(06-10-2011, 12:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

(06-10-2011, 07:49 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 12:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

elder race as in 150 entities harvested at the end of second cycle ?

(06-09-2011, 07:37 PM)vbaba Wrote: Thank you Ankh for a warm welcome. It is comforting you understand that we will walk together and form a Social Memory Complex after the Harvest. We will be born with a memory in Fourth Density so there will be all the time in the world to review and share our past lives. It is an eventuality that memories will fade - but nothing is lost forever.

There has been experiences where past-selves have communicated with this present self, showing us personalities we have been in the past - helping to guide this path while this self helps that self, teaching us of the eternal now and the unity of the Multidimensional Self. The realizations have brought profound appreciation for the One Infinite Creator, much joy in feeling and an increase in Awareness.

(06-10-2011, 10:02 AM)vbaba Wrote: We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Quote:We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

Quote:The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Quote:or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

Quote:we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

(06-09-2011, 09:15 PM)vbaba Wrote: The "Golden Ones" from Jupiter manifested the original Adamic Race humanoids, which began 75,000 years ago. Neptune improved the stock and seeded the "Blue Bodies" around 70,000 years ago. The Lemurians or the Mu Root Race was seeded by the Leganians of the Tiamot System 64,000 years ago as was the original Red Race approximately 59,000 years ago during the beginnings of the Atlantean Root Race. Those of Sirius installed the Black Race in Africa during that period. The Pleiades seeded the short and sturdy Yellow Race 36,000 years ago. They also seeded this current Aryan Root Race with the arrogant and ambitious Caucasians 11,600 years ago after Atlantis was inundated, then improved the stock with the Scandinavian approximately 6000 years ago. The Maldekians and those of Masar/Mars were brought to earth's etheric plane after they destroyed their home planets.

Perhaps it is not so bad to be a native earthling - to love our planet and Her history so much that we had no desire to take part in destroying the surface of our planet like those from other planets did, along with bringing their destructive technologies and self righteous attitudes with them to this innocent planet. That, to me, says something positive for the earthling!

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(06-10-2011, 11:28 AM)vbaba Wrote:

(06-08-2011, 05:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Well then you should be in contact with the folks at Antiquatis.org. They claim to be Elder Race as well.

Glad we satisfied curiosity and explored that website with obvious misinformation. The Human Cycle is 75,000 years and there has only been this one on this planet.

Quote: The Maldekians and those of Mars arrived here after they blew up their planet near the beginning of this 75,000 year cycle - not 500 million years ago.

Quote:The Maldekians incorporated into the Shumarian and the beginnings of the Jewish Race was formed. They are still with us.

Quote:this is just one paragraph of misinformation. Need we continue?

(06-10-2011, 09:08 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 07:49 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 12:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well Q'uo has confirmed they are from the Elder Race. Not sure if that means anything to you.

elder race as in 150 entities harvested at the end of second cycle ?

Yes.

(06-10-2011, 10:02 AM)vbaba Wrote: inconvenience or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

(06-10-2011, 01:52 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 10:02 AM)vbaba Wrote: inconvenience or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

wow. arian root race.

'root'

(06-09-2011, 09:15 PM)vbaba Wrote: Aryan Root Race

(06-10-2011, 02:06 PM)Raman Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race

It seems to me that Chief Little Summer (vbaba's mentor) had great influence from theosophy. I do not know much about it. Am I correct on this, vbaba?

Quote:The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

(06-11-2011, 07:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: a lot of stuff there contradict with what we know from Ra material.

talks about an 'atlantean' root race popping up circa 4,5 million years ago. 4,5 million years ago even maldek wasnt destroyed.

there's more nonsense :

Quote:The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

there are not only toltecs in 850,000 bc, but they practice black magic and cause downfall of atlantis civilization. (or its start).

maldek wasnt destroyed at this point, so even maldekians were not incarnating to higher ape bodies on this planet to balance their karma. so, there was no 3d vibrations as such on the planet, leave aside civilizations.

then it proceeds to link 'aryan' race with atlanteans and such. basically stringing a lot of elitist concepts into the same chain.

(06-11-2011, 09:40 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(06-11-2011, 07:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: a lot of stuff there contradict with what we know from Ra material.

talks about an 'atlantean' root race popping up circa 4,5 million years ago. 4,5 million years ago even maldek wasnt destroyed.

there's more nonsense :

Quote:The downfall of Atlantis started when some of the Toltecs began to practice black magic about 850,000 BC

there are not only toltecs in 850,000 bc, but they practice black magic and cause downfall of atlantis civilization. (or its start).

maldek wasnt destroyed at this point, so even maldekians were not incarnating to higher ape bodies on this planet to balance their karma. so, there was no 3d vibrations as such on the planet, leave aside civilizations.

then it proceeds to link 'aryan' race with atlanteans and such. basically stringing a lot of elitist concepts into the same chain.

The 3D "light", or vibrations, or consciousness might have started only 75 000 years ago on this planet, however the biological /physical beginning/development to the species homo sapiens sapiens started way earlier than that. The archeological findings related to human evolution are approximately 6-7 millions years old, where the line of archaic homo sapiens starts 500 000 years ago; and something interesting did happen about 4.4 - 4.9 millions years ago.

Just few links here, but you can google this information, there is loads of it on the internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

http://www.archaeology.org/0711/etc/lucy.html

http://archaeologyinfo.com/human-evolution-timeline/

(06-11-2011, 09:49 AM)unity100 Wrote: these are 2d bodies of higher apes, and these have no relevance to any 'race'.

leave that aside, the natural evolution of these bodies were disrupted by transfers from mars. the 'root race' nonsense doesnt even take that into account.

(06-12-2011, 10:59 AM)vbaba Wrote: What do YOU think 18.20 indicates?

(06-11-2011, 10:05 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(06-11-2011, 09:49 AM)unity100 Wrote: these are 2d bodies of higher apes, and these have no relevance to any 'race'.

leave that aside, the natural evolution of these bodies were disrupted by transfers from mars. the 'root race' nonsense doesnt even take that into account.

Is not our current body a 2D body as well?

What I meant is that probably the evolution of these different kind of "races" which can mean different kind of 2D bodies/physical vehicles was being prepared by natural (or unnatural=what's that?) means long before the 3D consciousness started to incarnate in them.

(06-11-2011, 10:05 AM)Ankh Wrote: Is not our current body a 2D body as well?

What I meant is that probably the evolution of these different kind of "races" which can mean different kind of 2D bodies/physical vehicles was being prepared by natural (or unnatural=what's that?) means long before the 3D consciousness started to incarnate in them.

(06-10-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 10:02 AM)vbaba Wrote: We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Q'uo is a principle channeled primarily by Carla, the channeler of the Ra material. The principle includes Ra, as well as two other social memory complexes from the confederation.

Quote:We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

So is the Ra material, despite the method and delivery. Q'uo is not channeled through trance, so the specificity of the information as well as the accuracy might fall behind Ra, but the clarity of Carla as a channel and the consistency of the information within the vast Q'uo databases rivals any other channeled material I've found.

Quote:The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Ra stated at the time of the Ra contact that inconveniences had already begun, so harvest without inconvenience would be impossible already:

14.27 Questioner: I assume that as the cycle ends and inconveniences occur, there will be some entities who start seeking or be catalyzed into seeking because of the trauma and will then hear your words telepathically or in written form such as this book. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct except in understanding that the inconveniences have begun.

Obviously, inconveniences continue and will continue until 3D is purged from the Earth, but the inconveniences are a reflection/expression of the purging rather than the source of the purging.

Also, information stated at the time of the Ra material regarding the future, whether in relation to harvest or otherwise, was probabilities. The probabilities have changed.

Quote:or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

What do you mean by this? Do you propose that karma automatically means something bad happens in repercussion to something bad done? Could you clarify how your view karma fits in with Ra's definitions:

17.20 Ra:...In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

Quote:we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

I'm not so sure that the higher self would prophesize anything. The purpose of the higher self is to "protect when possible and guide when asked." (Ra, 70.11) No doubt that trusting your higher self and establishing a working rapport is important in any spiritual work, but information regarding cataclysmic events, in my eyes, neither protects nor guides.

(06-10-2011, 05:15 PM)Azrael Wrote: The Root Races actually stem from Gnosticism. The Aryan Root Race is the 5th, that of the principle of Samael. I have a chart around here somewhere with the other Root races... the next is supposed to be the Khoradi, those with blue skin.

Theosophy is heavily laced with Gnostic principles I've found. The whole idea of the 7 Rays comes from this.

Quote:vbaba wrote
[....]We understand that these bodies are being manufactured on the Rings of Saturn. [...]

(06-12-2011, 11:44 AM)vbaba Wrote:

(06-10-2011, 11:56 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: [quote='vbaba' pid='42712' dateline='1307714535']
We are not familiar with Q'uo.

Q'uo is a principle channeled primarily by Carla, the channeler of the Ra material. The principle includes Ra, as well as two other social memory complexes from the confederation.

Quote:We understand the source of Q'uo is channeled material.

So is the Ra material, despite the method and delivery. Q'uo is not channeled through trance, so the specificity of the information as well as the accuracy might fall behind Ra, but the clarity of Carla as a channel and the consistency of the information within the vast Q'uo databases rivals any other channeled material I've found.

Quote:The few quotes of Q'uo we've read regarding the Harvest, we do not subscribe to that distortion of promoting a Harvest without inconvenience

Ra stated at the time of the Ra contact that inconveniences had already begun, so harvest without inconvenience would be impossible already:

14.27 Questioner: I assume that as the cycle ends and inconveniences occur, there will be some entities who start seeking or be catalyzed into seeking because of the trauma and will then hear your words telepathically or in written form such as this book. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct except in understanding that the inconveniences have begun.

Obviously, inconveniences continue and will continue until 3D is purged from the Earth, but the inconveniences are a reflection/expression of the purging rather than the source of the purging.

Also, information stated at the time of the Ra material regarding the future, whether in relation to harvest or otherwise, was probabilities. The probabilities have changed.

Quote:or the non-acceptance of the Karma involved which this Aryan Root Race will experience during its final days of Third Density.

What do you mean by this? Do you propose that karma automatically means something bad happens in repercussion to something bad done? Could you clarify how your view karma fits in with Ra's definitions:

17.20 Ra:...In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.

34.4 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define karma?
Ra: I am Ra. Our understanding of karma is that which may be called inertia. Those actions which are put into motion will continue using the ways of balancing until such time as the controlling or higher principle which you may liken unto your braking or stopping is invoked. This stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. These two concepts are inseparable.

Quote:we prefer to trust a direct connection with our best friend, our Higher Self. Establishing a working rapport with the Higher Self is of the upmost importance in 4D.

I'm not so sure that the higher self would prophesize anything. The purpose of the higher self is to "protect when possible and guide when asked." (Ra, 70.11) No doubt that trusting your higher self and establishing a working rapport is important in any spiritual work, but information regarding cataclysmic events, in my eyes, neither protects nor guides.

(06-10-2011, 05:15 PM)Azrael Wrote: The Root Races actually stem from Gnosticism. The Aryan Root Race is the 5th, that of the principle of Samael. I have a chart around here somewhere with the other Root races... the next is supposed to be the Khoradi, those with blue skin.

Theosophy is heavily laced with Gnostic principles I've found. The whole idea of the 7 Rays comes from this.

Quote:We understand that these bodies are being manufactured on the Rings of Saturn.

Quote:It is fascinating to study the variety of bodies that were manufactured for us to experience in the physical. The Lemurians were particularly interesting in that half of them had the plastic-like bodies and were some 60' tall while the other half were miniature. It was a world of contrasts! We understand the new 4D bodies will be similar to the Polynesian type bodies, although denser - approximately 150 pounds with black hair, brown skinned and brown eyes. The bodies will be compatible for the eternal Springtime the earth is soon to become.

(06-12-2011, 12:32 PM)Raman Wrote: vbaba: you are claiming to be elder race and such...questions are asked, it appears you are responding selectively. Honestly, you should put more effort and answer the questions asked since you are bringing up all this info about you, Harvest, etc.