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RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:22 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: When or if the social memory complex ceases deceiving itself from within, it can recognize its Self.
This is the whole issue, and it's why some of us are growing rather tired of the same old story of projecting all problems outside of ourselves.
It's nice that these videos are inspiring, but how much more could be accomplished if we approach the issues honestly? I wish that when I started my seeking process, someone would have pushed me to look more within myself, rather than placing the blame on everyone else.
(11-18-2011, 01:23 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: It's possible, even likely, I think, that attempting to release Tesla technology will be positively polarizing for those doing the attempting.
It would all depend on their motivations I suppose.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:38 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:30 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:27 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:I pray everyone polarizes positively no matter what they endeavor.
At the risk of thread derailment, what if they want to polarize negatively or don't want to polarize?
They have my respect.
(I don't literally say prayers for that, btw)
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But on a more practical level, I am reminded of the recent foreign policy debate. In consideration of how many politicians (and the people they represent) feel that "We'll kill them before they kill us!" is an appropriate way to deal with terrorism and social conflict, perhaps it is best that we do not have free energy.
It's certainly safer, especially if the planet turns toward warfare. The upside is not as high and the downside is not as low.
(11-18-2011, 01:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Who is the publisher of said resources? I would really be surprised if it were Houghton-Mifflin or McGraw-Hill or Macmillan. (Apparently, having an "M" name is what qualifies a company to publish textbooks for children.)
I will see if I can find out and send you a PM.
(11-18-2011, 01:42 PM)Icaro Wrote: I wish that when I started my seeking process, someone would have pushed me to look more within myself, rather than placing the blame on everyone else.
Fair enough.
(11-18-2011, 01:42 PM)Icaro Wrote:(11-18-2011, 01:23 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: It's possible, even likely, I think, that attempting to release Tesla technology will be positively polarizing for those doing the attempting.
It would all depend on their motivations I suppose.
True.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:37 PM)Icaro Wrote: It certainly is a complex issue. I wouldn't call America's poor, rich.
In consideration that the average per capita yearly income of developing nations is $846, I would say yes, America's poor are rich by global standards. An American on welfare makes approximately six times this amount to sit around and watch Dr. Oz and Oprah.
Icaro Wrote:When you are in a place of no hope, you squander for pleasure in small doses.
This gets back to the ignorance issue. Hopelessness is a state of ignorance, as well as squandering resources and pleasure-seeking.
Icaro Wrote:There's no doubt that the third world faces different issues than the developed world, but we have to be careful not to induce separation.
Agreed. Though pointing out differences need not induce separation. This discussion is referring back to the distinction being drawn in America between the "haves" and "have-nots". I seek only to point out that, by global standards, the vast majority of Americans are actually the "haves".
I will press that Americans dividing themselves between the "haves" and "have-nots" must look pretty ridiculous to the 3.5 billion people who live on less than $2.50 a day.
Icaro Wrote:You're devaluing the conditions and stress placed on the minds of the poor in general, as if the 'developed' poor are "not poor enough".
No, I am actually making the opposite point. The 'undeveloped' poor are 'too poor' for me to place the concerns of an American who got a 120% mortgage on a home they couldn't afford in the first place at the top of my priority list. At least they had a home for a while.
"Conditions and stress" become valuable when they are used to induce change in one's awareness and behavior. If they fail to do so, the "conditions and stress" keep getting amplified until they serve their purpose, or the recipient croaks. This is what Ra refers to as "catalyst".
Personally speaking, I have spent the majority of my adult life at an income below the poverty threshold in America. Yet I still managed to feed, clothe, and house myself. Pay all my bills, including my debt obligations. And even take a few extended trips outside of the country.
Last year, we made six figures. But still our total monthly expenses (including running two businesses) are less than $2000 a month for two people. This is how living in "poverty" can be used creatively to improve one's lot in life.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Namaste - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:42 PM)Icaro Wrote: This is the whole issue, and it's why some of us are growing rather tired of the same old story of projecting all problems outside of ourselves.
It's nice that these videos are inspiring, but how much more could be accomplished if we approach the issues honestly? I wish that when I started my seeking process, someone would have pushed me to look more within myself, rather than placing the blame on everyone else.
It's a valid part of the process. In all of the spiritual awakenings I've watched around me, it has always started externally. Over time, people start to look inwardly.
For example, if you go up to someone unawakened and say "Do you realise your belief systems are part of the problem, your thoughts becomes things!", it's too much for them, they will ignore it and label you something unpleasant :¬)
The right video will find the right person at the right time. The same with friends, teachers, books and articles. Each will help the person discover more about themselves. It's the process of awakening to the Self, and it takes time, which is why it's a lifelong journey.
If a video helps spark that seeking, then it's been very worthwhile. If you (the royal you) personally find the video limiting or not useful, rather than getting disgruntled about it, let it go and invest your time in something you believe adds value.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
Can we analyze it too, Namaste? Cuz I really want to
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 02:15 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Can we analyze it too, Namaste? Cuz I really want to
How about you pick a topic from the Fact Check page and we'll see what comes out of such an analysis?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 02:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(11-18-2011, 02:15 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Can we analyze it too, Namaste? Cuz I really want to
How about you pick a topic from the Fact Check page and we'll see what comes out of such an analysis?
I'm more of a cinematography and philosophy critic. I'll take the facts at their word.
But okay. I thought the crop circle animations were spectacular.
But do you really think it is to teach us free energy? and why that method- crop circles?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 01:55 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: An American on welfare makes approximately six times this amount to sit around and watch Dr. Oz and Oprah.
But do they want to be sitting around? There aren't enough jobs to even provide for all the unemployed, which is a whole other discussion. Some do want to sit around, but going along with the ignorance issue, those people had uneducated and unmotivated parents.
Quote:I seek only to point out that, by global standards, the vast majority of Americans are actually the "haves".
I will press that Americans dividing themselves between the "haves" and "have-nots" must look pretty ridiculous to the 3.5 billion people who live on less than $2.50 a day.
Sure. No matter your level of poverty, it sucks regardless is my point. It's not as if they're living it up.
Quote:The 'undeveloped' poor are 'too poor' for me to place the concerns of an American who got a 120% mortgage on a home they couldn't afford in the first place at the top of my priority list. At least they had a home for a while.
"Conditions and stress" become valuable when they are used to induce change in one's awareness and behavior. If they fail to do so, the "conditions and stress" keep getting amplified until they serve their purpose, or the recipient croaks. This is what Ra refers to as "catalyst".
When I speak of the poor I refer to those who live in ghettos and projects, or small towns with no opportunity. If a person lived outside of their means then that is their fault, I agree.
Quote:Personally speaking, I have spent the majority of my adult life at an income below the poverty threshold in America. Yet I still managed to feed, clothe, and house myself. Pay all my bills, including my debt obligations. And even take a few extended trips outside of the country.
That's good, but in many areas the minimum wage isn't relative to the living wage needed to pull themselves out of being born into poverty. There are too many people competing for the number of jobs available. I think we agree on the main points, so this as far as I wish to go with this topic. I have a feeling it will go on and on.
(11-18-2011, 02:10 PM)Namaste Wrote: If a video helps spark that seeking, then it's been very worthwhile. If you (the royal you) personally find the video limiting or not useful, rather than getting disgruntled about it, let it go and invest your time in something you believe adds value.
I'm in agreement with your whole post philosophically speaking. The issue is not the video itself in the end.
As seekers, and most importantly teachers, we need to be stressing that which is ultimately the most important. If we are not the ones who will ask others to face the ultimate truth, who will? I don't mind the video, but I'm simply saying that more could be accomplished if a balanced perspective is offered. It's a critique.
We need to start advocating balance every step of the way. The "right time" can be accelerated if we provide an environment of honesty, rather than tip-toeing around the questions that really need to be asked.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 02:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: But do you really think it is to teach us free energy? and why that method- crop circles?
Crop circles are fascinating! What I got special joy from was watching the reaction of my partner, who finally got to see crop circles presented in a way which really challenged some notions about them all being created through known physical means. Previously, she was of one of those "Crop circles? Aren't they all hoaxes by drunken college boys?" opinions. She was both in awe and deeply humbled. She also apologized for her previous ridicule and other ignorant commentary. And it was especially humorous seeing as how she was the one who came across this video and wanted me to watch it. So I thank the Universe for that little Trojan-horse move there.
But beyond this, I think there are so many levels to the purposes behind crop circles. Free energy might be one of them. Certainly, if real scientists were willing to make an objective study aimed at how these things are actually created, it would turn up some new information. It is still shocking to me to observe the amount of aversion and denial that gets passed around academia regarding crop circles. If I had things my way, universities would be falling all over themselves to be the first to demonstrate the physical principles behind such a formation.
My instinct has always told me that actual energies creating these formations is being pulled up from the earth. Or maybe just capitalizing on the presence of some upward force that we have not yet discovered. Same goes for megalithic structures and the old "millions of slaves with pulleys and ropes" explanation. [Oh, that reminds me of a hole I didn't point out in my previous list of criticisms. There was a curious lack of any mention of cultures from the past who possessed advanced technologies.]
Then there is a level of personal meaning which I have come to ascribe to crop circles as well. On 29 July of this year (my birthday) I had a very strange experience, which I documented in How to Remove Negative Entities From Our Lives.
After the fact, I found that a crop circle had formed on that same day that seemed to precisely symbolize the experience I had!
What is more, a month later there was a discovery made of a "diamond planet". When I went to my astronomy software to see where this was in the sky, I was shocked to find that it is situated precisely at the joining of Ophiuchus and Serpens... and that the artistic rendition of the constellation again precisely matched what was portrayed in the crop circle! I documented this in Diamond Planet Discovered In Ophiuchus/Serpens.
What would you make of all this?
(11-18-2011, 02:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: But do they want to be sitting around?
Let me put it this way. I figure that whatever a person happens to be doing is a fairly accurate representation of what they are wanting.
Icaro Wrote:There aren't enough jobs to even provide for all the unemployed, which is a whole other discussion.
Yes, it is. I will only briefly say that I see a certain portion of the population which is essentially "unemployable" but yet are demanding jobs. I consider myself to be among the "unemployable" but realized that this meant I was responsible for creating my own "job".
People want a new reality, but are unwilling to let go of the programming which says that "everybody has a stable job working 40 hours a week with benefits". Maybe not everybody is in the place to make that shift at this exact nexus... BUT I believe there are enough people who CAN such that it would greatly alleviate this "lack of jobs" issue.
Icaro Wrote:Sure. No matter your level of poverty, it sucks regardless is my point. It's not as if they're living it up.
My point is that the experience of "suckiness" is part of what is contributing to the problem. If a poor person in America living on food stamps and welfare would simply contemplate how much more wealthy they actually are than half of the world's population, then their emotional vibration would rise. At least, they might be able to move out of hopelessness.
The result would be an attraction of more wealth. At which point they would feel joy and the increase in their emotional vibration would rise and attract more wealth. And so on.
Icaro Wrote:When I speak of the poor I refer to those who live in ghettos and projects, or small towns with no opportunity. If a person lived outside of their means then that is their fault, I agree.
Gotcha. Well then we are basically saying the same thing.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:This is one of those examples which makes it difficult for me to not get my gears grinded when people poo-poo "conspiracy theories". Tesla was obviously an important personage and a brilliant man. If not for him, we might have electricity but no way to distribute it. So... why is it that every children's science book mentions Edison and the light bulb, mentions Franklin and his kite, but doesn't mention Tesla?
I mean, really, is this just to be taken as coincidence? An unfortunate oversight?
This is the kind of thing which got me into conspiracy theories in the first place. It was severely disturbing to me that I had made it all the way to second-year university physics and still... NOBODY had taught me about Tesla? Really?
Actually now that I've pondered this a bit more, I realize that it is precisely the references from the Ra material which prompted me to look more deeply into Tesla in the first place!
This is what eventually led me to end up buried in the stacks of the graduate library esoteric/occult section reading about all these ideas from the late 19th century which appeared to have been selectively edited out of the textbooks!
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
(11-18-2011, 02:57 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(11-18-2011, 02:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: But do you really think it is to teach us free energy? and why that method- crop circles?
Crop circles are fascinating! What I got special joy from was watching the reaction of my partner, who finally got to see crop circles presented in a way which really challenged some notions about them all being created through known physical means. Previously, she was of one of those "Crop circles? Aren't they all hoaxes by drunken college boys?" opinions. She was both in awe and deeply humbled. She also apologized for her previous ridicule and other ignorant commentary. And it was especially humorous seeing as how she was the one who came across this video and wanted me to watch it. So I thank the Universe for that little Trojan-horse move there.
LOL. I was dancing around the house telling my wife I was going to make her watch this movie. Hahahaha. But then I got to the rest of it
The last link was canceled. Is it still available?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Namaste - 11-18-2011
Quote:Crop circles are fascinating! ... And it was especially humorous seeing as how she was the one who came across this video and wanted me to watch it. So I thank the Universe for that little Trojan-horse move there.
LOL!
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4uarO3EYEc
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
So, I forced the wife to watch my favorite first 30.
Hehehe. I told I didn't like the rest but if she's interested I'd be happy if she watched.
Hehehe. She's still watching
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
i'd let her watch the rest and make up her own mind Monkey. maybe she'll like it!
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
Of course, ocean. I'm not controlling. By "force", that's really husband speak for "begged"
She turned it off for the Fringe Finale though. I say "Finale??!!"
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
yeah of course! TV comes first.
except for talent shows.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-18-2011
But why is it finale???
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-18-2011
hmm. i dunno.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zenmaster - 11-19-2011
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Zen, with all due respect, in your path of balancing and evolution you seem (from what I've seen of you on this forum, which of course is not the entire picture) to view anyone who tries to offer something inspirational and educational (let's not forget the masses are awfully uneducated and programmed not to think) with any hint of positive spirituality (love, peace, unity) as of little, or zero worth.
I'll bite. What exactly is the educational value in this material?
Also, what someone may or may not be inspired by is up to them, not someone who may or may not be attempting to inspire. You can't say you devalue someone's attempt to be inspired by something. Do you not see that?
What does love, peace and unity have to do with it? Seriously. If that is what you are claiming is being offered, then you must apply that to everything offered, of course. What is not spiritual.
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: What the Bleep and Zeitgeist have helped awaken a lot of people (I know this from personal experience). As will Thrive. Ra's own words were to the effect that even if they helped one person, their mission was accomplished. It has been of benefit.
Do you think your "help" idea could be applied to every single thing anyone could offer anyone else, regardless of what that was? The answer is yes. And therefore, it is quite meaningless. Because anyone can find something that helped in something sold to them.
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Many - many - people are not able to think for themselves as easily as others due to the limiting environment they were brought up in. That's the nature of third density. Reaching those people is not the same as reaching someone as yourself (with the education and intellectual development in which to digest and understand the Ra Material). It requires information that uses the lowest common denominator, easy to consume, and not too much in one go. If Thrive makes some people think "hang on, this is interesting, what else can I find out?", or "free energy, I had no idea!", it's been worth it. It's helping another seek the Self and open the mind. They then begin to think for themselves.
Look, the teachers have a responsibility of honesty - "not teaching what their learning - do themselves and other little good". What is conducive to "distortions of distraction, anonymity, and sleep" to me is not "help" - sorry. If you think this somehow "helps" them to think for themselves, then we disagree. I believe it does not accomplish that. Now I see why you are defending it in such a manner, raising it up to the status of a "bridge of transcendence". It's a frigging children's story with the same, tired, re-hashed themes. It's not a Socratic dialog. It's not a lesson from wisdom. It's a collection of over-reaching notions which happen to merely touch upon certain themes which some in society has perceived may lead to something important (uh, we all want free energy, but are not willing to invent it but rather be parasites of entitlement or, as Ra says "hitchhikers"). What exactly is it which is offered of practical use or instruction? What are the particular insights which takes one from their current condition to a more conscious condition? Or, what is the "education" you say is being provided? Truly?
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: If it wasn't for people following their heart and trying to help other people to awaken to a greater picture, humanity would not get anywhere. Looking at the situation and saying "Well, it's all catalyst and symbols, all is learning, I'll just leave it as that" is not helpful. In fact there would be no point in Wanderers even incarnating if that was the adopted attitude.But who is actually saying that. That's right, no one is. You, of course, have zero inclination of another's attitude.
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Wanderers are here to help others and this planet.That's nice.
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Whether that's through science or spirituality is negligible, as each will attract certain types of people at varying levels of spiritual, emotional and intellectual understanding. To judge the efforts of these people in a negative fashion not only polarises in one direction (and it's certainly not acceptance; love), it also misses the point of being of service to others, consciously responding to the call of Earth (to the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow).Negative polarization is an orientation of control, dominance, creation of confusion, and expoitation to achieve same. Your idea of "negative" is merely that which conflicts with what you want to see. Your idea of "service to others", is merely that which you want to see. Is there actually any polarity involved? I don't see it expressed in this particular material being sold.
(11-18-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Yes, it is all symbols and reflections. Yes, it is all catalyst, and yes, it is all meaningless until we give it meaning. Reaching that point of understanding means one has far transcended the normal level of education and understanding. It takes time to get to that level, and only a small spark is needed to start that process. That spark is often videos like Thrive and What the Bleep. They open the door. They get people thinking.They get people thinking about someone else's agenda. Promotion of the untentable (but powerfully resonating) with subtle attachments to this agenda. I'd say the ideas presented are far more separative, misleading, muddling, and strongly reductionistic. That is a "negative" offering, if anything - because it connects to nothing viable and it keeps the energy focused on others as the problem makers for society. It is the same perpetuation of ignorance, a distraction of entertainment, touted as a "wake-up call". How can you not see that?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-19-2011
Zenmaster, I agree with your assessment of what the film is in all it's honest reality. It is a fair and balanced and focused assessment.
Namaste, I see that the film demonstrates ideas that have become "true" for most of us. It is an opportunity to show others who haven't been interested in what we have been reading about. It's similar to a novel being made into a movie and we get to share it visually with others. It is quite nice in that respect. It broadens our base of "friends", which can create a hopeful idea. ...
... And we could break down hope and discover a lack of value in that as well, but let's not do that please
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - yossarian - 11-19-2011
The video is offering a new view of reality, a new world view.
It's offering a new unifying philosophy of life.
It's offering a new metaphysical basis for spirituality.
It's offering a basic explanation for the widespread perception that humanity can't seem to get ahead despite being so inventive and technologically advanced. People are confused. They want to understand their world. They want a better world. They want to unite around a vision of the future.
It's offering a positive vision of a new earth, a harmonious and happy earth, in contrast the muddled, foggy, or just plain terrifying future-visions that many have.
THRIVE movie is directly aimed at people who are still stuck in the materialism game, people who still basically believe the mainstream media narrative of the world and the materialistic/scientism view of reality. It's offering a dip into the ocean of a greater reality. An expanded view.
I do not believe the movie has much deep material to offer people who already have the Ra material and who find the Ra view of reality compelling.
But the movie is not aimed at Ra lovers. It's aimed at Normal Folk who are starting to wake up. It's a first step. The hook is the more unifying and accurate world view. A world view that recognizes that democracy is subverted and the world is ruled by a financial elite. A world view that recognizes the validity of the spirit. A world view that believes and makes an argument that a better world is possible, a world 100X more harmonious than our world.
All of these things are very valuable and for many are first steps toward spiritual awakening and embracing freedom and destiny.
I agree that people must ultimately leave the victim state and stop looking to external reality for fulfillment or salvation. But life is a game of snakes and ladders. And Thrive is a Ladder for many.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-19-2011
Quote:My instinct has always told me that actual energies creating these formations is being pulled up from the earth. Or maybe just capitalizing on the presence of some upward force that we have not yet discovered. Same goes for megalithic structures and the old "millions of slaves with pulleys and ropes" explanation. [Oh, that reminds me of a hole I didn't point out in my previous list of criticisms. There was a curious lack of any mention of cultures from the past who possessed advanced technologies.]
Interesting. My instincts were similar, but instead coming from earth and going out, I got the feeling is was coming from out and entering into the earth.
I don't know.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - yossarian - 11-19-2011
the energy flows from the galactic center, is absorbed by the sun, then radiated to the earth, absorbed by the earth, then radiated to humans, absorbed by humans
thats how i see it
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-19-2011
i liked the movie, i dunno why y'all didn't. it wasn't as depressing as the Ra material if you think about it, which is about evil alien entities and stuff. this was just about politicians. psh.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-19-2011
First of all. The book is always better than the movie.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-19-2011
bah, not always. Stephen King's IT spins to mind.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 02:25 AM)zenmaster Wrote: (uh, we all want free energy, but are not willing to invent it but rather be parasites of entitlement or, as Ra says "hitchhikers").
How can you not see this... people HAVE been willing to invent free energy. And they have been shut down and/or murdered in every case. Ever heard of Eugene Mallove?
Who are you helping by railing against any and all attempts to talk about these things? Maybe I am mischaracterizing your view, but it seems to me that anything which smacks of "conspiracy theory" or "fringe science" is not worth exploring or discussing, according to you. I have pointed to this several times in multiple threads, and you have not responded.
For example, when I offered continued responses to your posts on Spiral Dynamics here and here in Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking which relate to this discussion. These links are reference for others because I am not going to take the time to recapitulate the ideas again, and it would appear you have deemed them unworthy of a response.
I also referenced multiple times the irony of your claiming that everything Foster Gamble has to say is bunk, while he specifically promotes the views of Ken Wilbur and Spiral Dynamics... both of which you seem to be strongly in support of. You have failed to respond to this as well.
Since free energy is where "conspiracy theory" and "fringe science" meet, I can see why you might refuse to engage in any sort of real discussion about the possibility... instead you are spreading the seeds of separation by portraying yourself as intellectually superior to anybody else who wants to discuss these things.
I've also asked this question before... Are you a physicist or psychologist? Do you have any scientific training? Are you Ken Wilbur or Nassim Haramein? What is it that- in your mind- qualifies you to speak authoritatively on this topic?
Again... maybe I am wrong... in which case please state your view on free energy? Is it possible? If so, what would you think is the most effective way of developing such a technology?
The value of any of these types of viral videos and movies is that it allows the viewer a glimpse into a slice of reality that they would not otherwise see. Why is this? Because the media won't show them. Their teachers won't show them. Their pastors won't show them. And so on.
It offers them a view into what life might be like as viewed from a "higher meme" according to the system of Spiral Dynamics, which you so strongly favor. This is the value, and your failure to acknowledge it is both shocking and disturbing.
You appear to be perturbed by all the amount of pseudo-science that gets passed around the Internet... well... maybe if real scientists took any of these things seriously and investigated them rather than mocking them, then laypeople wouldn't feel so compelled to take matter into their own hands.
As far as impact or "polarization" goes, I think the answer is obvious. If somebody is in the "sinkhole of indifference" a video like this might be enough to jar them out of comfortable numbness. What do you care, anyway? Who are you trying to protect? If these things really have little to no impact, as you say, then who gives a rats-ass one way or another?
Claiming that videos like this don't have any impact, while arguing against several people in this thread who directly state that it actually did have an impact on them seems like flat-out denial to me.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-19-2011
*hugs* Tenet, breathe.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 12:23 PM)Oceania Wrote: *hugs* Tenet, breathe.
No worries, Oceania! My words might appear angrier than they really are. I am just pressing the issue. Hopefully, my post won't get buried in banter yet again. I can't tell if they are being willfully ignored, or just lost in the fray.