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do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Plenum - 02-10-2015
that seems a really weird question to ask, right?
but let's take a look at the function of sleep, and more specifically, the dreaming:
Quote:The activity of dreaming is an activity in which there is made a finely wrought and excellently fashioned bridge from conscious to unconscious.
In this state the various distortions which have occurred in the energy web of the body complex, due to the misprecision with which energy influxes have been received, are healed.
With the proper amount of dreaming comes the healing of these distortions. Continued lack of this possibility can cause seriously distorted mind/body/spirit complexes.
so sleeping/dreaming, at heart, is about healing various distortions that have occurred due to a misalignment of action.
but if someone is fully aware, are they not in full alignment? would they not get out of sync in the conscous state which necessitates the reforming of the conscious-unconscious bridge in which to dream? In other words, would such an individual already be fully connected to their unconscious?
I do remember reading in I Am That, that the western world gives too much emphasis on the conscious state, and does not value the unconscious state (ie sleep) enough. Perhaps that attitude is seeping through into my question about requiring/needing less sleep.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - anagogy - 02-11-2015
I believe that Nisargadatta also said that in the awakened mind the barrier between the unconscious and the conscious is dissolved.
Robert Monroe, in his last book "Ultimate Journey", claimed that on one of his astral sojourns he asked his higher self to show him the most advanced person physically living on the Earth at the time, and he came into contact with a man in his astral form who had only had one incarnation on Earth, but had not been recycled (lived multiple lives). He had lived something like 1300 years, and no longer ate or slept, and had unimaginable powers and stuck around because "he liked people". He acted as a facilitator or "organizer of energies".
Monroe described his perception of his energy signature as a perfect balance between masculine and feminine, so much so that he nicknamed him "Heshe".
So your supposition is probably a valid one.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Plenum - 02-11-2015
wow, great story!
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - tamaryn - 02-11-2015
I believe such a person able to perceive both their unconscious and conscious in full non-duality would have a very interesting dream state.
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj did describe in I Am That that his dreaming was no different from his waking state - or he carried the exact same awareness lucidly with him that he did while he was awake. But I don't remember him describing what he did or where he went.
People I do know who are very in tune with their spirituality and particularly their 'masters' or 'guides' describe a dream state of constant higher workings. Which I interpreted as doing much 4th density work on this earth's training sphere.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 12:42 AM)tamaryn Wrote: I believe such a person able to perceive both their unconscious and conscious in full non-duality would have a very interesting dream state.
Not to mention the ability to shape and form 3rd density reality.
A full 4th density understanding or perspective offers a de-lineated interaction with timelines.
A being working from 4th density awareness perceives a 'time loop', where 3rd density experiences a linear 'flow' of time.
We hear the term "end of duality" being used in new age type circles. My interpretation is that not only is conscious/subconscious awareness in the process of amalgamation but also the male/female aspects.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - seven - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 12:42 AM)tamaryn Wrote: Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj did describe in I Am That that his dreaming was no different from his waking state - or he carried the exact same awareness lucidly with him that he did while he was awake. But I don't remember him describing what he did or where he went.
Ram Dass tells a similar story in Be Here Now about this man who he hung around with in india who never seemed to sleep. He would be sitting in meditations over nights and it seemed he never really "lost his state".
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 03:14 AM)Ashim Wrote:(02-11-2015, 12:42 AM)tamaryn Wrote: I believe such a person able to perceive both their unconscious and conscious in full non-duality would have a very interesting dream state.
Not to mention the ability to shape and form 3rd density reality.
A full 4th density understanding or perspective offers a de-lineated interaction with timelines.
A being working from 4th density awareness perceives a 'time loop', where 3rd density experiences a linear 'flow' of time.
We hear the term "end of duality" being used in new age type circles. My interpretation is that not only is conscious/subconscious awareness in the process of amalgamation but also the male/female aspects.
triality is when u rise above duality. it's like a triangle.
can u elaborate on the time loop?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 09:43 AM)Bluebell Wrote:(02-11-2015, 03:14 AM)Ashim Wrote:(02-11-2015, 12:42 AM)tamaryn Wrote: I believe such a person able to perceive both their unconscious and conscious in full non-duality would have a very interesting dream state.
Not to mention the ability to shape and form 3rd density reality.
A full 4th density understanding or perspective offers a de-lineated interaction with timelines.
A being working from 4th density awareness perceives a 'time loop', where 3rd density experiences a linear 'flow' of time.
We hear the term "end of duality" being used in new age type circles. My interpretation is that not only is conscious/subconscious awareness in the process of amalgamation but also the male/female aspects.
triality is when u rise above duality. it's like a triangle.
can u elaborate on the time loop?
When catalyst is recycled it forms a karmic loop of unresolved conflict or issues involving particular souls that maintain close binds to each other.
I guess you could say "pattern of behaviour" but that would not be quite accurate.
Obviously from 'outside of time' the mechanism that creates it can be seen. These are the loops.
When catalyst is integrated and distortion worked off then the loop is able to spiral into a less distorted state.
Then the 'time' required by the entity to become fully balanced is reduced.
The 'knot of fear' at the core of the metaphysical planetary spiral then resists this loosening by drawing on the negative pole and further binding entities by their negative thoughts and actions towards each other. This is what causes the so called 'heating up of the polarities' and is the reason why negativity should be integrated and not fled from.
As Jung suggested, it is a path to enlightenment but not a very popular one.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-11-2015
is there another one?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Stranger - 02-11-2015
Here are Quo's thoughts on this topic. 2011.4.9
Quote:The sleep state of an entity in fourth density could more be related to that of your deep meditation in third density. There lacks the confusion and the reorientation between the sleep state and the wake states in fourth density. Indeed, on your planet there are those currently existing in third density who do not require the sleep state as such, but have access to tap into the nourishment of being acquired normally in the dream state, by going into this form of deep meditation. We use the term “nourishment” because the self demands reconnection with a more pure state of being and this is true on every level of density from third to fourth, fifth and so on.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - jody - 02-11-2015
this is an L/L channeling of Hatton from 1974
there is information here regarding the nature of sleep. I apologize for not being tech savvy enough to post the actual quote but if you read the session it will be clear.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_0209.aspx
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-11-2015
Can anyone see a connection between "what you do and think during the day" and
"what you do and think whilst dreaming"?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - AnthroHeart - 02-11-2015
I do taboo things in my dreams, but I am also afraid while doing them. They make perfect sense to me.
I was also given a good idea for a movie in a dream.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:03 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I do taboo things in my dreams, but I am also afraid while doing them. They make perfect sense to me.
I was also given a good idea for a movie in a dream.
This came to mind.
Quote: These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Minyatur - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 05:50 PM)Ashim Wrote: Can anyone see a connection between "what you do and think during the day" and
"what you do and think whilst dreaming"?
During the day I think many things and while dreaming I am totally unconcious of all things. The night seems like mere seconds. Hard to see a connection there.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-11-2015
i'm getting those multilevel ones lately, going to sleep in my dream, dreaming something else, sleeping in there, then waking, waking again, thinking i'm finally awake & not realizing things r wonky...
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Minyatur - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 08:27 PM)Bluebell Wrote: i'm getting those multilevel ones lately, going to sleep in my dream, dreaming something else, sleeping in there, then waking, waking again, thinking i'm finally awake & not realizing things r wonky...
sounds fun
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-12-2015
i just dreamt i was saving marshmellows from aliens. i guess i'm not fully awake in them.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-12-2015
do those beings that don't confuse wake & sleep, do they still dream in symbols?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Karl - 02-12-2015
I wonder how the most the advanced living STS being on earth behaves?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Spaced - 02-12-2015
(02-12-2015, 07:09 AM)Karl Wrote: I wonder how the most the advanced living STS being on earth behaves?
However the heck they want.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Plenum - 02-13-2015
(02-11-2015, 04:28 PM)Stranger Wrote: Here are Quo's thoughts on this topic. 2011.4.9
Quote:The sleep state of an entity in fourth density could more be related to that of your deep meditation in third density. There lacks the confusion and the reorientation between the sleep state and the wake states in fourth density. Indeed, on your planet there are those currently existing in third density who do not require the sleep state as such, but have access to tap into the nourishment of being acquired normally in the dream state, by going into this form of deep meditation. We use the term “nourishment” because the self demands reconnection with a more pure state of being and this is true on every level of density from third to fourth, fifth and so on.
awesome quote Stranger!
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - jody - 02-13-2015
I was able to pull the specific quote from Hatonn. February 1974
(couldn't do it on my iphone. That was the problem)
Quote:
It is necessary that we make available to as many of the people of this planet as would receive our thoughts the principles upon which the creation actually functions. It is necessary for the people of this planet to understand the principle of desire. We were, for quite some time, confused about the conditions that are manifested upon your surface, and the reason for the turmoil. It took us some time to understand the state of total ignorance that is in evidence among your peoples. This is not a condition that is often found in this creation, for the Father has given to each of His children an understanding that is within them.
This understanding is within all of the peoples throughout all of space, and it is within the people of this planet. However, since they have not sought this understanding that is theirs, that is a part of them, they have continued in directions brought about by desires that have nothing to do with truth. Desires created by intellectual games played in their waking state. They come in contact with truth only during their sleeping state.
And if they did not come in contact with their innermost thoughts at this time, they would long since have ceased to exist, for a being cannot long exist in a condition of total lack of the Creator’s truth. For this reason you find it necessary to sleep. Sleep, my friends, is not a normal condition. It is something that the people of your planet do out of necessity.
Unfortunately, this condition of sleep does not totally satisfy the requirements that are necessary if the truth of the creation is to be revealed in its totality. It is therefore necessary, if they are to return to this truth, to avail themselves to it in dally meditation.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - AnthroHeart - 02-13-2015
My dreams don't seem like truth. They are sometimes the opposite of reality.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-13-2015
(02-13-2015, 11:15 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: My dreams don't seem like truth. They are sometimes the opposite of reality.
Reality is a carefully crafted illusion, not truth.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - AnthroHeart - 02-13-2015
So the crazy things I do in dreams like smoke weed and fly, and talk with animal anthros are the reality?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Bluebell - 02-13-2015
nothing is real, everything is real...
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-13-2015
(02-13-2015, 11:22 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So the crazy things I do in dreams like smoke weed and fly, and talk with animal anthros are the reality?
No, they are projections from your subconscious.
The astral is not truth. It is a distorted version of reality.
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - AnthroHeart - 02-13-2015
How do we find pieces of truth in waking life?
What is truth?
RE: do you think a fully aware person needs to sleep? - Ashim - 02-13-2015
(02-13-2015, 11:44 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: How do we find pieces of truth in waking life?
What is truth?
By facilitating an opening to intelligent infinity, either consciously or unconsciously.
Truth is knowledge that sets you free.