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MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015 The subject of eating 2D entities has been a hot topic. At least 2 dozen threads about this topic are to be found, some with massive numbers of hits. The biggest and baddest of them all, the original meat thread, got shut down by the mods, and others sprang up in its place. Apparently, this topic is of interest to many people. In an effort to catalog these rich, informative, and yes, sometimes heated, discussions, Diana, Pablisimo and I have compiled an index. It was originally posted here but got buried in that thread. So I am moving it here, with the intention of keeping it up-to-date. If you wish to discuss any of these topics, please do so in the linked thread, rather than here. (I realize you can't respond to the locked thread, unfortunately, and I don't have a solution for that. You'd have to ask the mods about that.) Other than the locked thread, it's fine to bump these old threads if you wish to post on them. Please keep this thread clean. Thank you for your consideration! Note: I'm posting this in Life on Planet Earth instead of Diet, because most of these discussions have to do with the ethical considerations of eating meat, rather than nutritional or dietary considerations. Why Vegan/Vegetarian food is a superior diet Post #2 yossarian Post #149 unity100 Raw Veganism Post #6 yossarian Post #8 yossarian Post #11 yossarian Post #35 yossarian Post #91 Bring4th_Monica Evolution of food requirements through densities Post #37 ubergud Monica's story Post #40 Bring4th_Monica Merging of the life force when plant eating Post #49 Bring4th_Monica But other animals eat meat! (3D Humans have a different path) Post #25 Pablísimo Meat eating and the STO Path Post #50 Bring4th_Monica Post #110 Bring4th_Monica Post #111 Pablísimo Post #177 Pablísimo Less cruel meat production Post #52 Lorna Abstaining from meat eating is not a spiritual litmus test Post #53 Bring4th_Monica Post #2363 Pablisimo Disconnect from what meat actually is Post #59 Lorna post: #1818 Monica Post #2763 Diana Post #2770 norral Post #2637 norral Discrimination and harrasment of vegetarians Post #67 Bring4th_Monica Post #74 Ali Quadir Post #79 Will Discussing meat eating in a discussion forum Post # 76 Bring4th_Monica Post # 108 Bring4th_Monica The Ethics of Plant Eating Post #86 Bring4th_Aaron 2D Entities & Suffering Post #87 Bring4th_Monica Leather clothing and other meat-derived items Post #89 Bring4th_Monica Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities? Post #96 Bring4th_Monica Post #111 Pablísimo Post #146 Bring4th_Monica Extremism Post #113 Bring4th_Monica Post #118 Pablísimo Post #130 thefool Post #139 Bring4th_Monica Factory Farms Post #125 Lorna Post #143 Pablísimo Health effects of meat consumption / Benefits of vegetarian diet Post #126 Peregrinus Post #173 Bring4th_Monica Animal sentience Post #132 Bring4th_Monica Post #140 Bring4th_Monica Post #141 Ali Quadir Post #144 Bring4th_Monica Pre-incarnational choice Post #152 unity100 STS and eating animals post: #155 Monica Don't we need to keep the ecosystem and animal population in balance? post: #158 Unity100 Where is eating headed; what does a sun "eat"? post: #160 Unity100 Is kosher meat cruelty-free? post: #177 Pablisimo Wasn't Hitler a vegetarian? post: #178 Pickle Don't plants feel pain, too? post: #188 Monica B-12 deficiency post: # 190 Monica, Pickle Unusual benefit of vegan diet . . . no sunburns post: #191 Pickle Eating raw locally post: #203 Monica A little-known reason why raw beef is dangerous post: # 208 Pickle Amazing story of local plant offering itself for healing post: #223 Monica My reasons for being vegetarian post: #224 Pablisimo post: #227 Lorna post: #255 Crown post: #386 Monica Meat increases risk of cancer post: #236 Monica You Tube video: 87% of all agricultural land in the US is used to feed farm animals; plus success at raw vegan clinic with major illnesses post: #237 Monica If every American gave up meat for 1 day a week . . . quirky facts post: #253 Monica Eggs, dairy, and the life-force of plants post: #263 Monica Possible signs of evolution away from predator/prey even in 2D? post: #274 Monica Plant devas post: #328 Monica The transition from meat-eating to vegetarian post: #405 Monica The transition from ingesting meat to ingesting light post: #455 Ra, Monica Animal treatment compared to human treatment by Orions post: #497 Ra, Pickle, Monica We kill to eat because we can, not because we need to post: #404 Pickle "World Peace Diet" excerpt and review post: #331 Monica Catalyst, rape, murder (human), and slaughter (animal) post: #261 Monica Philosophy on the divine nature of sustenance through densities derived from the Ra Material post: #165 Unity100 But you feed meat to your cats and dogs, don't you? Isn't that hypocritical? Post #643 Aaron Post #644 Monica Post #647 Monica and Oceania (and continues in post #656) Love and joy towards plants Post #668 Pickle Developed compassion towards animals AFTER becoming vegetarian Post #703 Pickle Post #970 Pickle Post #1096 Pickle & Diana Fear hormones in meat Post #718 Monica Post #734 Diana (Also: Feeling better on a plant-based diet Post #737 Conifer16 But...but...Ra told Carla to eat meat!!! That means Ra favors the eating of meat, right? Post #740 Monica Post #1442 Monica Post #2915 Monica WHY be an activist for vegetarianism? And is vegetarianism a ticket to 4D? Post #742 Monica Post #721 Monica 'Free Range' Eggs and Dairy Post #2938 Monica What do 4D entities eat? Living foods / How do we get from Point A (meat) to Point B (living nectar)? Post #818 Pickle Post #883 Monica Post #1360 Pickle Post #1362 Monica Post #1374 Monica Post #2797 Monica Post #2916 Pickle Post #2513 Diana Science shows that plants feel pain too! Therefore it's ok to eat animals! Post #224 Pablísimo Post #825 Monica (and a heated debate ensues, which continues for several pages) Post #2675 Monica (plants communicating psychically - what does that signify?) Post #2680-2682 Monica (group consciousness) Post #2684-2692 Pickle Post #873 Monica Post #912 Namaste Post #957 Monica Post #2642 Monica Post #1327 Diana Post #1398 Pickle & Monica Trying to justify one's self regarding the consumption of meat, by using plants as a counter argument, holds no valid ground. And...what kind of entities will cows be when they graduate to 3D? Post #1405 Namaste Post #1497 Monica Post #1149 Monica - on Ra's statements about trees developing sentience Post #2786 Monica Post #2650 Diana Post #2657 Diana When Ra said "living foods" in 4D, did they mean bloody animals? Post #1401 Monica Is a farmer who has humanely raised his livestock for food guilty of murder and war against animals? Post #2524-2528 Diana Saying that eating meat is incongruent with STO path is NOT judging those who eat meat Post #2547 Monica Why is the animal left out of the equation? Post #2560 Monica Helpful resources for being veg in a meat-eating household, and nutritional info Post #867 Monica But I once knew a vegan who was sickly! And anyway, Carla eats meat! Post #877 - 879 Monica But...but...Ra said we could eat meat! Post #881 Monica Post #978 Oceania Don't animals and humans have a mutually beneficial relationship? Cows and chickens want to be killed and eaten, right? Post #903 Monica Denial? Post #927 Diana Post #969 Monica Post #1005 Austin (also views on 'humane' and 'sustainable' farming) You vegetarians are infringing on our 'right' to eat animals, by expressing your views. Post #947 Pickle and Monica Free-range eggs not cruel...fish less cruel? Post #973 Monica Post #976 Oceania Eating plants saves more plants! Post #975 Monica Post #1012Diana Would you eat the animal if you had to kill it yourself? Is killing an animal as easy as plucking a carrot from the ground? Post #991-993 Oceania & Monica Post #1034 Oceania What about killing trees for lumber? Post #1008 Diana Post #1018 Monica (also about plants being sentient...carrots vs trees) Post #1025 (also a response to being told I think I know more than our Logos!) What is Lifeforce? Post #1051 Monica & Austin Post #1057 Monica What meat can do for us, vs. what we can do for the animal Post #1066 Monica Post #1163 Austin Compassion for 3D entities only? Why not for 2D also? Post #1068 Namaste Post #1161 Austin Love the person, disagree with the action Post #1105 Austin Progressing to a gentler way Post #1113 Diana Love and Acceptance of those with differing views Post #1124 Austin I don't like being told I 'should' do anything. Post #1130 Monica Loving the torturer while championing the oppressed Post #1131 Austin Link between diet and state of being are intrinsically linked...meat lowers one's vibration Post #1142 Namaste Is it ok to harm others, as catalyst? Post #1157 Monica Compassion for plants...raising carrots as pets! Post #1165 Monica Controlling the oppressor vs championing the oppressed Post #1166 Austin Supporting the meat industry Post #1168 Diana Post #1176 Austin Post #1182-1184 Austin Post #1251 Austin "Appreciating" the sacrifice doesn't stop the suffering Post #1194 Austin The reason for suffering...catalyst! and how to respond to catalyst! Post #1242 Diana If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you. Post #1245 Austin What vegetarians have to endure every day - please cut us some slack! Post #1266 Monica Is eating animals conducive to polarization? And should we even care about that? Post #1270 Monica Post #1366 Monica But what about bugs and microbes? And do you care about cows more than humans? Post: #1590 Pickle Post #1272 Monica Post #1444 Pickle & Aaron Post #1461 Diana Post #1468 Diana Post #1470 Diana Post #1472 Diana Post #1474 Pickle Post #1490 Monica Guilt about eating meat Post #1275-1277 Monica & Diana Post #148 Monica Guilt Serves a Function Post # 78 Bring4th_Monica Dr. Gabriel Cousens MD has nearly 100% success rate with those who want to be vegans but crave meat Post #1428 Monica Darwinian evolution vs Law of One evolution Post #1430 Monica Post #1442 Monica Are vegetarians motivated by compassion, or do they just want to control society? and aren't they infringing on the rights of others to choose their own diet? and isn't that yellow ray, not green? Post #1447 Monica Post #1449 Monica Does animal torture drag down the vibration of the planet? Is the meat industry holding us back? Post #1451 Monica But I only eat 'humanely' slaughtered animals...why are you lumping me in with those who eat at McDonald's? Post #1454 Monica The metaphysical significance of blood Post #1460 Monica & Tenet Nosce What's easier to do? Trim a hedge or cut the leg off an animal? Cut the throat of a cow or pull a carrot out of the ground? Post #1477 Namaste Post #1479 Namaste Vegetarians are hypocrites because they eat plants! Post #1483 Monica When does a 2D entity become self-aware? Post #1488 Monica Should an STO entity participate in knowingly causing suffering for other-selves, since, after all, they're going to die anyway and it's all catalyst anyway? Post #1492 Monica What are cows trying to teach humans? Post #1496 Diana Bottom line: We must eat plants. We don't have to eat animals. Post #1501 Diana Is it 'ok' to kill animals as long as they weren't tortured? (so-called 'humane' slaughter) Post #1512 Monica Chlorophyll and Superfoods Post #1514 Pickle Be a vegetarian by eating locally, getting acquainted with wild foods, and sprouting, if you don't have much variety in your local supermarkets. Post #1515 Monica (with info from Austin on sustainable agriculture) How do you 'know' that killing animals is wrong? Post #1525 Monica Meat=Genocide Post #2497-2500 norral Eating meat requires a suppression of natural compassion Post #1529 Monica Post #2496 Monica Are plants in constant agony? Post #1532 Monica Post #1534 Icaro Plants vs. animals for food Post: #1542 Diana On spirituality and meat-eating Post: #1543 Namaste Post: #1584 Pickle Post: #1749 Pickle Post: #1753 Diana post: #1823 Pickle post: #1935 Pablisimo post: #1984 Diana post: #2018 Diana post: #2135 (includes stats on going veg) Monica post: #2252 Pickle post: #2343 Pickle Definition of sentient Post #2739 Diana Health and meat-eating Post #2649 Pickle Post: #1604 Monica Post: #1608 Pickle Post: #1790 Monica Post: #1793 Pickle Avoiding uncomfortable subjects, such as meat-eating Post: #1618 Namaste Videos of animal awareness and commentaries on the subject of meat Post: #1627 (Dog Rescues Kittens) Monica Post: #1737 (Why love one but eat the other?) Monica Post: #1761 (Study shows lab rats would rather free a friend than eat chocolate) Monica Post: #1766 (pigs & hens remarkably intelligent!) Monica Post: #1787 (Smart cows! And pigs are just like dogs!) Monica post: #1818 (Not ready to go totally veg? Here are baby steps you can take to eat more compassionately...and a hilarious video of people buying 'fresh' meat) Monica post: #1844 (elephants reunited) Monica post: #1845 (orangutan mother and baby) Monica But we really don't know what cows think. They can't talk to us. Maybe they want to be eaten! post: #2066 (cows communicating) Monica Compassion and animals Post: #1645 Namaste post: 1872 Austin post: #2099 (resource to compare compassionate animal farming) Austin post: #2334 (factory farms) Pablisimo The connectedness of all things Post: #1654 Diana 3D vs. 4D Post: #1656 Monica post: #2132 Monica 3D vs. 2D awareness Post: #1660 Diana Moving toward a plant-based diet Post: #1663 Oceania Post: #1670 Diana post: #2143 Monica post: #2232 (protein combos) Monica What Jesus, Buddha, and other spiritual leaders and writers say about meat-eating Post: #1680 Monica post: #1864 Diana Raw foods and enzymes Post: #1701 Monica Post: #1707 Pickle The Native American way of meat-eating Post: #1732 Diana Post #2503 Monica Accepting mainstream thought on nutrition Post: #1755 Pickle Decided to be vegetarian based on thread Post: # 1756 Fr33dom Raw Vegan info post: #1995 Monica, Video of raw vegan body builder post: #1798 Diana, raw vegan wrestler Sustainability post: #1809 (growing green with no animal products) Monica Growing vegetable food post: # 1811 Monica The Inuit & their diet of meat post: #1832 Diana Post #85 Bring4th_Monica Most crops grown to feed meat animals - highly inefficient - we could end starvation by feeding people instead of farm animals, + kill fewer plants too! post: 2026 (80% of corn) Pickle In response to criticism and vegetarians post: #2301 Pablisimo Q'uo on Suffering Post #2379 Monica Post #2382 Monica Is it our task to provide negative catalyst to animals? Post #2660 Pickle Post #2843 Monica Post #2847 Pickle Post #2371 Diana Mainstream Documentaries (NOT PETA) and real, verifiable statistics about how meat is produced - please watch these to get educated, if you wish to take responsibility for your choices Post #2824 Monica Post #2837 Monica Post #2848 Monica Post #2850 Monica Working on Common Ground Post #2860 Monica and βαθμιαίος Acceptance and Compassion: Which is the key to polarizing STO? and...to the extent necessary for individual metabolism Post #2876 Monica More on guilt...and...Can eating meat be compassionate? Post #2741 Monica Some people need to eat meat, right? What does the medical establishment say? Is eating meat necessary? Can a vegetarian diet be adequate and healthy? Post #2745 Monica Post #2612-2620 Monica America's Mad Cow Crisis Post #2635 indolering Compassion for others vs working on self / What's best for the animal vs what's best for self Post #2386 Monica Post #2395 Monica Post #2659 Monica It's not about controlling others...it's about ending oppression! Post #2879 Monica Post #2881 Monica Post #2892 Diana Post #2397 Monica Post #2913 Monica Raising your own chickens for eggs Post #2488-2490 Austin Famous Quotes Post #2440 Monica Baby Chick Post #2442 Monica Plants Don't Die When Eaten...They 'Talk' to Cells http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9193 Vegetarianism and NDE http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9128 Misc Questions for Vegans http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=8673 Losing Weight Veggie-Style http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9381 The Nicefication of Eating Meat http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10406 The Effect of Meat-Eating on Violent Criminals http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9163 People sharing why they are vegan http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9982 People sharing why they're not vegan http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9869 Vegetarianism Made E-Z: Recipes and Support http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4640 http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9931 What is an Other-Self? Are 2D Entities Other-Selves? http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5078 Scientists Say Animals Conscious...like us http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=7929 Are 2D Entities Evolving? http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5673 What does Ra say about the consciousness of higher 2D entities? http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590 Deep Philosophical Presentation about Eating Animals http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9561 What do former farmers and ranchers say about the consciousness of animals? http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590&pid=174503#pid174503 (plus several posts after that) --- RE: MEAT Master Index - isis - 03-26-2015 Monica Wrote:If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you. No link on that one. RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015 Oops, that might take awhile to find. But thanks for bringing it to my attention! RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 03-26-2015 (03-26-2015, 02:47 PM)isis Wrote:Monica Wrote:If you feel good about your choice, then our opinions won't bother you. I scrolled through to post #1245 on the original thread, and it wasn't the right one...wasn't even by Austin. So it must've been in another thread, and I have no idea which one, sorry! I'll leave it for now, in case we find it. RE: MEAT Master Index - Jeremy - 04-03-2015 What do you think about companies like this for meat? I know you're full on vegan but companies like this surely are a little more acceptable correct? http://www.floridafreshmeat.com/about-us/ RE: MEAT Master Index - AngelofDeath - 04-03-2015 I hate the way they talk about "growing beef". They are cows. They aren't growing by the time their bodies are called beef. RE: MEAT Master Index - AnthroHeart - 04-03-2015 (04-03-2015, 11:16 AM)AngelofDeath Wrote: I hate the way they talk about "growing beef". They are cows. They aren't growing by the time their bodies are called beef. I didn't think you hated anything. RE: MEAT Master Index - AngelofDeath - 04-03-2015 I don't hate people nor do I hate any aspect or element of Creation, however sometimes I will, for a little while, hate things out of confusion. RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 04-03-2015 (04-03-2015, 09:51 AM)Jeremy Wrote: What do you think about companies like this for meat? I know you're full on vegan but companies like this surely are a little more acceptable correct? That's a good question. From the point of view of the person eating the meat, it is healthier because at least it doesn't have all the hormones and antibiotics. Notice that in the link you provided, all the benefits are for the consumer. There aren't any benefits listed for the animals. From the point of view of the environment, it might appear better at first glance, but in actuality, it isn't sustainable at all. It takes a lot more space to raise the animals, so it's absolutely impossible for the planet to sustain 7 billion humans continuing to eat meat, if the animals are raised that way. There simply isn't enough space. That's one of the reasons (besides more profit) that the abominable factory farms came into being in the first place: A lot more meat can be produced at the fraction of the space and cost. (Of course, the well-being of the animals was never considered.) From the point of view of the animals, however, there really isn't much difference. The end result is exactly the same: Their babies taken from them, they are raped, and they are killed against their will. There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat. Nor is there any such thing as 'sustainable' meat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZTaaGSKg0 Hear what former cattle ranchers have to say about the 'sustainable and humane meat' myth: http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10590&pid=174503#pid174503 --- RE: MEAT Master Index - isis - 04-03-2015 (04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat. https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/cannibalism-is-legal-in-japan-so-cook-serves-own-genitals-at-banquet-in-tokyo/ RE: MEAT Master Index - Lighthead - 04-03-2015 (04-03-2015, 06:54 PM)isis Wrote:(04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat. Nothing against you, Monica, but I thought that that injected a good dose of humor into the conversation. Lol. *Hopes the thread doesn't get derailed...* RE: MEAT Master Index - Monica - 04-04-2015 (04-03-2015, 06:54 PM)isis Wrote:(04-03-2015, 06:45 PM)Monica Wrote: There is NO such thing as 'humane' meat. OK well maybe in that isolated case... Wow. You'd think he'd have charged more than $250 a plate! |