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RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Avocado - 10-05-2012
(10-03-2012, 10:52 AM)godwide_void Wrote: Whether you're exploring the mind or exploring the heart, you're still sailing out into the oceans of the soul.that is beautiful
(10-03-2012, 10:52 AM)godwide_void Wrote: I've heard of that African root but have seen it being called Silene Capensis instead if I remember correctly. Unfortunately I haven't worked with it yet but I'm aware that it's considered supreme for dreamwork. How do you usually take it and how would you compare it to Calea Zacatechichi? How long have you been working with Calea also and what impact has it been having on your dreamscapes?Yes Silene Capensis is what is commonly called African Dream herb/root but synaptolepis kirkii is entirely different. It's shaped like a potato! I found this story interesting. Someone on the dmt nexus was having conversations with the spirit.
I started drinking Calea around Christmas 11' and Kirkii in the following months. Calea actually hasn't had much of an impact in my dreams. I tend to get nightmares with it but I welcome the catalyst. Kirkii sometimes gives an otherwordly feeling to my dreams or makes them a bit psychedelic. I once was a commander of a futuristic army and retreated to my bunker before it turned into one of those beads on wires child's toy contraptions, in which I was delightfully playing on in a psychedelic fashion. My dream changed from violent to child-like play. Another dream totally changed half way through and I suddenly realized this other being was in control. In a way if felt like a salvia experience I had. I like both herbs but prefer kirkii because of the consistently bizarre dreams. Sometimes I perceive no impact on dreamscapes from either herb however. What about you? How have your dream been impacted by calea?
(10-03-2012, 10:52 AM)godwide_void Wrote: Also, since I'm sure you're all too familiar with the ultra bitterness of Calea tea, I'd like to pass along a recipe to you that I personally devised that not only masks the taste but makes it very sweet and pleasurable to drink!lol yes shuddering in disgust is exactly how I feel. If you can get this to taste good then I can confidently say anything is possible.
- Empty out half of a peach teabag, add calea leaves and boil in pot
- The most important ingredient! Add peppermint chamomile teabag to the pot
- Optional, but you can also add saffron teabag
- After the tea's been made and served, add milk and a fair bit of sugar
- Voila! The bitterness is extremely diluted thanks to the milk and the peppermint flavoring guarantees you won't be shuddering in disgust everytime you sip!The slight peach and the saffron also contribute to giving the tea a bold and sweet flavor, and only a very small residual bitterness will linger but fortunately it is mostly lacking.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Zachary - 10-10-2012
(10-03-2012, 10:52 AM)godwide_void Wrote: As for LSD I have tried it a handful of times and the experience to me really struck me as being very "digital" as opposed to LSA which has a very spiritual air to the experience. For instance, during one powerful experience on several potent blotters I felt as though I'd "accessed the consciousness debugging mode" and I'd felt like a "reality hacker".
*Epic Voice*
Godwide_Void:
THE REALITY HACKERRR
hehe
interesting post, thanks for sharing
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - godwide_void - 10-12-2012
(10-03-2012, 03:01 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Thanks for the advice I will have to try that when mushroom season hits, I agree about LSD it does have a very digital feeling to it. I have tried the lemon tekking although it was with a smaller dose of mushrooms probably only 1-2 grams which hardly effects me at all it seams. I seam to have a very weird tolerance to mushrooms, I pick them all myself and usually ingest them the day I pick them so I'am not sure why in the past I have gotten very weak trips of 6+ grams.
You're lucky to live in an area where you have the opportunity to go pick them! The lack of intensity from your experiences might be explained by the fact that you're eating fresh mushrooms as opposed to dried. If I remember correctly you need double or triple the amount in grams of fresh mushrooms to dry mushrooms to achieve the same effects. Try drying them out first then lemon tekking the dried 3-5g, the latter of which is actually considered a 'heroic' dose.
@Avocado: Many thanks for bringing the synaptolepis kirkii to my attention, I'd actually never heard of it before and also find the write up of that guy's experience with it very interesting as is the description of one of your dreams affected by it. I will most definitely be ordering this and giving it a try when I get the chance as any key which holds the potential to unlock the doors to more profound and possibly divinatory dreamscapes is certainly worth looking into.
As for how calea has impacted my dreaming, it actually varies in that some nights the typical reported effects it is supposed to have occur such as a 'linearization' of dreams rather than disconnected or interrupted transitions from dream to dream, a much greater recall of dreams (upwards of 5+ dreams on the high end), a more vivid and sharpened appearance to the dreams and a noticeably more 'weirder' slant to the plots of my dreams.
Strangely enough, there are some nights after I ingest the calea that I do not remember any dreams, but the nights following ingestion where I do not drink any will produce the amplified dream benefits. The upside to this is that the positive benefits derived from calea actually linger and will be sustained for longer proportionate to how long you use it. A month of calea usage ended up in the clarity and vividness of my dreamscape awareness remaining.
Smoking the herb has its benefits as well and the effects manifest as an extreme sharpening of the senses; my perception of time slows down, my vision becomes sharper, my hearing becomes so acute that I can hear each and every heartbeat of mine, and the mind becomes peacefully emptied out. It seems that while it's primarily attributed to being an oneirogen, it does have waking effects that contribute greatly to relaxation, meditation and perceptual clarity.
(10-10-2012, 11:34 AM)Zachary Wrote:(10-03-2012, 10:52 AM)godwide_void Wrote: As for LSD I have tried it a handful of times and the experience to me really struck me as being very "digital" as opposed to LSA which has a very spiritual air to the experience. For instance, during one powerful experience on several potent blotters I felt as though I'd "accessed the consciousness debugging mode" and I'd felt like a "reality hacker".
*Epic Voice*
Godwide_Void:
THE REALITY HACKERRR
hehe
interesting post, thanks for sharing
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Magic mushrooms and cancer: My magical mystery cure? - Eddie - 10-21-2012
Interesting article in the Independent (UK):
Magic Mushrooms: My Magical Mystery Cure?
RE: Magic mushrooms and cancer: My magical mystery cure? - Edinburgh - 01-07-2013
(10-21-2012, 09:10 AM)Eddie Wrote: Interesting article in the Independent (UK):
Magic Mushrooms: My Magical Mystery Cure?
That's a great well written article. Just goes to show how helpful and cathartic these entheogen based experiences can be.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - caycegal - 01-07-2013
It's not a matter of morality. You can take an airplane and visit Costa Rica. Or you can learn to fly yourself and go there whenever you want on your own power. Sooner or later many of us decide we want to learn to fly.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Edinburgh - 01-07-2013
Absolutely. I agree, its not a moral question.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Monica - 03-28-2013
fyi, interesting
http://jonathanevatt.com/site/warning-dark-side-ayahusaca-1390/
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 05-10-2013
I would like to happily report my first experience with DMT, I am officially a psychonaut (in my book anyways
), having never taken anything remotely like it. I was very, very specific in having an experience in DMT or ayahuasca before I ever remotely considered something like mushrooms or LSD. I had a glorious 3 - 5 minute experience which was not visual/'hallucinogenic', but gave me an extremely intense feeling of 'connectedness'. My intentions are almost entirely spiritual as I wanted/want to see life without the veil. I had a very intellectual/contemplative experience, which coincides with my "Intelligence" biorhythm being at 98% today. I wonder if the varying experience people have with these entheogens is any way governed by where you are in your various biorhythm cycles? If nobody has tested this, I will be doing my own experiments with it by waiting until my "adept" and "emotional" cycles are at a peak, as they are in deficit today.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - GentleReckoning - 05-10-2013
Was there any time dilation? I would think that 3-5 minutes would be a very small amount of time to ponder.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Aureus - 05-10-2013
I tried extasy for the first time a few days ago. I did 4x the dose that erowid considers strong(250mg). So 1000mg.
All the darkness went away, it was like being of 100% positive polarity.. My mind was so expanded, and through me, like a torrent was unconditional love just flowing.. Without any discernment, because in me I had no feelings of separation anymore, none. So much energy just surging through me. I am going to try it again, and that time I will have written down certain tasks, things to try with the energy I will posess, like creating life with only my heart chakra, forming clouds, seeing my chakras etc.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Hototo - 05-10-2013
(05-10-2013, 07:09 AM)Aureus Wrote: I tried extasy for the first time a few days ago. I did 4x the dose that erowid considers strong(250mg). So 1000mg.
All the darkness went away, it was like being of 100% positive polarity.. My mind was so expanded, and through me, like a torrent was unconditional love just flowing.. Without any discernment, because in me I had no feelings of separation anymore, none. So much energy just surging through me. I am going to try it again, and that time I will have written down certain tasks, things to try with the energy I will posess, like creating life with only my heart chakra, forming clouds, seeing my chakras etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rClJVnIY6Ic
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 05-10-2013
(05-10-2013, 01:47 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Was there any time dilation? I would think that 3-5 minutes would be a very small amount of time to ponder.
I did experience a small amount of time dilation, although it wasn't until after that I realized what it was. I was enjoying watching the dog run around happily in the backyard and noticed his fur looked different. I had to study him for a moment before I realized I could see each individual hair when he was running, there was no motion blur. Next time, I'm hoping there is a humming bird or a bee/wasp flying around in the back yard so I can see it's wings beat.
Plus I experienced a 'partial-trip'/comedown period of around an hour, so a lot of the contemplative was during that.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 05-24-2013
I had my first experience with oral DMT + a natural MAO Inhibbitor Syrian Rue yesterday. Foolishly, I took 3-4 times my previous dosage since it was suggested on some random forum.
For a short time, the high set in and I had a beautiful experience. I felt as though I could float or fly. Gravity seemed like an alien concept to me. I felt so fantastic and spiritual that I wished it would last 5 hours. It certainly did, because the trip surged even further around 10 minutes later to the point it started turning bad. I started to think I might be dying, so I dialed 911.
By the time they got there, I was convinced I was dying or already dead, in the life review process. By the time the ambulance was leaving, I couldn't feel a pulse on my wrist. I thought the ambulance would be my chariot/Great Way of the Spirit, so I asked the ambulance driver if I had died.
At this point I started having a truly spiritual experience, the ambulance driver's speech patterns changed. It was the same voice but a completely alien persona. I begged him to help me get the powerful brew out of my stomach which he replied matter of fact "you have no stomach". He told me I had indeed, died. My pulse seemed to drop to none, I couldn't feel it on my wrist anymore. I heard a disembodied angelic voice 'sing' my first and last name, my DOB, and my death date, May 23rd 2013. I asked if I could go back? He said maybe.
By the time I got to the hospital, the effects were even more strong. There were different medical professionals there, but there was 'someone else' layered over each 3D entity. I theorize it was perception of their higher selves or perhaps some portion of my guidance system was finally rendering some kind of tangible assistance for the situation.
By this time, my mother had showed up to the hospital. Except it wasn't her, it was my higher self/holy spirit. It was just my mother but also this angel/guide/extra dimensional being overlaid over her. This persona was a much more commanding personality, yet it was the kindest soul I have ever met. The other extra dimensional entities were only vaguely responsive.
She said she could help bring me back, since I didn't want to leave yet. Right at this point the trip must have hit it's crescendo. It was like the hospital room was overlayed with another reality, one which featured another, somehow different hospital room. I asked if my moving my arms and legs and breathing was an illusion, and I was laying dead in the gurney, which was replied with my main guide with a 'yes'. All the medical staff watching me started shaking their heads and unplugging the machines from me. They started leaving the room and started treating me like a dead body. I started asking them if I was still alive and nobody even flinched at my question and flailing arms and legs.
This was the point where a new person came in and told me that 'sorry, we couldn't save your body'. After this, it becomes a bit fuzzy, but I remember speaking with a whole group of several extra dimensional entities for 5-10 minutes 'time'. I also vaguely remember angelic singing, people saying very, very spiritual things which are essentially ineffable. Later, my mother said I was completely incoherent for about an hour.
All of a sudden someone said "you are alive, you are breathing".
Around this time I felt myself start to come down. Within 3-4 hours, I was much more coherent and could focus reasonably well. They kept me overnight for observation and I feel fantastic today, no side effects.
Disclaimer: I am not encouraging anyone to try a dose my size or the use of DMT in general. I am merely warning anyone that insists on looking past all the risks involved be extremely cautious and start small when ingesting orally with an MAOI.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - xise - 05-24-2013
Parsons where was your sober, good vibe sitter!! Without a sitter always take gradual increases in doses over several trips!
I'm glad it turned out ok (there are no mistakes right
). But just for anyone considering the same, in California the paramedics would have likely had the police with them and they would have charged you with a misdemeanor under the influence of a controlled substance (as well as taking a blood sample at the hospital). It's probably similar in other states! As far as actual consequence, for a first time offense its 1.5-3 yrs of probation and a 16 week drug class and it comes off your record for most purposes. 2nd offense is 90 days jail or residential rehab tho!
That being said, I think out of thousands of cases over a few years I maybe saw one shroom/lsd under the influence charge. The cases involving police getting involved on 911/paramedic calls were for meth or heroin.
Be careful when you have those journeys!! But I'm happy you had a good time
Sounds fucking amazing man. I hope to get a chance to try that out sometime.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 05-24-2013
Yeah I feel lucky except for the hospital bill... It was an amazing experience and totally worth it. I have NEVER EVER directly spoke with my guides or angels or anything like that.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - GentleReckoning - 05-25-2013
Sounds wild. I would have been pretty hesitant to do that solo. o.o
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Hototo - 05-25-2013
What you experienced has roughly a 80-100% overlap with what I experienced on DMt, with the exception that I at no time believed I was dead, only that I might lose my control over my own body and that I had not died and had no intent to commit suicide, but the same feeling was and events were generally there.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 11-23-2015
Bump.
I was just revisiting my experience with DMT. The post on 5/24/13 was the most detailed description of the trip. I forgot like half of what I experienced. I have not used any entheogens since then per my promise to my wife. I would still be open to doing so but would have to be extremely cautious due to my panic/anxiety issues I have developed since then.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - The_Tired_Philosopher - 11-24-2015
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Woah.
Do want. Even the dying part sounds intensely invigorating. Would you say...if you even remember lol...would you say you were experiencing multiple layers of realities at once? Sounds like you were going through the whole spectrum of most apparents maybe? ...I think you're the one in AZ too, the paramedics didn't bring in the police for you?? Its my understanding the Phoenix area is pretty rough Police-wise with the drugged people even in hospitals. I'm in Chandler, I only have hearsay to go off of.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 11-24-2015
I don't think the hospital could prove anything even if they would have called the cops. I told them I took DMT + Syrian Rue and they couldn't find anything in my system whatsoever. I have no clue of the legality of the situation and (disclaimer) I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal. But I did tell them I bought both components to my 'pharmahuasca' brew on Amazon, which is half true. You can buy both the ayahuasca vine and Syrian Rue on Amazon legally.
As for the different levels of reality, yeah I would say I was tapping into a higher level of reality for a relatively brief amount of time. It seemed to be almost exclusively auditory interaction with other entities. I even think at one point I had negative entities trying to f*** with me. I remember clearly shortly after the ambulance picked me up, I had an entity randomly tell me one of my tatoos was Satanic and something to the effect that it meant my soul was bound to Satan or some such nonsense.
I didn't even believe it at the time despite my state of mental/emotional crisis.Ayahuasca is nicknamed the 'death vine' for good reason. Many people who take a higher dosage go through the sensation of dying. I can tell you when the trip started going south, the actual sensation was the most unpleasant thing I've ever experienced in my whole life (even considering severe panic attacks and a motorcycle accident that shattered my leg and nearly killed me). I still very much value the overall experience, but I never want to experience that sensation ever again.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - The_Tired_Philosopher - 11-24-2015
Yeah? I only just recently experienced getting sick from drinking too much, that felt pretty crappy as was, but...worse than a near death motorcycle accident (which I imagine hurt...)...
Haha
Hah
How'd you manage??
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Aion - 11-24-2015
I've died on psychedelics a handful of times, it's fun stuff. I eventually realized I'm always dead so I stopped dying after that. The lessons that I always learn every time I use psychedelics tends to be 'Oh, I don't actually need this.'
I've never had any 'contacts' on psychedelics although I have encountered 'myself' in various forms. That being said, I've always felt I can make contact anyways, so maybe that's why. The feeling of death can sure be terrifying especially when you are resisting it. My very first LSD experience was an intense experience and at the end I 'died' and it was very unpleasant while I fought it and then eventually I just let myself go, I gave in, and I fell in to an Infinite Void as nothing but awareness in nothingness. Eventually I realized my awareness wasn't going away, even after every other layer of my being had dissolved away.
I learned then that the Void is Aware in all directions and it is the silent observer which dwells at the heart of All.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Minyatur - 11-24-2015
'Oh, I don't actually need this.'
Getting this each time, but without psychedelics it feels like nothing is happening within through time so i tend to think otherwise.
Never had death experience, was offered the opportunity to leave this matrix which I denied maybe 2 or 3 times and am waiting for the next opportunity to see how I'll now feel about it.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Aion - 11-24-2015
That's because psychedelics are like a microscope which lets you 'zoom in' on these processes. I assure you, reality is as every bit psychedelic normally as when ingesting, we just aren't focused on it the same.
I think this becomes more a case of desiring entertaining or profound experiences. How many delve in to drugs to expand or contract their worlds? This is because the idea of an 'unreal' experience is seen as a possible 'proof' of the 'unrealistic ideas' the individual already holds within themselves. Thus, I think it is sought typically by those who already have some desire to prove or to test whether reality is what it purports to be.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Minyatur - 11-24-2015
In my case it is more to increase my vibration to a level which I cannot attain with my current habits in the short run.
Balances everything neatly so far. Most of my experiences have been with magic mushrooms except one small LSD trip that felt the same.
There's an inner fight between a desire to not awaken and being bored of what I currently am.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Parsons - 11-24-2015
Interesting. As I needed less and less to prove the validity of the nature of reality, my desire to experience entheogens/psychedelics has lessened almost to nothing. I wouldn't mind taking an entheogen (in a supportive environment) to have a profound experience. But then again if I never took another one for the rest of this incarnation, I would be perfectly satisfied.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - AnthroHeart - 11-24-2015
I'd love to be able to do ayahuasca again, but alas I cannot.
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - Cobrien - 11-26-2015
(11-24-2015, 02:56 PM)Parsons Wrote: Interesting. As I needed less and less to prove the validity of the nature of reality, my desire to experience entheogens/psychedelics has lessened almost to nothing. I wouldn't mind taking an entheogen (in a supportive environment) to have a profound experience. But then again if I never took another one for the rest of this incarnation, I would be perfectly satisfied.
I feel the same way. I get the interest in experiencing new things, I do. However, there is the risk of dosing too much and becoming unbalanced to the point of schizophrenia. That's what I went through
RE: The Spiritual Use of Entheogens - AnthroHeart - 11-26-2015
Yeah, and I think schizo doesn't go away.