Quote:Questioner: I am going to make a statement and ask you to comment on its degree of accuracy. I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

(12-08-2011, 07:11 AM)Namaste Wrote: Identifying with what one would deem 'better' for all is the keystone for service to others.

(12-08-2011, 07:11 AM)Namaste Wrote: There is a fine line between indifference and compassion.

Wanting to help someone for the 'better' is part of third density; opening the heart. It's how you balance.

(12-08-2011, 10:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 07:11 AM)Namaste Wrote: Identifying with what one would deem 'better' for all is the keystone for service to others.

Identifying like Hitler did?

Identification or belief in some idea or way itself does not necessarily have a basis in 'living from the heart'. Most often, it's in the form of an idea attachment which obviously promotes separation. I wonder how you would say such separation is a 'service to others'. As we know, sincerely believing that one is promoting their identifications in a positive manner, one that is 'service to others', may easily be as a road to hell paved with good intentions. Don't you think there's an important distinction between some belief seeming to be 'service to others' and something actually promoting that 'polarity'.

"The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others."

(12-08-2011, 02:29 PM)Diana Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 07:11 AM)Namaste Wrote: There is a fine line between indifference and compassion.

Namaste, thank you so much for the excellent Ra quote.

(12-08-2011, 04:52 PM)Namaste Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 10:34 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 07:11 AM)Namaste Wrote: Identifying with what one would deem 'better' for all is the keystone for service to others.

Identifying like Hitler did?

Identification or belief in some idea or way itself does not necessarily have a basis in 'living from the heart'. Most often, it's in the form of an idea attachment which obviously promotes separation. I wonder how you would say such separation is a 'service to others'. As we know, sincerely believing that one is promoting their identifications in a positive manner, one that is 'service to others', may easily be as a road to hell paved with good intentions. Don't you think there's an important distinction between some belief seeming to be 'service to others' and something actually promoting that 'polarity'.

"The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others."

Or Ghandi, Jesus, Mother Teresa, Tesla etc.

You seem to forget that third density is not the density of understanding, it's for experience.

(12-08-2011, 04:52 PM)Namaste Wrote: Take away the experience, or action, and this density would lose it's value.

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(12-08-2011, 10:44 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The zealotry and exaggeration, applied to whatever cause, are often completely accepted as evidence of a 'positive' understanding, when in fact it's an indication of confused imbalance. Such a position is an example of lack of honesty and overextension of actual experience which is, of course, damaging. It should be obvious that conspiracy theories are spawned by compelling ideas of possibility (freedom, health, etc) which have been 'taken away' by some headless group. Social balance starts with individual balance, not with such ungrounded detachments.

Quote:11.19 Questioner: Can you name any names that may be known on the planet that are recipients of the crusaders’ efforts?

Ra: I am Ra. I am desirous of being in nonviolation of the free will distortion. To name those involved in the future of your space/time is to infringe; thus, we withhold this information. We request your contemplation of the fruits of the actions of those entities whom you may observe enjoying the distortion towards power. In this way you may discern for yourself this information. We shall not interfere with the, shall we say, planetary game. It is not central to the harvest.

Quote:8.11 Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes?

Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

(12-09-2011, 12:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: However, wouldn't it be fair to say that Ra believes in conspiracies?

(12-09-2011, 12:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I don't think there can be any question that there are many conspiracies designed to increase the power of the few at the expense of the many. That is a basic aspect of service-to-self work at this time.

(12-09-2011, 12:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The question is what the most appropriate response to that reality is, and there I agree that meditation, balancing, and working with catalyst are essential and fundamental. For me, Ra's casual acknowledgment that a technological breakthrough is possible (indeed, has already been achieved) increased my awareness of our potential. Focusing on who is denying us that potential is not necessarily helpful, but awareness of the potential may be, especially if it encourages inventors, engineers, scientists, and theorists to push beyond the limits of the current conventional wisdom.

(12-09-2011, 01:37 AM)zenmaster Wrote: My position with respect to conspiracies has never been that they don't exist, or that they somehow should not be investigated. It's when one takes a particular conspiracy idea which is merely seen to be plausible, a possibility, and claim it to be true (historically, currently) and, from such a premise, divisive action to 'correct' the fabricated imbalance is taken - by promoting or acting upon such a fundamental dishonesty.

What is morally wrong is the perception that the ends are seen to justify the means in order to fulfill an agenda. The ends are getting people to 'wake up' to some 'now-exposed' reality 'X' using the utterly dishonest vehicle of a guessed or imagined idea. Which of course is made compelling by free-association with and appeal to internal symbols of mystery, power, and transcendence. The needlessly confused premise can not be excused, because there are always real alternatives coming from and bridging to something from actual, less 'tainted', disciplined experience, substantiated, more accepting, balanced and viable.

(12-09-2011, 01:37 AM)zenmaster Wrote: My position with respect to conspiracies has never been that they don't exist, or that they somehow should not be investigated.

Quote:It's when one takes a particular conspiracy idea which is merely seen to be plausible, a possibility, and claim it to be true (historically, currently) and, from such a premise, divisive action to 'correct' the fabricated imbalance is taken - by promoting or acting upon such a fundamental dishonesty.

Gospel of Thomas Wrote:2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

Quote:What is morally wrong is the perception that the ends are seen to justify the means in order to fulfill an agenda. The ends are getting people to 'wake up' to some 'now-exposed' reality 'X' using the utterly dishonest vehicle of a guessed or imagined idea.

Quote:there are always real alternatives coming from and bridging to something from actual, less 'tainted', disciplined experience, substantiated, more accepting, balanced and viable.

(12-09-2011, 11:59 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm curious -- this particular form of hypocrisy seems to bother you more than others. At least, I've noticed you post about it a number times. You don't need to answer this, of course, but why choose this specific windmill to tilt at, given all the other examples of dishonesty in service of agendas that are out there?

(12-10-2011, 12:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But the suspicion is then not enough, a fabricated dynamic - a story, a rumor, is then created to paint a picture or 'frame' the separate, actual situation in such a way that my agenda gains more sympathy.

Quote:Firstly, she had me understand that part of the conspiracy theories were true (how cliche). She said there was a group of people who had power and we not elected who decided a long time ago that a crisis was coming that they could not control (im paraphrasing her words for simplicity). She said that they made plans long ago to build installations underground because there was a percieved threat to them and that they were building "just to be safe".

She said it started out back in the 1860->1862 that the two people who started a group to establish research for ufo's and aliens. She said back then these few men did not have any authority over anything but were a small project started to study the phenomena. She said around the 1900's they gained importance and were granted a budget and became a small department and were in charge of budgets (small time) to organize the "structures" (i have no clue what she meant but thats what she said) to more easily collect information about aliens. She said from here on they grew rapidly and already had a good wealth of information but very little technology. She said in the early 1920's different groups like hers made contact but were rejected and that the different aliens started revealing informations about themselves. She said this made the now established but mildly influencial department/group/affair department VERY paranoid (I have no clue how to put that idea into a word that would fit).

She didn't explain why but she said they became very concerned that they were not going to survive and they began building in excess underground installations. She said they were very paranoid about aliens. She said that some of the groups revealed to them the future and this was why. She said by the time the so called famous 1947 roswell incident happened. They were already well established and had overiding control over the branches of military. She said several things about the controlling group changed and they became desperate to gather technology and make deals to advance both the public and the non-public sciences. She said they for example couldn't land anywhere on the earth without being detected almost immediately and that there was very few places they could arrive without the phasing technology that kept them protected, She said there should be stories about the armed forces intercepting arrivals very quickly (yeah i looked and there was.)

She said that by the 1940's the non-public science was already more advanced in ideas than the public was in the 1960's onward. She said as time passed the Groups like hers and "the others" began to spy on them in the underground sessions they had and kept pace with the knowledge that was being retrieved. She said the only reason she revealed technologies to me was because it was already knowledge that was known on the earth and in the non-public sciences. She said there was nothing to lose by showing me what was already known. She said the cabal (she changes the title at this point.) would meet underground and in the 80's were planning what was known as artificial terror. She said they wanted to play "the game of the gods" (why she called it that I dont know).

She described this "game" as a game that many races including hers and her faction had played with humanity. She said in the old days on earth they would even fight openly (yeah right!) between them and "the others". She said "the others" (greys/pleiadeans/whatever) would implant and manipulate thoughts and start religions and create wars over them to decimate mankind so that they would not evolve beyond a certain point. She said her groups way of thinking was to introduce a counter movement to spread knowledge and stabalize the religions or impart knowledge to dismantle "the others" plans. She said there was a lot of instability with these fights and the people on the earth became very "fractured" from the constant introduction of ideas and counter ideas.

She said eventually "the others" and Thier groups were stopped by a third group of aliens. (she does not describe them in detail or otherwise.) She said the third group did not care for either side but wanted them to stop interfering. She said this group was very powerful and that even if the two sides went against the third group they would not win. She made it sound like they didn't have a hope in hell united, let alone apart. She said they both agreed to an uneasy peace that they would not interfere. She said this stopped the interference to a large part.

"The others" still kept starting movements in very small ways to keep people at war. Then her people's side would go to the third group and the third group would allow interference from their side and they would start a counter movement. She said this slowed down the idealogy war but did not stop it. She said the earth was already very divided in many ideals and fronts but both generally obeyed.

She said the bible was one example of being edited and re-edited (i dont believe her on this but i used to.). She said that around the time she was telling me this the amnesty bewteen both factions was ending. I asked her why amnesty if I thought that was used only for immigrants. She insisted on the word amnesty (I looked it up in the dictionary since i didn't know what it mean't hrug. She said that once the amnesty was lifted that "the others" would immediately go back to trying to control mankind. She said they were worried about what might happen if "The Others" came first to humanity. She said they were pretty sure that they would. They were preparing themselves and alot of them were leaving because she said a war between them was likely to happen.

She said in the future many things would happen. Which I will post in another post rather than this one so I dont break the long a$$ "truth" she left me with.

First, She said "the others" would go back out into space and make an entrance, as if they were not here already. She said this would allow them a clean entrance and blame the rest of the past on aliens from her faction. She said they would probably go and pick the people amoung them who were human-like. She said this is what abductions and grey experimentation was trying to bring about for a long time (thousand of years into the past when a couple of races handed us as a project down or abandoned us.). She said the human-like beings were either slaves who would talk very little or geniune people of hers and others who look like humans who had an agenda to control humanity and stop it's progress.

She said the others were itching to stop our progress because at a certain point we would be acknowledge-able as indpendent beings. She said on her world about 60% of her kind thought of human kind as an experiment to be observed but generally do not care one way or the other. Roughly, 30% constitute "the others" mentality. While she said, the minority consititute her point of view 14%).

She said when "the others" arrived they would do what would look like miracles to mankind (of this she kept talking about) and they expected the people on earth to quickly believe "the others". She said "the others" were likely going to present themselves as being Gods. She said this would lead to human beings accepting them as the leaders. She said that because "the others" would very likely choose human-like front men with their powers intact. The genetic manipulations both factions had commited to, a long time ago, would cause human beings to give in very quickly. She said a long time ago when other races had lost interest in humanity they picked up and modified humanity to be planet squaters (my word interpretation but pretty accurate.).

She said the reason that human beings become very easy to manipulate when they see a pretty person is because they are pre-programmed genetically to have this behavior. She said this was an easy trick back when people were very primitive and they wanted workers and slaves. She said that before those projects were ended that the aliens modified the human beings more to create a very xenophobic response to other aliens. And that human beings were given the cultural push to breed at will. She said this way both factions past founders could prevent other aliens from occupying the earth in the open; nor the human beings from helping them. She said that some of that has degraded over time but it was still a dominant trait. That was the reason some aliens use greys as front men because it is less problamatic and they are humaniod enough to be accepted when they continue the experiments on mankind.

The next interesting bit she said was that "the others" needed contactees for the future. She said some of the grey experiments are about how human beings react to certain situations and that the greys were looking for weaknesses and lessening the possiblity that the human beings they choose will have conflict against them when they bring about their "arrival". She said some of those human beings would be "go-betweens" in the contacts with those who follow "the others". She said "the others" needed a close enough....spokesman...to represent thier interest and that the association with these beings would elevate these human beings to a higher status. She said that is why alot of "the others" choose human beings who will readily accept a title or illusions of granduer and are usually told they are "the one".

She said that both sides could be accused of this since they both engage in a little bit of everything. Hers supposed alot less (yeah right!). She said "the others" would institue a government where there would be three tiers of contactee's; the local, regional, and the special few. She said the locals would be in charge of their smaller communities while the regional would have limited contact with the aliens directly and the special few are supposed to be less than 25 (fuzzy) who would have to represent thier slab of the world. She said "the others" would divide the world up into sections and each "special contactee" would be in charge of it. She said "the special contactees" would also have very high abilities endowed to them (pet slaves anyone?)

She said the first thing "the others" would do is stop progressing technology. She said they would introduce their own technology to produce energy but that it would be off limits to human beings and that they would fix alot of the earths problems as long as they could coerce power from the former leaders of the governments. She said the few skeptical human beings would probably by that time be thinking they are "gods" because they would take the time to display their powers which she said is common knowledge to everyone except human beings who don't see those things.

She goes on to explain to me how miracles (or seemingly miracles) are performed and that this will impress many. This is where she warned me about not listening to "what they say" but "seeing what they do" if I have doubts as to which side they represent. She said any alien could say anything. She said actions though would easily reveal their true intent. She said "the others" would quickly order the executions of millions of people world wide who would not obey them because of religion. She said since these people on earth who would believe them would think they are "doing the right thing" and have the backing of "the Gods" they would turn in their neighbors to be executed. She said that if people knew the future they would not want any part of it. She explained that the reason why "the others" will win over so many is because they will give people what they want and create a new super religion. She said the religion will unite pieces of old religions and that they will lie and say they are the Gods of the old religions and that they will create a new one and even spin lies that they created mankind.

She said people won't notice it but they will be tricked into alot of manipulative situations. And she said if people accept them then there is nothing they can do except watch. Im sure I left out some things.

She said this is why (at the time they were racing to "prepare") to present themselves anyway. She said because her people were the minority that they would not have much of a chance in changing the minds of people but she said they would try. She said at the time that there was a big debate as to whether her faction should come in first or second, because they did not know which would yield the best results. She said when her faction did come that they would show up shortly after the others most likely, and they would present to the world their side of the case. She said they would show mankind what they could of how the miracles were happening and how they came to be and even perform for them to see. That they were not miracles, but common understandings and knowledge shared by both sides.

She said her faction would also reveal information and the truth to people at this time but the general consensus was that the human beings of the future would be unlikely to believe them. I asked her why "the others" would let them make their case? She said because of the third group they would have to allow it or the third group would probably come in quickly and put them in their place or worse. (Squish)

She said that they had a growing fear, that if the people of the earth did side with her faction. That then "the others" in spite, would burn the earth while leaving. She said this was a likely possibility.

(12-10-2011, 08:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 12:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But the suspicion is then not enough, a fabricated dynamic - a story, a rumor, is then created to paint a picture or 'frame' the separate, actual situation in such a way that my agenda gains more sympathy.

I'm curious to know if you would consider this following story a "fabricated dynamic". Particularly since you previously recommended for me to read it. Would you consider this all BS? Or?

(12-11-2011, 03:56 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 08:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 12:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But the suspicion is then not enough, a fabricated dynamic - a story, a rumor, is then created to paint a picture or 'frame' the separate, actual situation in such a way that my agenda gains more sympathy.

I'm curious to know if you would consider this following story a "fabricated dynamic". Particularly since you previously recommended for me to read it. Would you consider this all BS? Or?

An example of 'negative' influence. BS? To the extent that no backing info was provided. Fore knows this, of course.

(12-11-2011, 07:16 AM)_X7 Wrote: Wow.... I'm surprised that the film of this thread is judged on a basis of a deep life-changer for the public. If it was analysed by this standard, then a person "under any film spell" might latch on to TV or upon nearly any whim. I thought of it merely as a potential ice breaker or after burner. To contrast systems as they are with systems purportedly made a little more free.... There are plenty of energy conserving systems ignored and pushed away from markets. Yes the film is too much work for the lazy. There are many repressed systems which could improve life, but instead are unpleasantly destroyed or lazily ignored. Or perhaps real effort is plain shunned. I favor exposures of competing paradigms-of-possibilities which compare alternatives to the currently failing paradigm. In this case it somewhat challenges the failing promises of golden parachutes or false laurels promised for old age. It's just a little heads up, to take a walk around the block. To see what can been seen.

(12-11-2011, 11:51 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 03:56 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 08:46 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 12:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But the suspicion is then not enough, a fabricated dynamic - a story, a rumor, is then created to paint a picture or 'frame' the separate, actual situation in such a way that my agenda gains more sympathy.

I'm curious to know if you would consider this following story a "fabricated dynamic". Particularly since you previously recommended for me to read it. Would you consider this all BS? Or?

An example of 'negative' influence. BS? To the extent that no backing info was provided. Fore knows this, of course.

I see. I must have not got to that part but... does Fore explain why this woman would take great pains to deceive him repeatedly over the course of 20-30 years. It just seems a little egocentric for him to think a being of her intelligence level would bother with him to such a degree.

(12-11-2011, 11:51 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Interestingly, I have seen zenmaster forward arguments that movies like this are basically ineffectual, then later claims that they are actually harmful to society and slow the process of true spiritual growth. It seems to me like it would be one or the other, but not both.

(12-11-2011, 12:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes he does, you'd indeed have your answers addressed in his own words.

Quote:'4D' thinking is so far beyond what we are used to that it's not possible to see an actual 'agenda' (as if our 3D notion of 'agenda' is even applicable?) and we are almost always 'wrong' in interpreting motive - hence the disinfo which I keep bringing up at this time. We do not 'strategize' like they do. There is the surface story and there are deeper elements at work. The overall intent, positive or negative however, is influence (as Ra said).

Quote: How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

(12-11-2011, 11:51 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: At any rate... considering how many Americans will spend the most of today watching large men in colored tights chase a pig skin around a large field of grass while surrounded by tens of thousands of screaming idiots... I have a really hard time seeing how movies like "Thrive!" are the REAL problem as far as society goes.

(12-11-2011, 12:44 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 12:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes he does, you'd indeed have your answers addressed in his own words.

Well, so far it is kind of a needle in a haystack. It has taken me several hours to get through three pages. And I am an exceedingly fast reader. Can you tell me where, specifically, he addresses this?

(12-11-2011, 12:44 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But getting back to Thrive... basically it says that the governments of the world answer to transnational corporations, who answer to energy companies, who answer to central banks. I don't see what is so dubious about these claims.

(12-11-2011, 12:44 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As for the "why" or the motive... it doesn't really suggest anything one way or another. According to my understanding, the motive is based on the idea that if humanity had free energy, we would continue to breed out of control and destroy the planet. Also, governments are scared (perhaps rightly so) that some whack-job with a tabletop free energy device would use it for destructive purposes.

(12-11-2011, 12:44 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As for "why" the Logos and Crew "allow" the suppression of technology by the negative elite, it is precisely because their fears are correct. At least until humanity reaches a certain level of spiritual awareness. It would appear we are nearly approaching- or even have now crossed- that threshold.

(12-11-2011, 12:44 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote: How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

Sounds like typical Wanderer stuff to me. I've got a whole book of similar stories here called The Three Waves of Volunteers and the New Earth by Dolores Cannon. It is chock-full of similar stories acquired through hypnosis... especially about how physical life is viewed from the "other side".

There are many pieces in that book that also corroborate what this Pleiadian woman was relating to Fore. Not just Pleiadians though... all manner of different types of beings are basically telling the same story.

If they are all wrong, and trying to trick us, I mean WOW that has got to be the biggest conspiracy of all eternity. The whole galaxy is in on it!

(12-11-2011, 12:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: For crying out loud, ineffectual towards the ends which are being claimed.

Quote:Where they do suggest 'free energy', they have stooped to bringing on outspoken conspiracy people who incorporate a consequentialist (immoral) agenda - that's 'negative'.

Quote:As far as I can tell, Greer's organization will promote disinfo if it serves their ends. As you can plainly see, they did a 180 on the alleged, secret, insider-info United Nations UFO meeting attended by basically all nations. First denied by him as BS, then fully embraced (once it was determined to be completely unfalsifiable no doubt). If you followed that particular story a few years ago, you'd see how it evolved in response to probing, in order to create something seemingly plausible. Vallée also saw right through it.

Quote:Six former U.S. Air Force officers and one former enlisted man will break their silence about these events [shutdown of nuclear weapons by ETs] at the National Press Club and urge the government to publicly confirm their reality.

Quote:As you may know, Greer believes ET contact has been and is of a positive nature - that's not as in 'looking on the bright side', he doesn't believe negative exists at that level.

Quote:The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle.

Matthew 10:34-36 Wrote:Think not that I am come to send peace on earth. I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to `set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.' And `a man's foes shall be they of his own household.'

Gospel of Thomas, Verse 16 Wrote:Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war.

For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."

(12-11-2011, 12:53 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yeah, sports fans being entertained vs somewhat polarized, or 'poised-to-be awakened' 'seekers' being given a prejudicial map filled with conspiracy lies and pre-rational, magical thinking.

Quote:That's pointing out the obvious, no one would disagree. Who said anything about dubious?

zenmaster Wrote:'seekers' being given a prejudicial map filled with conspiracy lies

Quote:du·bi·ous/ˈd(y)o͞obēəs/
Adjective:

Hesitating or doubting.
Not to be relied upon; suspect.

Synonyms:
doubtful - uncertain - questionable - shady - equivocal

Quote:If humanity had free energy, there would be an excess heat problem on a scale beyond imagination. Our devices and machines, which use electricity, are not superconductors. There would be a huge security problem, since most of the limiting factors for weapons delivery have to do with cost and engineering of the power source. And of course, the possible weapons themselves.

Quote:ScienceDaily (Nov. 23, 2011) — Stanford researchers have used nanoparticles of a copper compound to develop a high-power battery electrode that is so inexpensive to make, so efficient and so durable that it could be used to build batteries big enough for economical large-scale energy storage on the electrical grid -- something researchers have sought for years.

zenmaster Wrote:It may just be a 'good idea' that such tech is withheld at this time when we could die rather quickly as a direct consequence of its dissemination.

Quote:We haven't.

Quote:Yes, it's typical wanderer stuff. There are many 'contactees'. However, certainly not many with quite that level of detail and involvement.

(12-11-2011, 01:25 PM)Diana Wrote: I disliked the movie "The Secret," and felt that the messages were too sensationalized and simplistic; and could have caused harm to undiscerning people who came away from it thinking that they could just wish for something and it would fall from heaven. But on the other hand, it did put out into the mainstream the concept that there was more to life than being a victim.

Quote:In the case of Thrive, however one might disagree with the way it was put together--melodramatic music to engage the emotions for example, which may be thought of as manipulative--it still served to give a vision of a gentler, more productive, and equal way to live (not to say that it was the pinnacle of anything).

Quote:And I agree with TN that the main points of the controlling elite, corporations and the rest of the hierarchy, are arguably valid.

(12-11-2011, 02:03 PM)_X7 Wrote: Apparently you assume that many inventors want to energize heat machines with free energy . Yes indeed, that would be a ridiculous outcome, to over heat the planet. However, you miss the goal of many inventors and theorists who rather envision a heat-free energy-system, much akin to the evolution of the light bulb.

(12-11-2011, 12:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes he does, you'd indeed have your answers addressed in his own words.

Quote:I've read the entire thread (you can see my comments therein), we've had IM discussions.

Quote:How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

(12-11-2011, 09:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

Why do you say that it seems like a free-will abridgement?

(12-11-2011, 06:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 02:03 PM)_X7 Wrote: Apparently you assume that many inventors want to energize heat machines with free energy . Yes indeed, that would be a ridiculous outcome, to over heat the planet. However, you miss the goal of many inventors and theorists who rather envision a heat-free energy-system, much akin to the evolution of the light bulb.

Regardless of what the futurists speculate about, there is no solution. (There is no problem either yet). The (very real) potential problem is (intelligently) discussed at 48m30s into this older show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vghjGwvmrqE&t=48m30s

(12-12-2011, 01:43 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 09:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:How could such a special situation be allowed when it seems like a free-will abridgment?

Why do you say that it seems like a free-will abridgement?

It appears that much of his learning was not self-determined, or seeded from this 'experiential nexus'. For example, the 'advisor' would change things in his mind, as he slept, apparently. The stories, the training. But then again, as Ra said, they commonly 'get away' with programming people for their use, so there would seem to be some kind of mutual exchange involved. He may very well be part of the 'new breed' and therefore have different balancing concerns.

(12-12-2011, 02:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I could see myself in a similar pre-incarnative scenario being a bit overconfident in what I thought I could handle. Like taking an attitude that says "Bring it on!" not fully realizing how dense physicality on earth can be. Then getting here and going- "Oh crap. I don't remember signing up for this!"