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RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Oceania - 11-19-2011
ok, i just know what it's like to get worked up. you care about the issue and then people just show disdain towards something that's trying to shed light on stuff.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Claiming that videos like this don't have any impact, while arguing against several people in this thread who directly state that it actually did have an impact on them seems like flat-out denial to me.
I don't think anyone is denying that it stirs the consciousness.
Ultimately this issue comes down to responsibility. I don't have a problem with people wanting to address some of the over-reaching principles of control and manipulation. However, when one does not take the responsibility to address the other side of the equation (the choices we have all made on the personal level), we only add to the concepts of separation by not addressing the root issues. I personally spent several years mulling over conspiracy without accomplishing anything, and its because all the information had me focusing on all the issues outside of myself.
Videos like this are fine, only if they spend more time expanding on how we personally let the manipulation get out of hand. It should be the dominant part of the discussion, because that's where the real change occurs. Otherwise it's irresponsible and lacks honesty.
Let's not forget we're dealing with 75,000 years of evolution up until now, and here we are as the harvest is occurring. It is our responsibility to be honest and critical of information like this, so we can point the conversation in the correct direction, and truly help people make the correct choices.
Let's acknowledge that truthfully, there will be people who will watch this and spend years searching outside of themselves. I wish someone had pointed me in the right direction.
"Interesting video, BUT.." needs to be our attitude. The conversation will not turn inward unless we bring it up every step of the way.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 05:51 PM)Icaro Wrote: "Interesting video, BUT.." needs to be our attitude. The conversation will not turn inward unless we bring it up every step of the way.
You may have missed it, but I did this about 60 posts ago, and nobody made a peep about it.
Moreover, I will not speak for zack231, but speaking for myself I have often times posted a link to a video or website where somebody else assumed that means I agreed 100% with everything in that video or website. This is hardly the case.
People can't be expected to go around the Internet leaving little notes and disclaimers every time they share a link or make a comment about something. To the contrary, it makes more sense to take an "opt-in" philosophy. Unless I give a specific endorsement, don't assume one.
This is "proper" Internet etiquette, yet probably the majority of users are unaware of this. Yet in the "real" world, if I recommend to somebody a particular book or movie, they don't assume I think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why is this?
Besides, I don't see anybody in this thread claiming that Thrive! is going to "save the world". I only saw one person refer to it as a "massive amount of new-age crap". The bias here is clear, in my opinion. And, if you haven't noticed, it is getting in the way of others having just the kind of conversation you are endorsing.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-19-2011
I saw it the first time..I'm glad you agree. I just get the impression that we're not allowed to be critical of anything considered to be positive. Some are blunt, that's their choice but I can understand the frustration because information like this is not new at all. I've been watching conspiracy grow over the last 10 years now, and it is the same tired conversation. It's time that it evolves.
While acknowledging the positives, if I had to decide whether or not something like this is ultimately beneficial, I'd have to say it isn't because it is misleading. And I can say this because I was personally misled in the past. Luckily I had already been studying Eastern concepts and had accepted the idea of oneness before I came across conspiracy, but even then, I still became side-tracked.
No one needs to go on a long and unnecessary journey of seeking if we're just honest from the beginning. This is the frustration that I share. I am not trying to downplay anything positive, but if we don't continue to stress that which is ultimately important, conspiracy will never evolve.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-19-2011
Wizard of Oz. It's about believing in yourself.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zenmaster - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:I call BS...(11-19-2011, 02:25 AM)zenmaster Wrote: (uh, we all want free energy, but are not willing to invent it but rather be parasites of entitlement or, as Ra says "hitchhikers").
How can you not see this... people HAVE been willing to invent free energy. And they have been shut down and/or murdered in every case.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Ever heard of Eugene Mallove?Yes, I follow the "fringe". I do not buy into the tenuous innuendo, however.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Who are you helping by railing against any and all attempts to talk about these things?Railing against. I call it as I see it, which historically has bared out. If I happen to be grossly incorrect in my portrayal then I would admit the error.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Maybe I am mischaracterizing your view, but it seems to me that anything which smacks of "conspiracy theory" or "fringe science" is not worth exploring or discussing, according to you. I have pointed to this several times in multiple threads, and you have not responded.Of course it's worthy of discussion. Discernment should be encouraged so that we may learn something from what has been offered. But is that forthcoming, no. Basically people tend to be satisfied with news of something that reinforces their biases, such as the victim mindset sold in these films. The "PTB" or "elite" hold the keys to freedom but are withholding it, thereby enslaving the population. That is pure nonsense and only serves to finger-point at some object of suppresion outside of the self (i.e. the headless govt, the bankers, the dynasties, whatever). The local environment is perfectly suitable to provide accurate information for one to bother to use their discernment, will, and honesty. If they bother to determine what is viable for themselves.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: For example, when I offered continued responses to your posts on Spiral Dynamics here and here in Caring/Compassion/Sensitivity/Tact vs Lying/Faking which relate to this discussion. These links are reference for others because I am not going to take the time to recapitulate the ideas again, and it would appear you have deemed them unworthy of a response.No, I will catch up and respond. I intended to address it fully, as it seemed to be worthwhile discussion, but it fell through - I had to put it off and forgot. You had some interesting points that I will address individually.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I also referenced multiple times the irony of your claiming that everything Foster Gamble has to say is bunk, while he specifically promotes the views of Ken Wilbur and Spiral Dynamics... both of which you seem to be strongly in support of. You have failed to respond to this as well.I dont' know the guy, or everything he had to say. I did watch that youtube clip and was dismayed by what was being portrayed compared to what the system is actually about.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Since free energy is where "conspiracy theory" and "fringe science" meet, I can see why you might refuse to engage in any sort of real discussion about the possibility... instead you are spreading the seeds of separation by portraying yourself as intellectually superior to anybody else who wants to discuss these things.Intellectually superiority is some kind of projection you hold. It's a ridiculous concept and I would not be here if I had one iota of need for such a structure self-fulfillment. What you may be missing is that I am being honest when I offer my limited viewpoint, and I'm willing to back it up into minute detail if asked. What may come accross as "intellectual superiority" is the inevitable disagreements which will occur when actual discernment is applied to that which has been depcited as being the case, vs what is actually the case. If one attempts to contextualize or to offer some scope to what is being promoted to some status of fact, which is obviously full of unexamined, entrenched prejudice and emotional content. Popularity or status quo is not such a concern with me as it is with many on this forum. My idea of "love" or "acceptance" is not reduced to completely superficial agreement and useless indulgence. Such is the tacit standard that has been set. So be it. Most of the attacks back on me have been also superficially groundless and mainly based on defense of transient "ideas" which are perceived to have an overly important impact on the welfare of society. (and therefore quite a sacred cow due to the zealot's unconsciously associated transcendent principle underlying their secret bias) It's usually utter bullshit, of course, as ideas - the imagination - are not real. "Wanderers", who you'd think would know better, are enmeshed in the same drama - the same allegory of the cave - and due to lack of discernment are largely responsible for propogating distraction and sleep due to their fantasy-prone, ungrounded, natures.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I've also asked this question before... Are you a physicist or psychologist? Do you have any scientific training? Are you Ken Wilbur or Nassim Haramein? What is it that- in your mind- qualifies you to speak authoritatively on this topic?I am qualified as much as anyone. Are you attempting to appeal to some authority structure where opinion is reserved to those worthy of offering it? What actual good does that do anyone. If a reader is not capable of making up their own mind in the first place, why should they buy into, or be led by, that offered from someone who happens to have an acedemic title? The same problem of discernment holds, regardless of the information source.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Again... maybe I am wrong... in which case please state your view on free energy? Is it possible? If so, what would you think is the most effective way of developing such a technology?It's actually quite simple. The current paradigm of research - experimentation, theoretical development - basically figuring out viable mechanisms for observed physical processes, which result in a more accurate view of the universe - is applicable to this type of research. Skipping the step of establishing something viable and instead promoting some vague, intuitively resonating, symbolic idea of possible promise (ooo, ahhhh...) runs counter to people doing actual research and is what amounts to pure entertainment. Such vague, utterly detached, notions of impotence and distraction come and go like the wind (as we see historically). What supports this dynamic is the give-it-to-me-now, parasitic, mindset of entitlement which pays no mind to the dirty work, the persistence involved in and required by actual learning about real, actionable, processes and structures.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The value of any of these types of viral videos and movies is that it allows the viewer a glimpse into a slice of reality that they would not otherwise see. Why is this? Because the media won't show them. Their teachers won't show them. Their pastors won't show them. And so on.In other words, more of the same, tired, blame/suppression game. What is being shown is a glimpse into someone's bias of what they want to see but have not bothered to create - to actually make real. Therefore, the so-called "slice of reality", when subject to inspection, is what amounts to entertainment and fluff. What do such stories actually provide in the way of support for removing one's distortions?
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: It offers them a view into what life might be like as viewed from a "higher meme" according to the system of Spiral Dynamics, which you so strongly favor.What I am pointing out with Spiral Dynamics is that the researchers have observed groups of core values being used in society. And that those identified values are representative of what this particular society is working with through the discrete vibrations of Ra's "subdensities". While it's obvious that some of the teachers who have participated in the videos are operating from some of the higher vibrations, the manner used to convey such a bridge that you and others see as the "wake up" or outside of what is being fed by the status-quo media, is, for the most part, playing around with people's libido - at most, a rearranging of furniture in the house. When circumstances render some population segment's current worldview as inadequate or unsatisfactory, the story tellers jump in with the promotion of a victim-framing "slice of reality" which basically serves their agenda for some detached, untenable framework of what they want to see bought in to. Yes, this is where we disagree. I have seen Greers movement and it grossly overextends, exagerrates and falsely depicts circumstances in order to promote a particular agenda of "disclosure". I do not condone such a consequentialist philosophy where the ends justify the means.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This is the value, and your failure to acknowledge it is both shocking and disturbing.You would seem to be easily shocked and disturbed by my lack of support for such amusement, hand-waving, and distraction provided by those offering fanatical, vague and tenuous notions.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: You appear to be perturbed by all the amount of pseudo-science that gets passed around the Internet... well... maybe if real scientists took any of these things seriously and investigated them rather than mocking them, then laypeople wouldn't feel so compelled to take matter into their own hands.I really don't care if pseudo science is passed around. I don't care if it's discussed. My objection is when the concepts are misattributed, over extended, used as "proof" for something beyond what they can possibily support, and the conspiracy which is evoked as the reason for its inevitable impotence and failure to live up to inflated claims designed for emotional appeal.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As far as impact or "polarization" goes, I think the answer is obvious. If somebody is in the "sinkhole of indifference" a video like this might be enough to jar them out of comfortable numbness. What do you care, anyway? Who are you trying to protect? If these things really have little to no impact, as you say, then who gives a rats-a$$ one way or another?You do realize one can just as well turn this same rhetoric back on your head.
(11-19-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Claiming that videos like this don't have any impact, while arguing against several people in this thread who directly state that it actually did have an impact on them seems like flat-out denial to me.As far as claiming they don't have impact... I acknowledge there will enevitably be elements of subjectively, thought-provoking ideas "catalyst". But as far as by design, no - it is mostly distraction and sleep - the exploitation of a desire to take an easy road to look outside oneself for change. You get back what you put in. The individual and society are the same and, ultimately, that's why we have what is provided for us today. The situation is not due to another's suppression, but due to lack of will and a strong desire to be led by another or to put off "going there" by such seemingly promising ideas placed on their sacred pedestals. Merely containing similar sounding, intuitively resonating, buzzwords does not constitute agreement with the Ra Material. But as it is with the limits of intuition and one's experience, the unconscious will fill in the blanks and ultimately promote the underlying bias of what one wants to see at the expense of other possibilities. Also, it's more projection to suggest that such ungrounded, childish shows are the very reason why I'm here, discussing the Ra Material, after all.
(11-19-2011, 07:05 PM)Icaro Wrote: I just get the impression that we're not allowed to be critical of anything considered to be positive.Or what someone may consider to be "inspirational". After all, that which is considered inspirational is now in the category of that which is spiritual - that which is seen to provide for one's very salvation. And that which has a possible connection to one spiritual nature is quite sacred and can never be subject to any form of admonishment without being seen as a crushing blow, a negative circumventing attitude against evolution on this planet. What a transparent joke.
(11-18-2011, 10:35 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:I would disagree.(11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I don't think that's what is meant at all. They are saying the conditions which cause the current choices to be made are part of the potential which the overall social complex has provided at this time - down to every last person. The "craft" or "free energy" is allegory for the type of development required for self - that is the "embodiment" of the transcendent function. Why it holds fascination and even numinosity for so many. In other words, the ability to choose is the choice. That is what opens the gates.
Really? You think Ra was speaking allegorically? I think they were being quite literal. The technology we possess is "capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues [our] social memory complex" but it is being withheld because of "the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy."
It is, of course, true, that each needs to choose. But Ra said that wanderers incarnated, in part, in order to increase leisure time (through technological means) in order that people could contemplate the Law of One in conscious fashion.
Maybe you think that was a misguided goal? (Unity100 often argued so.) But to say that the "craft" are allegory for self-development seems unsupported in the Ra material.
(11-18-2011, 10:35 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The craft, or similar, are used by fourth- and early fifth-density entities that have not mastered travel by thought. They could be quite helpful here now.
I would make a distinction between the attempt to provide leisure time for the purpose of exploring evolution and the use of intelligent energy as a direct consequence of one's developed nature.
"The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos which, when carried much further, may evolve into technology capable of using the gravitic effects of which we spoke."
I indeed see the craft/free energy as metaphor, as did Jung. It is the apprehension of the "next step" which goes beyond the self-limiting principles we enforce upon ourselves as a society. "Enamored" is an apt description of the principle it conveys from the depths of the unconscious. We even see this energy projected into thought forms for those "who request such experience". This is the stuff of allegory.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - BrownEye - 11-19-2011
An electric motor coupled with an alternator/generator would output energy if the alternator is more efficient than the motor. If the motor does not need much energy to produce high torque, and the alternator is efficient, putting out much more than what it takes to turn it, that becomes free energy. At least until the brushes or bearings wear out.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-19-2011
Enamored is a choice word. It aptly describes my mental processes that occurred while watching the torus animations in the film. Then the conspiracies brought on depression and anger. Then the light at the end of the tunnel would have caused elation and hope, but I know better because I've gone down that dead end road too many times.
EDIT: Being enamored is quite enjoyable. I enjoyed it just as much the second time. Awwww, the dreamy possibilities.
@Pickle, it seems logically possible, in my non-engineeringly educated mind, to put enough varying gears together that would take a mouse exercise wheel up to something strong enough to run an alternator or more. Or a series of gears and davinci wheel-thingies.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-19-2011
(11-19-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Or what someone may consider to be "inspirational". After all, that which is considered inspirational is now in the category of that which is spiritual - that which is seen to provide for one's very salvation. And that which has a possible connection to one spiritual nature is quite sacred and can never be subject to any form of admonishment without being seen as a crushing blow, a negative circumventing attitude against evolution on this planet. What a transparent joke.
Yes, it is taken personally when one is simply trying to advocate the best possible method of approaching the truth. To evaluate the method is not equal to diminishing the positive intention of those attempting to create change. If there isn't any kind of accountability along the way, the approach will never evolve.
We need to be critical, especially since there is so much vulnerability in these times of change. People will attach to, and run away with ideas that keep them from being personally accountable. Those who are fully awake need to continually stress looking within. That's what we came here for.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zack231 - 11-20-2011
ok... This post has gone on for a lot long than I expected and has gone a little off topic.. We need to stop fighting over little things and think of the bigger picture.. For the un-awakened entity this documentary is a very good start even if it is a little bit cheesy, but the information is very fitting. I think we really need to look at the heart of what this film is pusjing regardless of your beliefs about it, it is a film that can help bring positive change.. And that is all we need it to do.. Zenmaster please if you do not agree with this film then that is perfectly fine, you are entitled to your opinion you don't need to fight with those that have a different opinion to you, they are also entitled to it.. The same goes for those getting heated over Zenmasters opinion.. Let it be and move on.. "Treat others the way you would like to be treated" for they are yourself!
Find ways to be of service not ways to fight over opinions on a film.. I think it is time for the thread to agree to disagree!
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-20-2011
Longer than expected? That's a good sign isn't it? Any publicity is good publicity.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zenmaster - 11-20-2011
(11-19-2011, 11:13 PM)Icaro Wrote: People will attach to, and run away with ideasThe idea of something then becomes infinitely more important than what the idea might ever provide if examined. Not just important, even sacred . Look at the defensive attitude when discernment is applied to certain symbolic elements which may be unconsciously activated by some entertainment, when that entertainment merely ambiguously refers to them.
So a mere idea becomes the extra-special secret (especially among "wanderers" it seems) which is placed in a locked golden box, over on a pedestal - just so - and its key is given to the collective.
The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon, but with identification or attachment they are indeed equated. And being so transfixed, or enamored (Marsilio Ficino, way back when, literally referred to that type of "love" as a "binding"), the attachment leads one into an inevitable confrontation with self. Such a confrontation is, of course, denied because the ego doesn't like the discomfort, and the role of savior/demon/angel/warden is unconsciously given over to the ether to be played back, over and over. The cycle continues.
(11-20-2011, 05:41 AM)zack231 Wrote: For the un-awakened entity this documentary is a very good start even if it is a little bit cheesy, but the information is very fitting. I think we really need to look at the heart of what this film is pusjing regardless of your beliefs about it, it is a film that can help bring positive change..Can bring positive change because you know it when you see it, wink-wink, no need to elaborate at all. More of the same old hand waving, finger-pointing, and propagation of innuendo. Who has bothered to provide a cogent review of what is being portrayed beyond vague sentiments? Basically a cut and paste and "I agree with the sentiments because it aligns with my particular societal dissatisfaction bias". "yeah, what they said" "They are a good mouth piece because they mentioned certain key words which resonated and made all sorts of suggestions which amazed me". Bought and sold.
Zack, if you say some show is amazing and one must watch it, be prepared for someone to question why. That's part of the dialog. I think the comments have generally been on topic and have not been "fighting".
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 10:41 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea of something then becomes infinitely more important than what the idea might ever provide if examined. Not just important, even sacred . Look at the defensive attitude when discernment is applied to certain symbolic elements which may be unconsciously activated by some entertainment, when that entertainment merely ambiguously refers to them.
As far as free energy goes, I have to wonder if there is any decision making on the part of the Confederation taking place.
For instance, if someone in the public sector is making advancements, I wonder if the government is advised to put a lid on it because there are too many unaddressed issues at the moment. Considering our karmic history, it's not totally unreasonable. They certainly wouldn't endorse murder, so I imagine those types of occurrences are negatively motivated.
If free energy really was the answer, then why hasn't positive influence overcome the negative? Is it relative to the overall bias of the peoples? Even though the planet is considered positive, the majority has yet to polarize. As strange as it sounds, it seems that the majority are content with the choices they've made so far.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zenmaster - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 02:04 PM)Icaro Wrote:Of course there is decision making going on with regards to any technology which has the power to support/destroy evolution here.(11-20-2011, 10:41 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea of something then becomes infinitely more important than what the idea might ever provide if examined. Not just important, even sacred . Look at the defensive attitude when discernment is applied to certain symbolic elements which may be unconsciously activated by some entertainment, when that entertainment merely ambiguously refers to them.
As far as free energy goes, I have to wonder if there is any decision making on the part of the Confederation taking place.
(11-20-2011, 02:04 PM)Icaro Wrote: For instance, if someone in the public sector is making advancements, I wonder if the government is advised to put a lid on it because there are too many unaddressed issues at the moment. Considering our karmic history, it's not totally unreasonable. They certainly wouldn't endorse murder, so I imagine those types of occurrences are negatively motivated.I would not doubt it. But it would seem they'd require unconventional aid in order to effectively put a lid on it, which would seem to constitute free-will abridgement.
(11-20-2011, 02:04 PM)Icaro Wrote: If free energy really was the answer, then why hasn't positive influence overcome the negative? Is it relative to the overall bias of the peoples?It is relative to the overall bias of the peoples - that's how "our own" ideas emerge to our consciousness - a shared "experiential nexus" - wanderer, transplant, and native alike. Any one individual can make a difference in possibility for perception, and that includes inklings of how intelligent energy may serve the population. There are also practical/mechanical aspects of the research that have little to do with polarity so much as insight, experience, skill, etc.
(11-20-2011, 02:04 PM)Icaro Wrote: Even though the planet is considered positive, the majority has yet to polarize. As strange as it sounds, it seems that the majority are content with the choices they've made so far.Creating viable "free energy" requires an understanding which goes well beyond that which is necessary for many types of learning and polarizing here. We are given precisely those problems to address which deal with the distortions we intend to alleviate. If these lessons are related to survival concerns, or real or imagined, then I believe there is less potential to experience the higher freedoms such as may be afforded by a new system of energy. There's a tacit social agreement which supports such focused learning.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Tenet Nosce - 11-20-2011
(11-19-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I call BS...
Call it what you will...
zenmaster Wrote:Yes, I follow the "fringe". I do not buy into the tenuous innuendo, however.
When you do this, you are essentially naming others to be liars. I am not talking of the "masses" who read a book or saw something on a website. I am talking of the actual people who have offered testimony.
Perhaps none of these people are personally known to you. But I have heard first hand from two different people who have encountered these types of experiences.
zemaster Wrote:Discernment should be encouraged so that we may learn something from what has been offered. But is that forthcoming, no.
I offered some criticisms, now 70 posts ago.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:Now... there are a few very shortcomings the presentation:
1. Little talk on the evolution of consciousness, or the link to technology.
2. No mention of religion as a primary control mechanism of the masses.
3. Promotes victim mentality. Yes... so humanity was manipulated by the ruling elite... but who is really responsible? The manipulators or the manipulated? The answer is both. But there is little talk of how humanity asked for cheap food, and then looked the other way as to how it was being produced. Or how Americans demanded cheap loans, and then took them even if they knew that couldn't pay them back.
4. No mention of anything subterranean with respect to the ET phenomenon.
EDIT: 5. No mention of ancient cultures which possessed advanced technologies.
So, either Foster is unaware of these things, or he chose not to speak about them. Either way, it is enough to warrant some real criticism. But not enough to dismiss the whole thing out of hand.
Also, might I mention again that there is a Fact Check section which outlines the sources for various statements made throughout the movie. So, perhaps it would be constructive for critics to argue against specific points, and demonstrate how the offered facts are wrong.
This might actually help to create some real value from this video, in contrast to bantering back and forth, as we are somewhat prone to do.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - zenmaster - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 05:23 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:Got to love the stretch employed. I think that's a significant part of the whole problem actually. The victim mindset truly lives on.zenmaster Wrote:Yes, I follow the "fringe". I do not buy into the tenuous innuendo, however.
When you do this, you are essentially naming others to be liars.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - BrownEye - 11-20-2011
Zen has a good point. If evolving is largely a movement of pulling oneself out of the muck, how would we evolve if everything was free with no work involved?
My personal view is to get back to nature, you are your own boss, you make your own hours.
Technology would come to a stop if it was free, did not wear out, lasted forever, did not have any room for improvement. It seems as if the rise of technology may have relied on how much we all consumed.
I think the future may actually hit a wall.
Quote: Of course there is decision making going on with regards to any technology which has the power to support/destroy evolution here.Evolution of technology could be looked at as wanting newer/better/more bells and whistles.
If we made things obsolete without a need for high replacement it would stop a lot of movement within the whole organism.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-20-2011
Ever see the movie Wall-E, Pickle?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - BrownEye - 11-20-2011
Yeah. Funny movie.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - yossarian - 11-20-2011
(11-19-2011, 07:05 PM)Icaro Wrote: I saw it the first time..I'm glad you agree. I just get the impression that we're not allowed to be critical of anything considered to be positive. Some are blunt, that's their choice but I can understand the frustration because information like this is not new at all. I've been watching conspiracy grow over the last 10 years now, and it is the same tired conversation. It's time that it evolves.
While acknowledging the positives, if I had to decide whether or not something like this is ultimately beneficial, I'd have to say it isn't because it is misleading. And I can say this because I was personally misled in the past. Luckily I had already been studying Eastern concepts and had accepted the idea of oneness before I came across conspiracy, but even then, I still became side-tracked.
No one needs to go on a long and unnecessary journey of seeking if we're just honest from the beginning. This is the frustration that I share. I am not trying to downplay anything positive, but if we don't continue to stress that which is ultimately important, conspiracy will never evolve.
Most people start their awakening by looking for answers to 3d questions. They gaze at the creation around them and ask why it is so disharmonious.
Since they are asking about 3d things, they are going to get 3d answers. If they're lucky the 3d answers lead to deeper questions and spiritual things.
The nature of the human game though is that we work with 3d stuffs first.
When people start to choose how to respond to the 3d information synchronicity will deliver deeper materials.
Thrive is great because it is a bridge between normal consciousness and the awakening process.
You're right that it probably offers primarily distraction for people here. I think everyone here is probably distracted from the Ra Material too much in general. Me being very guilty of this.
The moment contains love. See this love in awareness and understanding. Repeat. This is the greatest exercise for acceleration toward the Law of One.
If life is a game of Snakes and Ladders, Ra is our Ladder and Thrive is our Snake.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - AnthroHeart - 11-20-2011
Pickle, good point on stopping movement. But is it possible to invent everything that can ever be invented?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - 3DMonkey - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 07:22 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Pickle, good point on stopping movement. But is it possible to invent everything that can ever be invented?
Probably not. I know I've imagined many things that aren't invented, and probably won't be.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - BrownEye - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 07:22 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Pickle, good point on stopping movement. But is it possible to invent everything that can ever be invented?
I think in a mechanical sense yeah. That may be the timeline 0 mckenna tried to explain. Of course, we could move on more adding metaphysical into invention. It would last a bit longer then. But, at the end do you suppose the reset button is pushed?
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - Namaste - 11-20-2011
Thanks for the bite, ZM, but I think you missed the point: you appear to judge other's efforts to help.
I'm pretty sure I'm not projecting this, as many of your words as of late have been rather derogatory. A relevant example:
zenmaster Wrote:My idea of "love" or "acceptance" is not reduced to completely superficial agreement and useless indulgence. Such is the tacit standard that has been set. So be it. Most of the attacks back on me have been also superficially groundless and mainly based on defense of transient "ideas" which are perceived to have an overly important impact on the welfare of society. (and therefore quite a sacred cow due to the zealot's unconsciously associated transcendent principle underlying their secret bias) It's usually utter bullshit, of course, as ideas - the imagination - are not real. "Wanderers", who you'd think would know better, are enmeshed in the same drama - the same allegory of the cave - and due to lack of discernment are largely responsible for propogating distraction and sleep due to their fantasy-prone, ungrounded, natures.
Firstly, the path of STO balancing includes acceptance (the following quote was in reply to Don's question about how one can balance in order to offer healing).
Ra Wrote:Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.
Quite clear here, judgement creates distortions. Acceptance (the validity of another's thought/word/deed) smooths said distortions out.
Secondly, the effect of peace (love) has been conclusively documented to reduce violence/aggression across the planet, on many occasions, by many independent researchers and groups.
That doesn't mean being a healer, a counsellor or a spiritual teacher. It means to choose love in the moment wherever you are, or whatever you're doing, to contribute positive frequencies of energies to this planet, rather than negative self serving ones.
Some people are entirely optimistic. I am one of them :¬)
But you know what? Distortions and all, they are passionate about making positive changes in this world and helping others, and most do so from a place of love.
An intellectual understanding of the Law of One and the nature of catalyst won't cut it. Indifference won't cut it, either, as Ra clearly states here:
Ra Wrote:The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.
Ra himself mentions this is not the density of understanding. It's the density of choice.
If you find that "completely superficial agreement and useless indulgence" then so be it, we do indeed have very different ideas about how to be of service.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - BrownEye - 11-20-2011
Machines tend to use patterns made up of parts. If you think of a circle, what is the limit of sizes and variations of a circle? Just apply that to any manufactured good. There is only so much variability in each individual shape or size.
Ideas too far "ahead of time" will be controlled.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 04:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I would not doubt it. But it would seem they'd require unconventional aid in order to effectively put a lid on it, which would seem to constitute free-will abridgement.
Yes, I was thinking the free-will violation is the only issue. It's either carried out through the negative agenda, or there is a part of our hierarchy that is actually well-intentioned. Any action taken by those on Earth would preserve free-will.
Quote:Creating viable "free energy" requires an understanding which goes well beyond that which is necessary for many types of learning and polarizing here. We are given precisely those problems to address which deal with the distortions we intend to alleviate. If these lessons are related to survival concerns, or real or imagined, then I believe there is less potential to experience the higher freedoms such as may be afforded by a new system of energy. There's a tacit social agreement which supports such focused learning.
Having spent several years considering all the angles to this question, and processing all the emotions, it seems we have a lot to resolve before free energy enters the picture.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-20-2011
(11-19-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I would disagree.
OK, let's agree to disagree then.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - yossarian - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 08:23 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-19-2011, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I would disagree.
OK, let's agree to disagree then.
I propose we agree to disagree about agreeing to disagree
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - native - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 06:39 PM)yossarian Wrote: Thrive is great because it is a bridge between normal consciousness and the awakening process.
I don't doubt that it will stir a certain amount of people. My issue is the emphasis placed on conspiracy. It is everywhere now, and a lot of people are being misled. Videos/projects/websites like this are going to be more and more common.
While acknowledging the benefits, we have to emphasize constructive criticism so the dialogue shifts into something more useful.
RE: "Thrive" is amazing must watch! - βαθμιαίος - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 09:18 PM)yossarian Wrote: I propose we agree to disagree about agreeing to disagree
I disagree.