(09-07-2011, 07:49 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Given your previous comments on why I should care about impractical information in Book 4, despite my already having told you that I -do- care about it, and in light of a direct inquiry for assistance:

Tenet Nosce Wrote:It sounds to me like you consider yourself to be one of those very few who has landed upon the precise interpretation of the material. So, what say you? Harvest is in 52 days. What message do you have for me, Tenet Nosce, who appears to be one minute on the verge of grasping something, and the next minute floundering in confusion. Any advice?

Quote:Your reply is actually quite telling of the amount of pristine spiritual principles you have succeeded in making practical for everyday use. As evidenced by the fact that you have pretty much "dismissed" everybody in this forum in one way or another, I am inclined to ask what exactly is your purpose in being here? What are you seeking in your interactions with others in this forum?

(09-07-2011, 08:19 PM)unity100 Wrote: harvest is happening as of now/until a near date vicinity within 2011 you mean. yes, harvest may be happening now, and it may end in 52 days or so, with the frequency going to max.

(09-07-2011, 08:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 08:19 PM)unity100 Wrote: harvest is happening as of now/until a near date vicinity within 2011 you mean. yes, harvest may be happening now, and it may end in 52 days or so, with the frequency going to max.

And when it ends... should we expect you to still be physically present? Or...?

(09-07-2011, 04:55 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 04:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-04-2011, 10:59 PM)Icaro Wrote: Session 62 - Carla was under specific psychic greeting. Ra asks that breath be expelled over her body.

This session occurred at the beginning of a flurry of major solar flares:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fvJcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=x1kNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6844,3463503&dq=1981+solar+flare&hl=en

It appears that sessions 62 - 64 occurred during this period of intense solar activity. There is also a Book V fragment from that time. I haven't looked into it any further at this point, as I have an appointment coming in...

in case you reflect on the cases for which 'psychic greeting' termage is used, you will see that the phrase 'physic greeting' is used as a polite way of saying 'attempt to kill'. not 'influence', or 'lead astray' or any of the sort. all the 'psychic greetings' in the book take form of trying to amplify one or other health problem or distortion to kill the entity named as Carla.

(09-07-2011, 04:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-04-2011, 10:59 PM)Icaro Wrote: Session 62 - Carla was under specific psychic greeting. Ra asks that breath be expelled over her body.

This session occurred at the beginning of a flurry of major solar flares:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fvJcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=x1kNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6844,3463503&dq=1981+solar+flare&hl=en

It appears that sessions 62 - 64 occurred during this period of intense solar activity. There is also a Book V fragment from that time. I haven't looked into it any further at this point, as I have an appointment coming in...

(09-07-2011, 09:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to what you have dug out in the first 2 threads, apparently all else than the 3-4d entities will need to bite the dust soon.

(09-07-2011, 10:52 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 09:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to what you have dug out in the first 2 threads, apparently all else than the 3-4d entities will need to bite the dust soon.

And then what happens to the hybrid population left behind post-harvest?

(09-07-2011, 12:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: If you look at the material as a whole, there is a clear trend toward more transitory material as it goes on.

(09-07-2011, 12:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: There are so many countless works on the tarot and the archetypes, and frankly I didn't find one stitch of new information in any of those responses that couldn't be found in other books, or simply by meditating on the images on the cards themselves.

(09-07-2011, 03:20 PM)unity100 Wrote: you are not at all willing to mold or grow your understanding. for 2.5 threads total now, you are trying to go around a quote you dont like.

Quote:62.23 Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

(09-07-2011, 11:07 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: That's basically the opposite of my sense of the progression of the sessions. Don started out by asking about transient material, in part because he thought it would help attract an audience, but by the end he was focusing on material much more central to Ra's interests (philosophy, the archetypical mind, etc.)

Here's a helpful outline of the subjects covered in each session: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2448

'βαθμιαίος Wrote:I'm not aware of any other source that groups the major arcana of the tarot into seven archetypes each of mind, body, and spirit, plus the choice. Are you? If so, could you provide a reference?

(09-07-2011, 10:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: if you post that in mayan day/night thread it would be more tidy and relevant to the thread. it will just get lost in this thread.

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for - it is more relevant to that subject than this.

charging up of a planet by energy can be used to any means. with that proposal, since the world is so much being bombarded by energy now, we are in a period in which we would have to endure endless psychic attacks.

energy can be used for either means.

(09-07-2011, 10:52 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 09:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to what you have dug out in the first 2 threads, apparently all else than the 3-4d entities will need to bite the dust soon.

And then what happens to the hybrid population left behind post-harvest?

(09-07-2011, 04:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: It appears that sessions 62 - 64 occurred during this period of intense solar activity. There is also a Book V fragment from that time. I haven't looked into it any further at this point, as I have an appointment coming in...

(09-07-2011, 11:50 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 04:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: It appears that sessions 62 - 64 occurred during this period of intense solar activity. There is also a Book V fragment from that time. I haven't looked into it any further at this point, as I have an appointment coming in...

Interesting.

Quote:The Law of One, Book V, Session 63, Fragment 35

July 18, 1981

Jim: Carla’s arthritis began just after her kidneys failed when she was thirteen years old. In her childhood she had the very strong desire to be of service to others, but after many difficult experiences as a child unable to fit well anywhere she felt so sure that she would never be able to really be of service that by the age of thirteen she prayed that she might die. When her kidney failure six months later provided her with an avenue for such an exit from the incarnation, her near-death experience was of the nature where she was told that she could go on if she chose to but that her work was not done. She immediately chose to return to this life, now feeling that there was indeed service to be provided, and the juvenile rheumatoid arthritis set in immediately.

You can also see here how the efforts of negative entities intensified the choice to die that she had made of free will, but by that same free will there was no force that could hinder her return to service once she had made that choice.

Carla: The concept of limitation, especially in the form of physical disease, being a benign thing can be disturbing to think upon at first. I asked myself why in heaven’s name would I choose this particular condition? For it is as cunning in how it limits me as it could be. Although the rheumatoid disease has altered each joint in my body, it has focused on my hands, wrists and shoulders and back. I simply cannot do anything physical for too long a period, including typing at this very computer’s keyboard. I cannot pick up heavy things, or do heavy cleaning around the house. In general, I must watch how long I work at anything, for I cannot do a good day’s work and expect to rise the next day feeling well. I simply must write a lot of rest into the schedule. Any time I do overstep these unseen limitations, I reap the reward of having lots of quiet time while I recuperate.

Through the years, therefore, I have become very able to live in a world that is retired to the point of being a hermit’s way. Even in the depths of illness, in the early ’90’s, I was still given work to do, in the channeling, and in correspondence with a wide variety of students, counsel-ees and friends. My voice, because it hurt to produce a tone, was faint, but my thoughts still flew with wings, and there was immense satisfaction in continuing to serve.

It has always been difficult for me to take things lightly. I am always the one so intensely riveted on whatever I am doing that there’s no possibility of my being “cool.” Forget it! So Ra’s telling me I needed to reserve energy for myself during sessions did not sit well. However, given the way I was physically wasting away, I realized I would have to learn how to do that. I have come to appreciate this lesson greatly, and so pass the advice on to each who sees himself in these words. It is a worthwhile thing to preserve the physical shell; indeed, it is the kind of loving act that teaches as it aids.

Session 63, July 18, 1981

Questioner: Was the original problem with the kidneys some 25 years ago caused by psychic attack?

Ra: I am Ra. This is only partially correct. There were psychic attack components to the death of this body at that space/time. However, the guiding vibratory complex in this event was the will of the instrument. This instrument desired to leave this plane of existence as it did not feel it could be of service.

Quote:Questioner: You are saying then that the instrument itself created the kidney problem at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. The instrument’s desire to leave this density lowered the defenses of an already predisposed weak body complex, and an allergic reaction was so intensified as to cause the complications which distorted the body complex towards unviability. The will of the instrument, when it found that there was indeed work to be done in service, was again the guiding factor or complex of vibratory patterns which kept the body complex from surrendering to dissolution of the ties which cause the vitality of life.

Jim Wrote:You can also see here how the efforts of negative entities intensified the choice to die that she had made of free will, but by that same free will there was no force that could hinder her return to service once she had made that choice.

(09-07-2011, 10:57 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 10:52 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 09:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to what you have dug out in the first 2 threads, apparently all else than the 3-4d entities will need to bite the dust soon.

And then what happens to the hybrid population left behind post-harvest?

that is a good question.

(09-08-2011, 12:38 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 10:57 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 10:52 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(09-07-2011, 09:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: according to what you have dug out in the first 2 threads, apparently all else than the 3-4d entities will need to bite the dust soon.

And then what happens to the hybrid population left behind post-harvest?

that is a good question.

Have you seen The Quickening? I am watching it for the first time right now, and it is talking about this very idea! Another "Netflix coincidence". I mean, really it is getting too bizarre.

unity100 Wrote:if that is highlander ii, i dont know what to respond.

(09-07-2011, 11:35 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: There is a section in The Tarot: history, symbolism, and divination which describes the major arcana as "three groups of seven" in the Tarot of Marseilles, which is generally thought to have originated in the 15th century, although that particular term is a late 19th century creation. This system was further elaborated in the late 18th century by Comte de Mellet, who did in fact attribute it to the Egyptians although he had no historical basis for saying so.

(09-07-2011, 11:35 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Interestingly, this ties back into The Archetypes - Potentiator of the Spirit where I asked you for a reference on Zain.

(09-07-2011, 11:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So... why was Carla being attacked way back in 1956, before the Ra contact had ever even been conceived? The attack seems to have been made with specific foreknowledge to the situation that would unfold in 1981, as documented here.

(09-07-2011, 12:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I don't know for sure, but I do think that I have had some experience with 5D/neg entities- and let me tell you that they are not in the least perturbed by white candles. Nor does invoking the name of "Jesus Christ" send them off whimpering to their master in defeat. Such contrivances are amusing to 5D entities.

The only reason that the protection rituals had ANY effect was because of the effect they had on Carla's mental/emotional state to the degree that they reduced fear and doubt. If Carla wanted to create a ritual using a rotten banana peel and an empty bottle of Jack Daniels, while reciting the theme song to Cheers, she could have done that, and it would have worked just as well if such a ritual was acceptable to her subconscious.

What is perhaps MORE important is that there is no such thing as an impervious protection ritual. The very idea of a ritual implies a certain amount of energy that is draining to 4D/neg, and which can be utilized by 5D/neg. ANY type of invocation creates an opportunity for attack.

(09-08-2011, 10:07 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I scanned those links briefly and didn't see anything connecting the groups of seven to mind, body, and spirit.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:That seems like a stretch. Ra stated that wanderers are high-priority targets for Orion (16.53).

(09-07-2011, 12:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This is also quite different from my understanding, which is that the circle of one that Don and Jim walked did, in fact, create a barrier through which no thought form could pass.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:On at least one occasion (session 62), when the circle was imperfectly walked, a thought form did penetrate the circle and began to attack Carla's kidneys and would have killed her had Ra not been able to instruct Don and Jim to rewalk the circle.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:If a wanderer is having negative thoughts, Orion entities seek to amplify them.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:This had nothing to do with Carla's subconscious.

Quote:67.7 The normal gambit of such fourth-density attack is the tempting of the entity or group of entities away from total polarization towards service-to-others and toward the aggrandizement of self or of social organizations with which the self identifies. In the case of this particular group each was given a full range of temptations to cease being of service to each other and to the One Infinite Creator. Each entity declined these choices and instead continued with no significant deviation from the desire for a purely other-self service orientation. At this point one of the fifth-density entities over-seeing such detuning processes determined that it would be necessary to terminate the group by what you might call magical means, as you understand ritual magic. We have previously discussed the potential for the removal of one of this group by such attack and have noted that by far the most vulnerable is the instrument due to its pre-incarnative physical complex distortions.

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This particular reference attributes them to Plato's theory of "three parts of the soul": there is the "soul of appetite" (the body), the "soul of reason" (the mind), and the "soul of will" (the spirit). It was right there in the second page and highlighted. But believe what you will, I have offered the information but have no need to defend it.

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What is so "stretchy" about higher order entities moving back and forth in time according to our perception?

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What is the basis for this understanding? How does "no thought form pass" when there are people within the circle, thinking?

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What terminology would you use to describe an attempt by an Orion entity to amplify negative thoughts? If not "psychic attack" or "negative greeting", then...?

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: That anybody involved in a magical working leaves their entire subconscious mind "at the door" once the circle closes seems a little over the top to me. Can you see why this would be a challenging idea for one to accept- especially on faith?

(09-08-2011, 11:44 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I saw the soul of appetite, etc, but didn't make the connection to body, mind, and spirit. I don't have time to read that book now. Does it link the first seven cards to mind, the second to body, and the third to spirit?

βαθμιαίος Wrote:Other unique (to my knowledge) aspects of Ra's discussion of the archetypes are the notions of matrix, potentiator, etc and the suggestion that cards 1, 8, and 15; 2, 9, and 16; etc. are linked in an architectural way.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:It's a stretch in that it's not necessary. As a wanderer, Carla was already a target.

(09-08-2011, 10:58 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Pass from outside the circle to inside it.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:The phrase used in the ritual was "Let no thought-form enter the circle we have walked about this instrument, for the Law is One."

βαθμιαίος Wrote:I'm not disagreeing that Carla came under psychic attack when she was thirteen. I don't think the reason she came under attack was necessarily that she was going to be the channel for the Ra contact 25 years later.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the attack on Carla in session 62 was an attack by an external source and occurred when she was not present in her body. It was made possible by a misstep in the walking of the circle. You had said that the ritual was only effective to the extent that it reduced Carla's fear and was acceptable to her subconscious. I don't think that's the case.

(09-08-2011, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: You don't need to read the entire book, just the section that I linked for you consisting of four paragraphs. It is kind of amusing that you would specifically ask for a reference, and then declare that you have no time to read it.

(09-08-2011, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So the entire basis for believing that the ritual was 100% effective, is simply this sentence? I mean 100% effective against negative interference, not 100% effective of an overt takeover of Carla's body, as I previously replied. In other words, do you believe that a negative entity "outside" the circle could have no effect, whatsoever, on what is going on "inside" the circle?

(09-08-2011, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What I am attempting to say is that, if the Upanishads were used instead of the Bible, and if one of Rumi's poems was used instead of the prayer of St. Francis, they would have worked just as well, if such symbols were acceptable to Carla's subconscious.

(09-08-2011, 01:13 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Yes, I do, if by "have no effect" you mean that the negative entity was unable to send thought forms into the circle during the working. However, any inroads the negative entity might have made into Jim or (especially) Don's consciousness or subconsciousness before the session could, of course, affect the session.

(09-08-2011, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

βαθμιαίος Wrote:It's a stretch in that it's not necessary. As a wanderer, Carla was already a target.

So... Carla is a wanderer... meaning that she has previously graduated from the 3D cycle of time... moved on to 4D or 5D as the case may be, CAME BACK to this 3D reality "from the future" in order to provide a specific form of service- namely channeling information from an entity that is largely responsible for the creation of the entire human race, as we know it....

Quote:Right, got it. Now what about the mental/emotional state of the entities already inside the circle? Also, I would suggest to attempt to wrap your mind around what a "circle" means to a 5D entity.

Quote:Not necessarily, but why not? Also what is the barrier to a 5D entity, once having observed Carla channeling Ra in 1981, to have scanned backwards in time and make an attempt to "take her out" earlier in the game? Even if such an attempt failed, it could still have left a strong imprint of fear and doubt, which was later capitalized upon during the Ra contact.

(09-08-2011, 02:47 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(09-08-2011, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

βαθμιαίος Wrote:It's a stretch in that it's not necessary. As a wanderer, Carla was already a target.

So... Carla is a wanderer... meaning that she has previously graduated from the 3D cycle of time... moved on to 4D or 5D as the case may be, CAME BACK to this 3D reality "from the future" in order to provide a specific form of service- namely channeling information from an entity that is largely responsible for the creation of the entire human race, as we know it....

you dont become a 'future entity' by moving into 5d. no such thing exists. this is something that you have mistakenly concluded, and you are making a lot of false assumptions over it.

ra has graduated from venus 3d 4 billion years ago. it is NOT in 'our' future. the continuum of this planet, is currently 2011 A.D. with our timing. ra is currently at 6d, at a point that is congruent with our own nexus, even if it is nearing 7d 'timelessness' and is not something that could be accurately represented with our measurements. just like how the measurements to tell where rasputin et all incarnated currently are rather meaningless since they are in a different dimension and time flows differently - BUT, they are at current nexus, incarnated in those places. not 'were incarnated' or 'going to be incarnated' at the same time or anything like that.


a wanderer from Ra incarnating on this planet does not make that wanderer coming from 'our future'. only if that wanderer incarnated to venus's 3d back 4 billion years ago, that would be something of the sort of 'coming from future'.

however it is not possible apparently, since it would break the continuum. the entity was 3d in that point in time. it cannot just go back in time and reincarnate into that nexus as a 6d entity. this happens only in our sci-fi movies.

not being a part of time does not mean that you can break all continuum(s). if you did, then the continuum(s) would be different. and there would be no such thing as a 'mistake to be balanced'. maldek wouldnt get destroyed, and many many more.

again,

you have incorrectly concluded that an entity that is in 5d or 6d is an entity that is in 'future', and that entity going to a 3d locality makes it 'coming from future'.

not to mention that no such thing like 'not being part of time' exists for 5d entities.

Quote:Right, got it. Now what about the mental/emotional state of the entities already inside the circle? Also, I would suggest to attempt to wrap your mind around what a "circle" means to a 5D entity.

a circle means to a 5d entity what it means to a thought form. it is an impenetrable circle if it was made an impenetrable circle.

a thought form is something stronger than a thought. its focus and concentration is higher. it is basically an 'entity' compared to thought. if a thought form cannot pass a barrier, the thoughts of the same kind also wont be able to pass.

Quote:Not necessarily, but why not? Also what is the barrier to a 5D entity, once having observed Carla channeling Ra in 1981, to have scanned backwards in time and make an attempt to "take her out" earlier in the game? Even if such an attempt failed, it could still have left a strong imprint of fear and doubt, which was later capitalized upon during the Ra contact.

there is no such thing as 'going back in time' as a 5d entity. there is a reason why reviews are made in indigo body in 6d time/space. this is the locus point that has access to OBSERVING past and future, due to the time abundance of time/space.

..............

so far you are making grand conclusions based on holywood science fiction - not the usable material at hand or general spiritualism.

(09-08-2011, 01:13 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I read those paragraphs (several times) and the next few, too. I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how they support your claim that everything Ra gave about the archetypes was already available before 1981. I was thinking that if I read the rest of the book I might find what you're referring to, but after reading forward a few more pages I abandoned that effort.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:However, any inroads the negative entity might have made into Jim or (especially) Don's consciousness or subconsciousness before the session could, of course, affect the session.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about the symbols (bible, candle, incense) that the group used to reassure Carla. I agree with you that if the Upanishads were symbolically meaningful to Carla then they would have worked just as well to reassure her. But I'm talking about what protected her, and I don't understand the symbols to be what protected Carla -- as I understand it, the protection was provided by Don and Jim walking the circle of one.

βαθμιαίος Wrote:As to whether Carla was attacked when she was thirteen because she was going to channel Ra -- who knows? I'm just invoking Occam's Razor and suggesting that she would probably have been attacked no matter what her future held, given that, as a wanderer, she was a high-priority target.