(10-22-2012, 08:50 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 02:03 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I feel like people here don't appreciate their STS brethren like they should.

How could you possibly say that after all the seemingly well considered discussions on the subject?

(10-18-2012, 01:08 PM)Spaced Wrote: I think this Nietzsche quote applies here. "Objection, evasion, joyous distrust, and love of irony are signs of health. Everything absolute belongs to pathology."

(10-22-2012, 01:50 PM)Patrick Wrote: Indeed I have been stepping up my efforts for healing Carla by a great margin lately. All my chakras were warm and well felt. So of course, this attracts these little friends.

(10-22-2012, 02:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...

(10-22-2012, 01:50 PM)Patrick Wrote: Indeed I have been stepping up my efforts for healing Carla by a great margin lately. All my chakras were warm and well felt. So of course, this attracts these little friends.

Have you informed her of this? I wonder: What is your take on the "free will" aspects of consciously directing energy at an other-self without their knowledge and/or consent?

(10-19-2012, 02:37 PM)Patrick Wrote: 1.1

We are ready to exchange information now. Like you, we also have a density. We are not of the 4th density, the density of Love. We are not of the 5th density, the density of Light. We are of the 6th density, the density of Unity. In our density, duality is no more, everything is simple once again and we are aware of the illusion behind the seeming paradoxes. We are One. Our nature is Unity and our purpose is United.

We have been with you a long time and we have attempted many times to bring the message of Unity to humans with partial success. We have been with you in the flesh. We have seen your faces directly from within your illusion. As opposed to most other friendly alien races. We concluded from this experience that it was not a very effective way of helping humans. It remains our wish to help humanity by bringing the message of Unity in some form and by attempting to smooth out the misunderstandings that resulted from our previous efforts. Until all humans are finished with 3rd density lessons, not being a part of time ourselves, we will continue this service.

Did we share enough information with you to clarify who we are and why we are here ?

1.6

Imagine that the Universe has no beginning and no ending, we are unaware of any evidence to the contrary. But we do have evidence to the fact that you are infinite, as is your quest for Truth and your awareness of the Creation.

Infinity cannot be divided, in order to be meaningful infinity must be understood as unity. The Creator being Infinite has to be united. Using your currently chosen limitations of the viewpoint, you can only be aware of simple examples of unity. Like all colors being united in one white light.

In reality, nothing is right or wrong. Duality is not real and you will become aware of this once you come out of the game you are currently playing. Playing this game was never a requirement. You made the choice of playing this game, otherwise you would instantly be aware of absolutely All There Is. We do not mean to say that you would merely know everything. You would be aware that you are everything, everyone, every feelings and every happenings. Without currently being aware of it, you still ever remain unity. You are infinite. You are the force behind the Creation and the Creation itself. You simply are. That is the meaning behind the words "the Law of One".

Would you like us to share more information about unity ?

(10-21-2012, 09:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Yes, exactly! Those of the negative polarity simply are who they are. They are not really making a "choice" to be "bad guys". There was a negative seed planted in the soil of human 3D experience, and it grew into a negative plant.

(10-22-2012, 02:09 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 08:50 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 02:03 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I feel like people here don't appreciate their STS brethren like they should.

How could you possibly say that after all the seemingly well considered discussions on the subject?

I don't necessarily equate discussion with appreciation.

(10-23-2012, 04:37 AM)drifting pages Wrote: An objective truth can not be an observation, therefore it is irrelevant. AN objective truth is so regardless of all that is. That is the ONE. This is circular, information/ perception many-ness cannot dive into that. Anathema. Paradox. In another words there is no truth as a separate thing from consciousness and if you are conscious you are subjective.

The quest for a definitive answer is pointless, it just doesn't happen and thought arrives at paradox. That is why proof of things is illusion, empirical science is not rooted in reality it just a working context for a snapshot in the unknowable infinite.

(10-22-2012, 08:00 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: As I read the Ra Material, it's certainly possible (and necessary) to choose polarities. For instance, "The hopeful result is, as you say, the original choice of polarity."

Quote:I also agree with Patrick that "Ra stated that entities can and do change their polarities." Example, "The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have."

78.24 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of polarity is to develop the potential to do work. This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say, experiments which have evolved since the concept of The Choice was appreciated. Work is done far more efficiently and with greater purity, intensity, and variety by the voluntary searching of mind/body/spirit complexes for the lessons of third and fourth densities. The action of fifth density is, viewed in space/time, the same with or without polarity. However, viewed in time/space, the experiences of wisdom are greatly enlarged and deepened due, again, to the voluntary nature of polarized mind/body/spirit action.

Quote:However, Tenet, I do think you make a good point that the archetype of The Choice may well have more to do with choosing to polarize than with choosing a polarity.

Quote:After all, we can tell ourselves that we mean to be positive (or negative), but unless we actually polarize in one direction or the other we won't be harvestable.

52.6 Wrote:There are patent differences between the polarities but no difference whatsoever in the completion of the knowledge of the self necessary to accomplish this discipline.

(10-21-2012, 09:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I think your understanding of free will may be different than mine. But I'm curious, what is the negative seed you're thinking of?

(10-23-2012, 01:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...
What I am saying is that "The Choice" becomes available as a result of polarization. Polarization is what makes "The Choice" possible. Can you find anything in the material to refute this notion? Because I couldn't find it.
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What this means is that polarization results in free will. The more we polarize, the more free will we acquire. (Or should I say reacquire?) If we acquire ENOUGH free will, we may, indeed choose to switch paths of polarization. But that is not "The Choice".

(10-23-2012, 01:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:However, Tenet, I do think you make a good point that the archetype of The Choice may well have more to do with choosing to polarize than with choosing a polarity.

Thank you! So, other than the fact that accepting this point might mean abandoning a long-held notion which has sort of become dogma- if I may use that word- do you actually have a problem with the point itself? Can you think of any quotes which refute this point?

(10-23-2012, 01:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...
What does this mean? Think about it closely. Because according to the schema you are positing, and which has become generally accepted, our free will is gradually reduced from the moment we embark down a path of polarity, to the point that we are harvested...

(10-23-2012, 01:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...

Quote:I think your understanding of free will may be different than mine. But I'm curious, what is the negative seed you're thinking of?

It's just the inherent bias present in the personality. On the other side of the veil, we have the soul which "programs" the life to be experienced. On this side of the veil, we are the ones thus programmed. This is not free will, but the antithesis of it. If we wish to acquire free will, we must grow in awareness of "Who We Are", i.e. polarize. If we become sufficiently polarized, then we might be able to start writing our own script. But not until then.

(10-23-2012, 01:41 PM)Patrick Wrote: Ok so you are saying that archetype number 22 (The Choice) is not the choice of polarities ?

Quote:Ra did say that this is how it was prior to the veiling.

Quote:But now that we have the veil, on top of choosing to polarize or not, we also have the choice of the polarity, don't you think ?

(10-23-2012, 01:11 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...
What does this mean? Think about it closely. Because according to the schema you are positing, and which has become generally accepted, our free will is gradually reduced from the moment we embark down a path of polarity, to the point that we are harvested...

Patrick Wrote:You've lost me here. I don't understand how you reached that conclusion? (even with what you said in the rest of your post)

Quote:I thought it was our awareness of the spiritual nature of our reality (or illusion) that unlocked our ability to decide things prior to incarnation.

(10-23-2012, 02:02 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Ra did say that this is how it was prior to the veiling.

Where did Ra say this?

Quote:77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

78.14 Questioner: But, in doing this, there was at the center of the galaxy, the lack of knowledge or the lack of concept of possiblity of extending the first distortion, so as to allow for what we have experienced as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service to self and service to others.

82.26 Questioner: Before the veil, during the review of the incarnation, were the entities at that time aware that what they were trying to do was sufficiently polarize for graduation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

82.27 Questioner: Then I am assuming that this awareness was somehow reduced as they went into the yellow ray third-density incarnative state even though there was no veil. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is distinctly incorrect.

82.28 Questioner: OK. This is the central important point. It seems to me that if polarization was the obvious thing that more effort would have been put forward to polarize. Let me see if I can state this differently. Before the veil there was an awareness of the need for polarization towards service to others in third density by all entities, whether incarnate in third-density, yellow-ray bodies or in between incarnations. I assume, then, that the condition of which we earlier spoke, one of wealth you might say, was present through the entire spectrum of experience whether it might be between incarnations or during incarnations and the entities just simply could not manifest the desire to create this polarization necessary for graduation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You begin to grasp the situation. Let us continue the metaphor of the schooling but consider the scholar as being an entity in your younger years of the schooling process. The entity is fed, clothed, and protected regardless of whether or not the schoolwork is accomplished. Therefore, the entity does not do the homework but rather enjoys playtime, mealtime, and vacation. It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel.

82.29 Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service to others to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

May we ask if there are any brief queries at this working?

93.3 Wrote:It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity.

Quote:However, we might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

Quote:One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

Quote:Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

(10-23-2012, 03:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

93.3 Wrote:It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity.

What Ra says here is, given the propensity [of L/L Research and other humans] to distortion toward "ethics" or "activity", it is unlikely to give a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities than "STO" and "STS".

(10-23-2012, 03:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:However, we might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

However, we, those of Ra, who are not prone to such distortions, might consider some variant terms. Vis-à-vis: the magnet.

Quote:One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

"it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet."

This really is quite as plain as day. I don't even see how anything could possibly be read into this quote. And yet so many discussions revolve around attempting just this kind of judgement.

(10-23-2012, 03:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The confusion inherent with "STO" and "STS" then continues with the assumption that all entities are 100% polarized to begin with.

(10-23-2012, 03:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: That is to say, a given entity is "51% STO AND 49% STS" or "95% STS AND 5% STO". But again, this conception bears no meaning. What is the point, if all entities are already 100% polarized? It also erroneously assumes that acquiring polarization from one path precludes the acquisition of polarity from the other path. Which is precisely what Ra does NOT say.

We don't start at 100% polarization, perfectly balanced between STS and STO. Right? We start at 0% polarization.

Hence, what they say is that an entity must be 51% polarized to graduate (from third density) on the positive path, and 95% polarized to graduate on the negative path.

(10-23-2012, 03:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Either path gains polarity through identification with the Law of One. Those on the positive path grow through identification of self as other (I AM YOU). Those on the negative path grow through identification of other as self (YOU ARE ME). Because of certain inherent difficulties pertaining to the negative path, it requires significantly more polarization to graduate upon it.

It really has little to do with ethics. Or even activity. As Ra so much as clearly stated.

(10-23-2012, 09:11 PM)drifting pages Wrote: The choice is enough purity of thought/intention/vibration do do "work in/with consciousnesses" is that accurate ?

Edit: At least to me this is what i have been doing, more and more finding what or who i am, playing in a vast field of potential and experience.

Patrick Wrote:These numbers are nearly meaningless to me and you already know that I, like you, do not like the terms STS and STO very much.

Quote:76.15 Questioner: Then we have a third density that is, comparatively speaking, the twinkling of an eye, the snap of a finger in time compared to the others. Why is the third density cycled so extremely rapidly compared to the first and second?

Ra: I am Ra. The third density is a choice.

76.16 Questioner: Third density, then, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, is nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is for the purpose of this choice.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

Patrick Wrote:Those on the positive path grow through identification of self and "others" as being One and all being the Creator (I AM YOU & YOU ARE ME).

Quote:Those on the negative path grow through identification of self as being the Creator and others being something else (I AM THE CREATOR, YOU ARE NOT).

Quote:Of course, it's not possible

Quote:Hence why the negative polarity is completely built on an omission of reality.

19.16 Wrote:The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

46.6 Wrote:The catalyst, and all catalyst, is designed to offer experience. This experience in your density may be loved and accepted or it may be controlled. These are the two paths. When neither path is chosen the catalyst fails in its design and the entity proceeds until catalyst strikes it which causes it to form a bias towards acceptance and love or separation and control. There is no lack of space/time in which this catalyst may work.

4.20 Wrote:The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity.

(10-23-2012, 09:11 PM)drifting pages Wrote: more and more finding what or who i am

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...At the least, we would agree that those terms are the source of much confusion. Therefore, why not dispense with them? What is the attachment to these terms really about?

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: According to my understanding, there are those who are of the opinion that "STS and STO" are central to Ra's philosophy because they believe "The Choice" is defined in the Ra Material as a decision between "STS and STO". Therefore to take these out of the equation, so to speak, might seem as if we were unraveling the very fabric of existence the "axis upon which the creation turns."
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IF we are to believe that "The Choice" = "deciding between STS and STO" THEN the entire creation turns upon this choice between the two.

But that doesn't make any sense. Why would the entire creation rest upon making a choice that is essentially meaningless once made? That's not even a real choice. That would more properly be called a decision.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: And it's barely even a decision, because self and other are identical, according to the Law of One. That means choosing to polarize is choosing to polarize, the path is irrelevant.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Then the imagery gets even more confused because there is the propensity to layer another meme on top of this which is about "good" and "evil". So there is this assumption among some of us that STO is the "good guys" and STS is the "bad guys".

I am saying no, that's not really what it is at all. But seeing as how L/L Research, and we humans, are prone to thinking in terms of "ethics and activity", I can understand the tendency to view it that way.

But polarization doesn't in reality have so much to do with "ethics and activity" as it does with "alignment and identity". That is why Ra defines it in those terms.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Patrick Wrote:Those on the positive path grow through identification of self and "others" as being One and all being the Creator (I AM YOU & YOU ARE ME).

That reads to me like you are describing polarization on both paths. You have an "&" in there.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Those on the negative path grow through identification of self as being the Creator and others being something else (I AM THE CREATOR, YOU ARE NOT).

But that isn't possible.

Quote:Of course, it's not possible

See? It doesn't make any sense, and you know it! The attitude you are describing does not result in polarization, whatsoever. That is on neither path. That is the "sinkhole of indifference".

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Hence why the negative polarity is completely built on an omission of reality.

But it isn't. The negative path is a completely valid view of reality. If an entity wishes to have control over another entity, then they must come to realize their true identity. True power cannot be derived from false identity.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

19.16 Wrote:The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

How can a being make "The Choice" before they are conscious? Doesn't make sense.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

46.6 Wrote:The catalyst, and all catalyst, is designed to offer experience. This experience in your density may be loved and accepted or it may be controlled. These are the two paths. When neither path is chosen the catalyst fails in its design and the entity proceeds until catalyst strikes it which causes it to form a bias towards acceptance and love or separation and control. There is no lack of space/time in which this catalyst may work.

The catalyst fails when neither is chosen. Not when one is "incorrectly" chosen over the other.

(10-24-2012, 03:19 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

4.20 Wrote:The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity.

If polarity is an illusion, then how can the entire creation turn upon it?

(10-24-2012, 10:21 AM)Patrick Wrote: The only attachment I have with these terms is that they are well known LOO terms to name the two polarities and so when speaking with other LOO students, they know what I am talking about.

Quote:But yes for the purpose of our discussion here, we would be better the drop them off completely.

Quote:The choice made is very real even if it is made based on an illusion. Remember, experience is real.

Quote:I believe that the choice of the two polarities is The Choice of 3d. The reason for this belief is simply that 4th density time/space is now completely separate for the two polarities.

47.6 Wrote:The ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light thus creates the requirement for both positive and negative fourth to fifth harvesting.

Quote:You either go to 4d positive or 4d negative time/space after 3d harvest. I believe this is why Ra says that The Choice is the axis upon which the creation turns at this time in the evolution of our universe.

Quote:But from the point of view of experience, it's very relevant. Because so much of what you are going to experience in this octave after 3d depends on that choice. The flavor of your experiences are going to be very different indeed based on The Choice of polarity.

Quote:77.16 Questioner: What I am really attempting to understand, since all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty-second which is The Choice, is why this choice is so important, why the Logos seems to put so much emphasis on this choice, and what function this choice of polarity has, precisely, in the evolution or the experience of that which is created by the Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density. The higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in this choice.

1.1 Wrote:We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples.

Quote:The "&" is there to connote awareness of Oneness. There is no such thing as "polarization on both paths".

Quote:All are the Creator knowing itself. Yes I know that once those on the negative path realizes their true identity, they are already far along the chosen path.

Quote:The Choice is not fully conscious, if it was fully conscious freewill would not operate as efficiently and that would be like it was before the veil.

Quote:No such thing as control over your other-selves existed before the veil.

Quote:Here is how (and this is the whole point my friend ).

Quote:It's only the beginning of the negative path that is based on an illusion. The choices that leads to the negative path can only be made while you are deluded.

69.11 Wrote:Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.

Quote:Do not forget that, once this choice/path is crystallized,

Quote:yet offer no explanation of what that Choice is

(05-23-2012, 09:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

"The Choice" is not between this or that, us or them, black or white, good or bad, right or wrong, STS or STO, or any other dualistic construction. The Choice is whether to consciously grow beyond that dualistic scaffolding which is provided for by nature. This is why Ra advised the card be placed at the end of the sequence, rather than the beginning.

I submit: The 21 Archetypes of the Tarot represent those forces of nature which unconsciously shape our experience. Like waves crashing upon the shore, they are swift, they are powerful, and they are relentless. But they are also distortions, and thus "not in any case necessary."

Even the most pig-headed, doltish, closed-hearted "Fool" will evolve to some small degree during the course of an incarnation, based upon the deterministic effects of the archetypes upon their consciousness. There is no such thing as devolution, or even standing still. In this, there is no Choice; there is no true "free will" as one may only select from a pre-programmed set of experiences, as in a role-playing game. And just like in an RPG, the more imbalanced one's character becomes, the harder it will be to progress in the game without taking steps to bring that character back into balance.

Within the rules of the game, one may decide to go chop wood, or sell potions, or fight dragons, or heal their comrades in battle. But one may not seek new forms of life, or invent their own magic spells, or become a dragon and burn down a whole village, or slay their own comrades in battle. The decision is limited to whatever the programmers elected to write into the code, and in the end, it is all just a bunch of zeroes and ones electronically encoded on a memory device. (You didn't really think it made you "better than" another player by casting yourself as a Druid Healer instead of a Dread Mage, did you? )

If one goes to the ice cream store, and is presented with two options- chocolate or vanilla- is there really a Choice? Or merely a decision? What if one would prefer strawberry? Or to invent a new flavor altogether? And is it really all that impressive of an accomplishment if one decides ahead of time that they will always take the vanilla option over the chocolate? That sounds to me like taking what little choice there was in the matter, and reducing it down to zero. Is that really the point of incarnation? To become utterly predictable in one's behavior? And how, exactly, does making the same decision over and over again bring one into balance, anyway?

INTERPRETATION: In order to acquire Choice, one must look beyond the outer appearances of duality (sun and moon), take up the burden of one's own balancing, and face the dragon (Dweller on the Threshold), thus freeing oneself from the need to incarnate within an archetypal field generated by a Logos.

(HINT: Why is this man and the world in which he lives, moves, and has his being, depicted as being inside a picture frame?)

(10-13-2012, 01:02 PM)Parsons Wrote:

(10-12-2012, 03:39 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(10-12-2012, 09:56 AM)Parsons Wrote: The instances of what I refer to as 'binary thinking' from my fellow 3D inhabitants is a daily occurrence at work and in society. The vast majority of people seem to be reverting to fear/'pack' based living, i.e. they will be the ones moving on to "further 3D lessons."

How does binary thinking apply in the LOO subcontext of STO/STS?

The STS have a much easier time controlling those people who only think in that simple mentality. For instance, it is much easier to justify war with Iran if a large enough chunk of the population believe they are 'bad'. If the people looked at Iran at any more complicated perspective than that, they might realize they have a large civilian population like any country.

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:The choice made is very real even if it is made based on an illusion. Remember, experience is real.

Experience is only real if something real is experienced. The only thing that is real is identity. Thus, if a catalyst causes an entity to experience identity, it results in polarization. If not, it is meaningless.

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:I believe that the choice of the two polarities is The Choice of 3d. The reason for this belief is simply that 4th density time/space is now completely separate for the two polarities.

I'm curious to know: How do you explain this quote?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...Why does it matter so much which path they polarize on?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:But from the point of view of experience, it's very relevant. Because so much of what you are going to experience in this octave after 3d depends on that choice. The flavor of your experiences are going to be very different indeed based on The Choice of polarity.

Quote:77.16 Questioner: What I am really attempting to understand, since all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty-second which is The Choice, is why this choice is so important, why the Logos seems to put so much emphasis on this choice, and what function this choice of polarity has, precisely, in the evolution or the experience of that which is created by the Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density. The higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in this choice.

As you can see, Don is the one who is confused. He even knows he is confused. For, if "all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty second, which is "The Choice", then how could it possibly be that one makes "The Choice" BEFORE experiencing the first twenty-one archetypes?

Don is the one that identifies "The Choice" with the "choice of polarity". Ra is doing the best they can with his persistent confusion. After all, they should be experts in confusion around the Law of One by now!

1.1 Wrote:We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples.

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:The "&" is there to connote awareness of Oneness. There is no such thing as "polarization on both paths".

Then what would you call it when an entity polarizes on the negative path through fifth density, then switches in sixth?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:All are the Creator knowing itself. Yes I know that once those on the negative path realizes their true identity, they are already far along the chosen path.

So what you are saying is that it is possible for the Creator to know itself through the act of adopting a false identity?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:The Choice is not fully conscious, if it was fully conscious freewill would not operate as efficiently and that would be like it was before the veil.

So the axis upon which Creation turn is a half-conscious, or possibly unconscious, choice? What would be the point of that?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:No such thing as control over your other-selves existed before the veil.

Then, how do those polarizing on the negative path in fourth and fifth densities (where there is no veil) acquire more polarity?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Here is how (and this is the whole point my friend ).

Oh gosh, no I don't think those people are polarizing at all! Those people aren't even in Ra's deck! LOL. They are playing "The Fool", not making "The Choice".

They might unknowingly be developing a bias, yes. For if one of these folks actually got serious about "enslaving others", they would eventually find that is only possible through a gradual accepting of their true identity along the negative path.

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:It's only the beginning of the negative path that is based on an illusion. The choices that leads to the negative path can only be made while you are deluded.

Then, how do you explain this?

69.11 Wrote:Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.

This says: A positive entity in a negative environment must needs learn/teach the lessons of love of self. How do you explain this?

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Do not forget that, once this choice/path is crystallized, even after the veil is removed in 4d, they still choose not to open their heart chakra even while knowing that such a portion of awareness is available. They are aware of the omission that their path is based on, but that is what they chose to experience and they like it this way and all experience is perfectly fine for the Creator.

But it isn't. In fact, the material says that the more one polarizes, the easier it is to switch the path.

(10-24-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: LOL! Maybe we should just plan to compare notes after we contact intelligent infinity and are less confused! Luckily, I don't think it is at all necessary to totally understand this philosophy in order to graduate. All that is necessary is polarization.

(10-24-2012, 03:43 PM)Patrick Wrote: Our identity is our awareness.

Patrick Wrote:Our identity is our chosen limitation of the viewpoint.

Quote:If not, then what does "Polarization" means to you ?

Quote:I'm just humoring you here, because we both know that understanding is not of this density.

(10-24-2012, 02:40 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Look. Forget all of this.

What I am saying is that the common notion of an "ethical person outwardly serving" is not the only version of "polarizing on the positive path" that is available.

(10-24-2012, 02:40 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: An entity could be meditating alone in a cave for 6000 years, and still be able to polarize on the positive path. Why? Because it is not in any case necessary for another human being to be physically present in their experience in order to polarize on the positive path.

However, if an entity, meditating in a cave for 6000 years, realizes their true identity, that DOES IN FACT make it easier for other entities to follow in their own paths. Thus, it "serves others" in that sense. It helps to "lay the groundwork" for others to realize their own identity. It is helpful.

A man in a cave for 6000 years, while remarkable, otherwise accomplishes nothing of true import, if all they did was stare at their own shadow, and never made the decision to use that shadow as a catalyst for knowing their true identity. Yes, that is true. But I am saying that is not Archetype 22- The Choice. That choice is what makes Archetype 22 possible.

(10-24-2012, 02:40 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Similarly, a "good, nice person, serving outwardly" may not actually be polarizing at all. If they are insincere about it, there won't be much polarization. This is because it has really very little to do with ethics or activity.

It has everything to do with alignment and identity
Surely we agree on this.

(10-24-2012, 03:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(10-24-2012, 03:43 PM)Patrick Wrote: Our identity is our awareness.

Yes.

Patrick Wrote:Our identity is our chosen limitation of the viewpoint.

No. Our identity is constant.

(10-24-2012, 03:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:If not, then what does "Polarization" means to you ?

The more relevant question is: What does it mean to Ra?

(10-24-2012, 03:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...
I have found our discussing to be quite polarizing! Thanks all for the chat, but I have to go prepare for something. Which means I won't have much time coming up to continue this discussion very much. But I have enjoyed it. Thanks for being here. Ciao.