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RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 10:35 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Really? You think Ra was speaking allegorically? I think they were being quite literal. The technology we possess is "capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues [our] social memory complex" but it is being withheld because of "the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy."
It is, of course, true, that each needs to choose. But Ra said that wanderers incarnated, in part, in order to increase leisure time (through technological means) in order that people could contemplate the Law of One in conscious fashion.
Maybe you think that was a misguided goal? (Unity100 often argued so.) But to say that the "craft" are allegory for self-development seems unsupported in the Ra material. The craft, or similar, are used by fourth- and early fifth-density entities that have not mastered travel by thought. They could be quite helpful here now.
The point being made is that using intelligent energy is reserved until spiritual advancement within the self is attained past a certain level - in that way it is a symbol. "To the disciplined entity, all things are open and free." If we want to take from the universe, we have to come into balance within ourselves.
Ra answers honestly, but doesn't always intend to lend opinion behind the answers. Don asked if free energy could solve our problems, and Ra said yes of course. Whether or not it is the actual answer is a different question. Ra continually stressed that we seek our evolution within.
We've been told Maldek, Mars, and Atlantis all destroyed themselves with various technology. Is our current civilization mature enough to handle such responsibility without perverting it? Clearly it's already being withheld for the purpose of perversion in the first place.
I have a hard time believing that if withholding it was such a detriment to our development (in other words, if it is the actual answer), the balance of positive and negative influences would have allowed it to slip out in some form.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:12 PM)Icaro Wrote: "To the disciplined entity, all things are open and free." If we want to take from the universe, we have to come into balance within ourselves.
That answer was in the context of the difference between "slingshot" travel and travel by thought. Ra said that fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density entities use "slingshot" travel until they develop the ability to travel by thought. Surely it's OK for third-density entities to use it, too? It seems like you're requiring greater discipline from third density than is required from fourth, fifth, or sixth.
(11-18-2011, 12:12 PM)Icaro Wrote: Is our current civilization mature enough to handle such responsibility without perverting it?
Who knows? Let's find out.
(11-18-2011, 12:12 PM)Icaro Wrote: I have a hard time believing that if withholding it was such a detriment to our development (in other words, if it is the actual answer), the balance of positive and negative influences would have allowed it to slip out in some form.
Maybe that's happening now. Ten years ago, not very many people had heard of Tesla. Now, it's much more common to see his name.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
Icaro Wrote:In the above, Ra is explicitly stating that free energy will not open the "gateways to evolution". In other words, it is not the answer to our problems, because the "roots of mind" are not ready for it.
Free energy is all a bunch of woo and tin-foil hat wearing new age hippies! How do I know? Because my physics professor told me so, and he is really smart! Plus I like to make fun of things I don't understand because that makes me feel more secure about myself.
βαθμιαίος Wrote:What about this quote, though, which suggests that it would be helpful for the social complex and for increasing the harvest if free energy were allowed to "open the gates to intelligent infinity," and that it's the use of Tesla-type technology for destructive purposes that causes the blockage?
But seriously, it sounds like a chicken/egg thing. The crux of the problem seems to be connected to humanity being in possession of technology that is not commensurate to the degree of spiritual awareness.
Certainly, our wholesale failure to appreciate the full potential of the torus (what? you mean model technology after nature?) is really something worth considering. I just can't seem to get myself to believe that this was merely "overlooked" all these years.
So I would say, open the gates first. But maybe videos like this are a manifestation of opening gates?
The value of viral videos like this is they can help to stimulate questioning and conversation. Mass consciousness "requires" that things like this be presented in a slick, polished form. If it doesn't look like a TV show, they will dismiss it out of hand. Also, if the host doesn't have enough "qualifications" it will be dismissed as well. In this case, Foster Gamble is descended from eugenecists, so he is "qualified" to speak on the topic. Otherwise, it would be relegated to the bin of "conspiracy theory" as "things like that don't happen anymore".
I mean... really people could be watching college football instead?!
Now... there are a few very shortcomings the presentation:
1. Little talk on the evolution of consciousness, or the link to technology.
2. No mention of religion as a primary control mechanism of the masses.
3. Promotes victim mentality. Yes... so humanity was manipulated by the ruling elite... but who is really responsible? The manipulators or the manipulated? The answer is both. But there is little talk of how humanity asked for cheap food, and then looked the other way as to how it was being produced. Or how Americans demanded cheap loans, and then took them even if they knew that couldn't pay them back.
4. No mention of anything subterranean with respect to the ET phenomenon.
EDIT: 5. No mention of ancient cultures which possessed advanced technologies.
So, either Foster is unaware of these things, or he chose not to speak about them. Either way, it is enough to warrant some real criticism. But not enough to dismiss the whole thing out of hand.
Also, might I mention again that there is a Fact Check section which outlines the sources for various statements made throughout the movie. So, perhaps it would be constructive for critics to argue against specific points, and demonstrate how the offered facts are wrong.
This might actually help to create some real value from this video, in contrast to bantering back and forth, as we are somewhat prone to do.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Namaste - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:12 PM)Icaro Wrote: I have a hard time believing that if withholding it was such a detriment to our development (in other words, if it is the actual answer), the balance of positive and negative influences would have allowed it to slip out in some form.
You might feel differently if you lived in a home, or even a slum, which did not have any power - no lighting or warmth.
Or if you were one of those exposed to the radiation from a disrupted nuclear reactor.
The other aspect is Gaia herself. A world of non explosive (polluting) energy (including nuclear), would be much healthier for the planet itself and all living beings upon it.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:25 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(11-17-2011, 07:25 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: In the above, Ra is explicitly stating that free energy will not open the "gateways to evolution". In other words, it is not the answer to our problems, because the "roots of mind" are not ready for it.
It was not me that wrote that. I was quoting Icaro.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:22 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: That answer was in the context of the difference between "slingshot" travel and travel by thought. Ra said that fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density entities use "slingshot" travel until they develop the ability to travel by thought. Surely it's OK for third-density entities to use it, too? It seems like you're requiring greater discipline from third density than is required from fourth, fifth, or sixth.
Ra's answers are always multi-layered with philosophy so we can discern the deeper the meaning. They weren't just replying to the answer asked, but giving us a spiritual framework in which we can progress our understanding of ourselves. I know you understand this.
I don't intend to imply greater discipline, but that we clearly have many unresolved issues within ourselves that need to be balanced first. A lot of people aren't even friendly to their own neighbors.
Quote:Who knows? Let's find out.
Let's use real world examples. What would Israel do to Iran with such technology?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: Ra's answers are always multi-layered with philosophy so we can discern the deeper the meaning. They weren't just replying to the answer asked, but giving us a spiritual framework in which we can progress our understanding of ourselves. I know you understand this.
I'm not disagreeing that the disciplines of the personality are the deeper path, just indicating that the technological short-cut might be useful here now.
(11-18-2011, 12:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: Let's use real world examples. What would Israel do to Iran with such technology?
Israel may already have such technology.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:27 PM)Namaste Wrote: You might feel differently if you lived in a home, or even a slum, which did not have any power - no lighting or warmth.
Withholding free energy doesn't prevent suffering from being alleviated through hard work and dedication.
I'm with you that clean energy is needed. The point is the majority don't even contribute 10% of their time and energy to resolving the situations out there. How many people are there that pay 80 dollars monthly towards a data plan for their cell phones? Is that money well spent? How many people could that feed?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
withholding free energy doesn't prevent suffering, what kinda language is that
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-17-2011, 07:25 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-17-2011, 03:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: In the above, Ra is explicitly stating that free energy will not open the "gateways to evolution". In other words, it is not the answer to our problems, because the "roots of mind" are not ready for it.
What about this quote, though, which suggests that it would be helpful for the social complex and for increasing the harvest if free energy were allowed to "open the gates to intelligent infinity," and that it's the use of Tesla-type technology for destructive purposes that causes the blockage?
Quote:8.2 Questioner: There was a portion of the material from yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your own people; some are of the group known to you as Orion.” My first question is what did you mean that some of the landings are of your peoples?
Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small.
I'd like to chime in on what I think this quote means.
I think Ra is saying here that the social memory complex is caught up in deceiving itself as a complex and therefore muddling up its ability, as a social memory complex, to, as they've described it, grasp and point the needle in a single direction.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
wut???
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:51 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'd like to chime in on what I think this quote means.
I think Ra is saying here that the social memory complex is caught up in deceiving itself as a complex and therefore muddling up its ability, as a social memory complex, to, as they've described it, grasp and point the needle in a single direction.
As I read it, the "This" that further muddles the vibratory nexus of our social memory complex is the fact that "these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use."
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:47 PM)Oceania Wrote: withholding free energy doesn't prevent suffering, what kinda language is that
But it doesn't. All problems can be solved if the energy spent into making our own lives comfortable was used to help others.
The modern middle class lifestyle is luxurious to a third world country and mirrors the dynamic imbalance between the middle class and 1%. Isn't it greedy that I have such comforts while others suffer?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:22 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Maybe that's happening now. Ten years ago, not very many people had heard of Tesla. Now, it's much more common to see his name.
This is one of those examples which makes it difficult for me to not get my gears grinded when people poo-poo "conspiracy theories". Tesla was obviously an important personage and a brilliant man. If not for him, we might have electricity but no way to distribute it. So... why is it that every children's science book mentions Edison and the light bulb, mentions Franklin and his kite, but doesn't mention Tesla?
I mean, really, is this just to be taken as coincidence? An unfortunate oversight?
This is the kind of thing which got me into conspiracy theories in the first place. It was severely disturbing to me that I had made it all the way to second-year university physics and still... NOBODY had taught me about Tesla? Really?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: A lot of people aren't even friendly to their own neighbors.
That is a fact. I always keep points like this in my mind. I think the videographer should as well, but instead they paint idealistic ideas about possible futures where everyone agrees.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This is one of those examples which makes it difficult for me to not get my gears grinded when people poo-poo "conspiracy theories". Tesla was obviously an important personage and a brilliant man. If not for him, we might have electricity but no way to distribute it. So... why is it that every children's science book mentions Edison and the light bulb, mentions Franklin and his kite, but doesn't mention Tesla?
I completely agree, and that's why it's been very encouraging to see that some of my children's science resources do mention, and even feature, Tesla. True, my children are home-schooled and their teacher (my wife) is somewhat eclectic (not to mention influenced moderately by the Ra material), but nonetheless the resources are out there to find now. I'm pretty sure they weren't when I was a kid.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 12:54 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-18-2011, 12:51 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'd like to chime in on what I think this quote means.
I think Ra is saying here that the social memory complex is caught up in deceiving itself as a complex and therefore muddling up its ability, as a social memory complex, to, as they've described it, grasp and point the needle in a single direction.
As I read it, the "This" that further muddles the vibratory nexus of our social memory complex is the fact that "these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use."
Right. That's what I'm saying. But what is that to the social memory complex as a whole? It represents a house divided, IMO. And I think that is what Ra elaborates on- the complex's ability.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Right. That's what I'm saying. But what is that to the social memory complex as a whole? It represents a house divided, IMO. And I think that is what Ra elaborates on- the complex's ability.
True.
Given that we have a house divided, do we try to unify the house or do we proceed as befits our part of it? I don't think we're likely to convince the powerful beings that withhold the technology to unite with us in service to others, but it may be possible to minimize their influence so that the rest of us can grasp the needle and point the compass.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:01 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: That is a fact. I always keep points like this in my mind. I think the videographer should as well, but instead they paint idealistic ideas about possible futures where everyone agrees.
It's true. Look at politics and how divided we are on social issues. There are many that think the poor are undeserving.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Right. That's what I'm saying. But what is that to the social memory complex as a whole? It represents a house divided, IMO. And I think that is what Ra elaborates on- the complex's ability.
True.
Given that we have a house divided, do we try to unify the house or do we proceed as befits our part of it? I don't think we're likely to convince the powerful beings that withhold the technology to unite with us in service to others, but it may be possible to minimize their influence so that the rest of us can grasp the needle and point the compass.
I vote for unify the house, but this is a social complex. My left eyeball doesn't tell my body what to do, it just plays its individual part and the whole that is my body ends up where it ends up. And here I am disagreeing with the very proposition of achieving unification by minimizing their influence. I support kind works. That is my contribution. I am not a persuasive mentality, therefore I don't desire to persuade.
IMO, Ra was just telling us how it is that our social memory complex isn't unified. They mentioned both Services in the same boat of "muddled"-ness. This film may cause another to love, but it also may cause some control issues. Either way, that is their choice. I particularly don't see that following this myself is a correct way to achieve.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Right. That's what I'm saying. But what is that to the social memory complex as a whole? It represents a house divided, IMO. And I think that is what Ra elaborates on- the complex's ability.
It does seem to relate to overall polarization.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:14 PM)Icaro Wrote: There are many that think the poor are undeserving.
For me, part of the difficulty is that most of the poor we talk about are poor... in America.
For the majority of humanity, an American "poor" person is filthy rich. They have more than enough money available for good, healthy food, clothing, and shelter. Yet it gets squandered on television, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, and processed junk foods. (Really? You get WIC coupons and purchase Coca-cola with them??)
Having seen first-hand what real poverty is like, I have a hard time feeling compassion for the majority of "poor" Americans. By "poor" I think we mean "ignorant" and so the solution should be information, and not money.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
When or if the social memory complex ceases deceiving itself from within, it can recognize its Self. Much in the same way it occurs in us individually. I think spreading awareness and promoting action are two different things. Meaning, now we are aware, lets be happy that we see. My personal view is that it would spread faster that way, to just acknowledge it as fact in our everyday life without putting an onus on everyone.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:15 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I vote for unify the house, but this is a social complex. My left eyeball doesn't tell my body what to do, it just plays its individual part and the whole that is my body ends up where it ends up. And here I am disagreeing with the very proposition of achieving unification by minimizing their influence. I support kind works. That is my contribution. I am not a persuasive mentality, therefore I don't desire to persuade.
IMO, Ra was just telling us how it is that our social memory complex isn't unified. They mentioned both Services in the same boat of "muddled"-ness. This film may cause another to love, but it also may cause some control issues. Either way, that is their choice. I particularly don't see that following this myself is a correct way to achieve.
The social complex, according to Ra, is soon to split in three ways, with positive fourth left here. I don't think it's inappropriate for positive fourth to begin its work already, and part of that work may be tapping the energy of the planetary sphere as Tesla did.
Minimizing the negative influence, in the current context, refers to their ability to withhold the technology.
I haven't watched the film, so I can't comment on it.
(11-18-2011, 01:15 PM)Icaro Wrote: It does seem to relate to overall polarization.
It's possible, even likely, I think, that attempting to release Tesla technology will be positively polarizing for those doing the attempting.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
what are you guys going on?
withholding something good is not good.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:23 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:15 PM)Icaro Wrote: It does seem to relate to overall polarization.
It's possible, even likely, I think, that attempting to release Tesla technology will be positively polarizing for those doing the attempting.
I pray everyone polarizes positively no matter what they endeavor.(11-18-2011, 01:26 PM)Oceania Wrote: what are you guys going on?
withholding something good is not good.
No it isn't good. It is muddling our society.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
At the risk of thread derailment, what if they want to polarize negatively or don't want to polarize?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:23 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Minimizing the negative influence, in the current context, refers to their ability to withhold the technology.
I've pondered much on this. It appears that, at the highest levels of conspiracy, are actually the light beings. From what I gather, the dark elements of humanity have been allowed to suppress certain technologies because humanity has not yet demonstrated that we are responsible enough to handle them. Maybe this has something to do with the convergence of the paths in 6D.
But on a more practical level, I am reminded of the recent foreign policy debate. In consideration of how many politicians (and the people they represent) feel that "We'll kill them before they kill us!" is an appropriate way to deal with terrorism and social conflict, perhaps it is best that we do not have free energy.
(11-18-2011, 01:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I completely agree, and that's why it's been very encouraging to see that some of my children's science resources do mention, and even feature, Tesla. True, my children are home-schooled and their teacher (my wife) is somewhat eclectic (not to mention influenced moderately by the Ra material), but nonetheless the resources are out there to find now. I'm pretty sure they weren't when I was a kid.
Who is the publisher of said resources? I would really be surprised if it were Houghton-Mifflin or McGraw-Hill or Macmillan. (Apparently, having an "M" name is what qualifies a company to publish textbooks for children.)
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:21 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: For me, part of the difficulty is that most of the poor we talk about are poor... in America.
For the majority of humanity, an American "poor" person is filthy rich. They have more than enough money available for good, healthy food, clothing, and shelter. Yet it gets squandered on television, alcohol, tobacco, lottery tickets, and processed junk foods. (Really? You get WIC coupons and purchase Coca-cola with them??)
Having seen first-hand what real poverty is like, I have a hard time feeling compassion for the majority of "poor" Americans. By "poor" I think we mean "ignorant" and so the solution should be information, and not money.
It certainly is a complex issue. I wouldn't call America's poor, rich. When you are in a place of no hope, you squander for pleasure in small doses.
There's no doubt that the third world faces different issues than the developed world, but we have to be careful not to induce separation. You're devaluing the conditions and stress placed on the minds of the poor in general, as if the 'developed' poor are "not poor enough".
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:30 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
At the risk of thread derailment, what if they want to polarize negatively or don't want to polarize?
They have my respect.