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MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015
The subject of eating 2D entities has been a hot topic. At least 2 dozen threads about this topic are to be found, some with massive numbers of hits. The biggest and baddest of them all, the original meat thread, got shut down by the mods, and others sprang up in its place.
Apparently, this topic is of interest to many people.
In an effort to catalog these rich, informative, and yes, sometimes heated, discussions, Diana, Pablisimo and I have compiled an index. It was originally posted here but got buried in that thread. So I am moving it here, with the intention of keeping it up-to-date.
If you wish to discuss any of these topics, please do so in the linked thread, rather than here. (I realize you can't respond to the locked thread, unfortunately, and I don't have a solution for that. You'd have to ask the mods about that.) Other than the locked thread, it's fine to bump these old threads if you wish to post on them. Please keep this thread clean. Thank you for your consideration!
Note: I'm posting this in Life on Planet Earth instead of Diet, because most of these discussions have to do with the ethical considerations of eating meat, rather than nutritional or dietary considerations.
Why Vegan/Vegetarian food is a superior diet
Post #2 yossarian
Post #149 unity100
Raw Veganism
Post #6 yossarian
Post #8 yossarian
Post #11 yossarian
Post #35 yossarian
Post #91 Bring4th_Monica
Evolution of food requirements through densities
Post #37 ubergud
Monica's story
Post #40 Bring4th_Monica
Merging of the life force when plant eating
Post #49 Bring4th_Monica
But other animals eat meat! (3D Humans have a different path)
Post #25 Pablísimo
Meat eating and the STO Path
Post #50 Bring4th_Monica
Post #110 Bring4th_Monica
Post #111 Pablísimo
Post #177 Pablísimo
Less cruel meat production
Post #52 Lorna
Abstaining from meat eating is not a spiritual litmus test
Post #53 Bring4th_Monica
Post #2363 Pablisimo
Disconnect from what meat actually is
Post #59 Lorna
post: #1818 Monica
Post #2763 Diana
Post #2770 norral
Post #2637 norral
Discrimination and harrasment of vegetarians
Post #67 Bring4th_Monica
Post #74 Ali Quadir
Post #79 Will
Discussing meat eating in a discussion forum
Post # 76 Bring4th_Monica
Post # 108 Bring4th_Monica
The Ethics of Plant Eating
Post #86 Bring4th_Aaron
2D Entities & Suffering
Post #87 Bring4th_Monica
Leather clothing and other meat-derived items
Post #89 Bring4th_Monica
Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities?
Post #96 Bring4th_Monica
Post #111 Pablísimo
Post #146 Bring4th_Monica
Extremism
Post #113 Bring4th_Monica
Post #118 Pablísimo
Post #130 thefool
Post #139 Bring4th_Monica
Factory Farms
Post #125 Lorna
Post #143 Pablísimo
Health effects of meat consumption / Benefits of vegetarian diet
Post #126 Peregrinus
Post #173 Bring4th_Monica
Animal sentience
Post #132 Bring4th_Monica
Post #140 Bring4th_Monica
Post #141 Ali Quadir
Post #144 Bring4th_Monica
Pre-incarnational choice
Post #152 unity100
STS and eating animals
post: #155 Monica
Don't we need to keep the ecosystem and animal population in balance?
post: #158 Unity100
Where is eating headed; what does a sun "eat"?
post: #160 Unity100
Is kosher meat cruelty-free?
post: #177 Pablisimo
Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian?
post: #178 Pickle
Don't plants feel pain, too?
post: #188 Monica
B-12 deficiency
post: # 190 Monica, Pickle
Unusual benefit of vegan diet . . . no sunburns
post: #191 Pickle
Eating raw locally
post: #203 Monica
A little-known reason why raw beef is dangerous
post: # 208 Pickle
Amazing story of local plant offering itself for healing
post: #223 Monica
My reasons for being vegetarian
post: #224 Pablisimo
post: #227 Lorna
post: #255 Crown
post: #386 Monica
Meat increases risk of cancer
post: #236 Monica
You Tube video: 87% of all agricultural land in the US is used to feed farm animals; plus success at raw vegan clinic with major illnesses
post: #237 Monica
If every American gave up meat for 1 day a week . . . quirky facts
post: #253 Monica
Eggs, dairy, and the life-force of plants
post: #263 Monica
Possible signs of evolution away from predator/prey even in 2D?
post: #274 Monica
Plant devas
post: #328 Monica
The transition from meat-eating to vegetarian
post: #405 Monica
The transition from ingesting meat to ingesting light
post: #455 Ra, Monica
Animal treatment compared to human treatment by Orions
post: #497 Ra, Pickle, Monica
We kill to eat because we can, not because we need to
post: #404 Pickle
"World Peace Diet" excerpt and review
post: #331 Monica
Catalyst, rape, murder (human), and slaughter (animal)
post: #261 Monica
Philosophy on the divine nature of sustenance through densities derived from the Ra Material
post: #165 Unity100
But you feed meat to your cats and dogs, don't you? Isn't that hypocritical?
Post #643 Aaron
Post #644 Monica
Post #647 Monica and Oceania (and continues in post #656)
Love and joy towards plants
Post #668 Pickle
Developed compassion towards animals AFTER becoming vegetarian
Post #703 Pickle
Post #970 Pickle
Post #1096 Pickle & Diana
Fear hormones in meat
Post #718 Monica
Post #734 Diana (Also:
Feeling better on a plant-based diet
Post #737 Conifer16
But...but...Ra told Carla to eat meat!!! That means Ra favors the eating of meat, right?
Post #740 Monica
Post #1442 Monica
Post #2915 Monica
WHY be an activist for vegetarianism? And is vegetarianism a ticket to 4D?
Post #742 Monica
Post #721 Monica
'Free Range' Eggs and Dairy
Post #2938 Monica
What do 4D entities eat? Living foods / How do we get from Point A (meat) to Point B (living nectar)?
Post #818 Pickle
Post #883 Monica
Post #1360 Pickle
Post #1362 Monica
Post #1374 Monica
Post #2797 Monica
Post #2916 Pickle
Post #2513 Diana
Science shows that plants feel pain too! Therefore it's ok to eat animals!
Post #224 Pablísimo
Post #825 Monica (and a heated debate ensues, which continues for several pages)
Post #2675 Monica (plants communicating psychically - what does that signify?)
Post #2680-2682 Monica (group consciousness)
Post #2684-2692 Pickle
Post #873 Monica
Post #912 Namaste
Post #957 Monica
Post #2642 Monica
Post #1327 Diana
Post #1398 Pickle & Monica
Trying to justify one's self regarding the consumption of meat, by using
plants as a counter argument, holds no valid ground. And...what kind of
entities will cows be when they graduate to 3D?
Post #1405 Namaste
Post #1497 Monica
Post #1149 Monica - on Ra's statements about trees developing sentience
Post #2786 Monica
Post #2650 Diana
Post #2657 Diana
When Ra said "living foods" in 4D, did they mean bloody animals?
Post #1401 Monica
Is a farmer who has humanely raised his livestock for food guilty of murder and war against animals?
Post #2524-2528 Diana
Saying that eating meat is incongruent with STO path is NOT judging those who eat meat
Post #2547 Monica
Why is the animal left out of the equation?
Post #2560 Monica
Helpful resources for being veg in a meat-eating household, and nutritional info
Post #867 Monica
But I once knew a vegan who was sickly! And anyway, Carla eats meat!
Post #877 - 879 Monica
But...but...Ra said we could eat meat!
Post #881 Monica
Post #978 Oceania
Don't animals and humans have a mutually beneficial relationship? Cows and chickens want to be killed and eaten, right?
Post #903 Monica
Denial?
Post #927 Diana
Post #969 Monica
Post #1005 Austin (also views on 'humane' and 'sustainable' farming)
You vegetarians are infringing on our 'right' to eat animals, by expressing your views.
Post #947 Pickle and Monica
Free-range eggs not cruel...fish less cruel?
Post #973 Monica
Post #976 Oceania
Eating plants saves more plants!
Post #975 Monica
Post #1012Diana
Would you eat the animal if you had to kill it yourself? Is killing an animal as easy as plucking a carrot from the ground?
Post #991-993 Oceania & Monica
Post #1034 Oceania
What about killing trees for lumber?
Post #1008 Diana
Post #1018 Monica (also about plants being sentient...carrots vs trees)
Post #1025 (also a response to being told I think I know more than our Logos!)
What is Lifeforce?
Post #1051 Monica & Austin
Post #1057 Monica
What meat can do for us, vs. what we can do for the animal
Post #1066 Monica
Post #1163 Austin
Compassion for 3D entities only? Why not for 2D also?
Post #1068 Namaste
Post #1161 Austin
Love the person, disagree with the action
Post #1105 Austin
Progressing to a gentler way
Post #1113 Diana
Love and Acceptance of those with differing views
Post #1124 Austin
I don't like being told I 'should' do anything.
Post #1130 Monica
Loving the torturer while championing the oppressed
Post #1131 Austin
Link between diet and state of being are intrinsically linked...meat lowers one's vibration
Post #1142 Namaste
Is it ok to harm others, as catalyst?
Post #1157 Monica
Compassion for plants...raising carrots as pets!
Post #1165 Monica
Controlling the oppressor vs championing the oppressed
Post #1166 Austin
Supporting the meat industry
Post #1168 Diana
Post #1176 Austin
Post #1182-1184 Austin
Post #1251 Austin
"Appreciating" the sacrifice doesn't stop the suffering
Post #1194 Austin
The reason for suffering...catalyst! and how to respond to catalyst!
Post #1242 Diana
If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you.
Post #1245 Austin
What vegetarians have to endure every day - please cut us some slack!
Post #1266 Monica
Is eating animals conducive to polarization? And should we even care about that?
Post #1270 Monica
Post #1366 Monica
But what about bugs and microbes? And do you care about cows more than humans?
Post: #1590 Pickle
Post #1272 Monica
Post #1444 Pickle & Aaron
Post #1461 Diana
Post #1468 Diana
Post #1470 Diana
Post #1472 Diana
Post #1474 Pickle
Post #1490 Monica
Guilt about eating meat
Post #1275-1277 Monica & Diana
Post #148 Monica
Guilt Serves a Function
Post # 78 Bring4th_Monica
Dr. Gabriel Cousens MD has nearly 100% success rate with those who want to be vegans but crave meat
Post #1428 Monica
Darwinian evolution vs Law of One evolution
Post #1430 Monica
Post #1442 Monica
Are vegetarians motivated by compassion, or do they just want to control society? and aren't they infringing on the rights of others to choose their own diet? and isn't that yellow ray, not green?
Post #1447 Monica
Post #1449 Monica
Does animal torture drag down the vibration of the planet? Is the meat industry holding us back?
Post #1451 Monica
But I only eat 'humanely' slaughtered animals...why are you lumping me in with those who eat at McDonald's?
Post #1454 Monica
The metaphysical significance of blood
Post #1460 Monica & Tenet Nosce
What's easier to do? Trim a hedge or cut the leg off an animal? Cut the throat of a cow or pull a carrot out of the ground?
Post #1477 Namaste
Post #1479 Namaste
Vegetarians are hypocrites because they eat plants!
Post #1483 Monica
When does a 2D entity become self-aware?
Post #1488 Monica
Should an STO entity participate in knowingly causing suffering for
other-selves, since, after all, they're going to die anyway and it's all catalyst anyway?
Post #1492 Monica
What are cows trying to teach humans?
Post #1496 Diana
Bottom line: We must eat plants. We don't have to eat animals.
Post #1501 Diana
Is it 'ok' to kill animals as long as they weren't tortured? (so-called 'humane' slaughter)
Post #1512 Monica
Chlorophyll and Superfoods
Post #1514 Pickle
Be a vegetarian by eating locally, getting acquainted with wild foods,
and sprouting, if you don't have much variety in your local
supermarkets.
Post #1515 Monica (with info from Austin on sustainable agriculture)
How do you 'know' that killing animals is wrong?
Post #1525 Monica
Meat=Genocide
Post #2497-2500 norral
Eating meat requires a suppression of natural compassion
Post #1529 Monica
Post #2496 Monica
Are plants in constant agony?
Post #1532 Monica
Post #1534 Icaro
Plants vs. animals for food
Post: #1542 Diana
On spirituality and meat-eating
Post: #1543 Namaste
Post: #1584 Pickle
Post: #1749 Pickle
Post: #1753 Diana
post: #1823 Pickle
post: #1935 Pablisimo
post: #1984 Diana
post: #2018 Diana
post: #2135 (includes stats on going veg) Monica
post: #2252 Pickle
post: #2343 Pickle
Definition of sentient
Post #2739 Diana
Health and meat-eating
Post #2649 Pickle
Post: #1604 Monica
Post: #1608 Pickle
Post: #1790 Monica
Post: #1793 Pickle
Avoiding uncomfortable subjects, such as meat-eating
Post: #1618 Namaste
Videos of animal awareness and commentaries on the subject of meat
Post: #1627 (Dog Rescues Kittens) Monica
Post: #1737 (Why love one but eat the other?) Monica
Post: #1761 (Study shows lab rats would rather free a friend than eat chocolate) Monica
Post: #1766 (pigs & hens remarkably intelligent!) Monica
Post: #1787 (Smart cows! And pigs are just like dogs!) Monica
post: #1818 (Not ready to go totally veg? Here are baby steps you can take to eat more compassionately...and a hilarious video of people buying 'fresh' meat) Monica
post: #1844 (elephants reunited) Monica
post: #1845 (orangutan mother and baby) Monica
But we really don't know what cows think. They can't talk to us. Maybe they want to be eaten!
post: #2066 (cows communicating) Monica
Compassion and animals
Post: #1645 Namaste
post: 1872 Austin
post: #2099 (resource to compare compassionate animal farming) Austin
post: #2334 (factory farms) Pablisimo
The connectedness of all things
Post: #1654 Diana
3D vs. 4D
Post: #1656 Monica
post: #2132 Monica
3D vs. 2D awareness
Post: #1660 Diana
Moving toward a plant-based diet
Post: #1663 Oceania
Post: #1670 Diana
post: #2143 Monica
post: #2232 (protein combos) Monica
What Jesus, Buddha, and other spiritual leaders and writers say about meat-eating
Post: #1680 Monica
post: #1864 Diana
Raw foods and enzymes
Post: #1701 Monica
Post: #1707 Pickle
The Native American way of meat-eating
Post: #1732 Diana
Post #2503 Monica
Accepting mainstream thought on nutrition
Post: #1755 Pickle
Decided to be vegetarian based on thread
Post: # 1756 Fr33dom
Raw Vegan info
post: #1995 Monica, Video of raw vegan body builder
post: #1798 Diana, raw vegan wrestler
Sustainability
post: #1809 (growing green with no animal products) Monica
Growing vegetable food
post: # 1811 Monica
The Inuit & their diet of meat
post: #1832 Diana
Post #85 Bring4th_Monica
Most crops grown to feed meat animals - highly inefficient - we could end starvation by feeding people instead of farm animals, + kill fewer plants too!
post: 2026 (80% of corn) Pickle
In response to criticism and vegetarians
post: #2301 Pablisimo
Q'uo on Suffering
Post #2379 Monica
Post #2382 Monica
Is it our task to provide negative catalyst to animals?
Post #2660 Pickle
Post #2843 Monica
Post #2847 Pickle
Post #2371 Diana
Mainstream Documentaries (NOT PETA) and real, verifiable statistics about how meat is produced - please watch these to get educated, if you wish to take responsibility for your choices
Post #2824 Monica
Post #2837 Monica
Post #2848 Monica
Post #2850 Monica
Working on Common Ground
Post #2860 Monica and βαθμιαίος
Acceptance and Compassion: Which is the key to polarizing STO? and...to the extent necessary for individual metabolism
Post #2876 Monica
More on guilt...and...Can eating meat be compassionate?
Post #2741 Monica
Some people need to eat meat, right? What does the medical establishment say? Is eating meat necessary? Can a vegetarian diet be adequate and healthy?
Post #2745 Monica
Post #2612-2620 Monica
America's Mad Cow Crisis
Post #2635 indolering
Compassion for others vs working on self / What's best for the animal vs what's best for self
Post #2386 Monica
Post #2395 Monica
Post #2659 Monica
It's not about controlling others...it's about ending oppression!
Post #2879 Monica
Post #2881 Monica
Post #2892 Diana
Post #2397 Monica
Post #2913 Monica
Raising your own chickens for eggs
Post #2488-2490 Austin
Famous Quotes
Post #2440 Monica
Baby Chick
Post #2442 Monica
Plants Don't Die When Eaten...They 'Talk' to Cells
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9193
Vegetarianism and NDE
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9128
Misc Questions for Vegans
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=8673
Losing Weight Veggie-Style
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9381
The Nicefication of Eating Meat
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10406
The Effect of Meat-Eating on Violent Criminals
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9163
People sharing why they are vegan
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9982
People sharing why they're not vegan
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9869
Vegetarianism Made E-Z: Recipes and Support
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4640
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9931
What is an Other-Self? Are 2D Entities Other-Selves?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5078
Scientists Say Animals Conscious...like us
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7929
Are 2D Entities Evolving?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5673
What does Ra say about the consciousness of higher 2D entities?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590
Deep Philosophical Presentation about Eating Animals
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9561
What do former farmers and ranchers say about the consciousness of animals?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590&pid=174503#pid174503
(plus several posts after that)
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RE: MEAT Master Index - isis - 03-26-2015
Monica Wrote:If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you.
Post #1245 Austin
No link on that one.
RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015
Oops, that might take awhile to find. But thanks for bringing it to my attention!
RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015
(03-26-2015, 02:47 PM)isis Wrote:Monica Wrote:If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you.
Post #1245 Austin
No link on that one.
I scrolled through to post #1245 on the original thread, and it wasn't the right one...wasn't even by Austin. So it must've been in another thread, and I have no idea which one, sorry! I'll leave it for now, in case we find it.
RE: MEAT Master Index - Jeremy - 04-03-2015
What do you think about companies like this for meat? I know you're full on vegan but companies like this surely are a little more acceptable correct?
http://www.floridafreshmeat.com/about-us/
RE: MEAT Master Index - AngelofDeath - 04-03-2015
I hate the way they talk about "growing beef". They are cows. They aren't growing by the time their bodies are called beef.
RE: MEAT Master Index - AnthroHeart - 04-03-2015
(04-03-2015, 11:16 AM)AngelofDeath Wrote: I hate the way they talk about "growing beef". They are cows. They aren't growing by the time their bodies are called beef.
I didn't think you hated anything.
RE: MEAT Master Index - AngelofDeath - 04-03-2015
I don't hate people nor do I hate any aspect or element of Creation, however sometimes I will, for a little while, hate things out of confusion.
RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 04-03-2015
(04-03-2015, 09:51 AM)Jeremy Wrote: What do you think about companies like this for meat? I know you're full on vegan but companies like this surely are a little more acceptable correct?
http://www.floridafreshmeat.com/about-us/
That's a good question. From the point of view of the person eating the meat, it is healthier because at least it doesn't have all the hormones and antibiotics. Notice that in the link you provided, all the benefits are for the consumer. There aren't any benefits listed for the animals.
From the point of view of the environment, it might appear better at first glance, but in actuality, it isn't sustainable at all. It takes a lot more space to raise the animals, so it's absolutely impossible for the planet to sustain 7 billion humans continuing to eat meat, if the animals are raised that way. There simply isn't enough space. That's one of the reasons (besides more profit) that the abominable factory farms came into being in the first place: A lot more meat can be produced at the fraction of the space and cost. (Of course, the well-being of the animals was never considered.)
From the point of view of the animals, however, there really isn't much difference. The end result is exactly the same: Their babies taken from them, they are raped, and they are killed against their will.
There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat. Nor is there any such thing as 'sustainable' meat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZTaaGSKg0
Hear what former cattle ranchers have to say about the 'sustainable and humane meat' myth:
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590&pid=174503#pid174503
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RE: MEAT Master Index - isis - 04-03-2015
(04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat.
https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/cannibalism-is-legal-in-japan-so-cook-serves-own-genitals-at-banquet-in-tokyo/
RE: MEAT Master Index - Lighthead - 04-03-2015
(04-03-2015, 06:54 PM)isis Wrote:(04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat.
https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/cannibalism-is-legal-in-japan-so-cook-serves-own-genitals-at-banquet-in-tokyo/
Nothing against you, Monica, but I thought that that injected a good dose of humor into the conversation. Lol.
*Hopes the thread doesn't get derailed...*
RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 04-04-2015
(04-03-2015, 06:54 PM)isis Wrote:(04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat.
https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/cannibalism-is-legal-in-japan-so-cook-serves-own-genitals-at-banquet-in-tokyo/
OK well maybe in that isolated case...
Wow. You'd think he'd have charged more than $250 a plate!