(06-07-2015, 02:47 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Boy, that was a lot of words to say "You'll have to work that one out for yourself."  

That said, I do think there's still something instructive even in these sorts of non-answers, at least in terms of things deliberately not said.  Which is a rather backwards way of saying, if Q'uo thought vaccines were dangerous or spiritually-damaging beyond the scientifically known effects, he presumably would have said so directly.

(06-07-2015, 06:50 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Yet here we all are most presumably all vaccinated

(06-06-2015, 10:43 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: since this is a topic that seems to be quite active recently, it's also worth noting that a Question on the issue was put to Q'uo in 2011.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0305.aspx

We are those of Q’uo, {snip}
Consequently, you must take this into your heart after you have learned all the facts that you can. Ponder the resonance of offering the child this healing modality, and we would suggest that for each type of vaccine you move through this process of consulting your rational and linear mind, your intellect, and consulting the wisdom of your heart. For often the heart knows things that it cannot say.

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(06-07-2015, 08:51 PM)Shawnna Wrote: Q'uo refers to vaccines as a healing modality - very true.

(06-07-2015, 08:51 PM)Shawnna Wrote:

(06-06-2015, 10:43 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: since this is a topic that seems to be quite active recently, it's also worth noting that a Question on the issue was put to Q'uo in 2011.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0305.aspx

We are those of Q’uo, {snip}
Consequently, you must take this into your heart after you have learned all the facts that you can. Ponder the resonance of offering the child this healing modality, and we would suggest that for each type of vaccine you move through this process of consulting your rational and linear mind, your intellect, and consulting the wisdom of your heart. For often the heart knows things that it cannot say.

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Q'uo refers to vaccines as a healing modality - very true.

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: It is reffered as our societies do refer to it. The whole quote puts much more emphasis upon thinking and distilling it than saying it heals. 

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Personally I'd say Monica is somewhat "intense"

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: about the importance of the well being of the body in a spiritual manner

(06-07-2015, 10:09 PM)Monica Wrote:

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: It is reffered as our societies do refer to it. The whole quote puts much more emphasis upon thinking and distilling it than saying it heals. 

I interpreted that term as 'healthcare modality' which has a totally different meaning that 'healing' which infers healing a condition. My guess is that this particular Q'uote had a bit of distortion.

(06-07-2015, 10:09 PM)Monica Wrote:

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Personally I'd say Monica is somewhat "intense"

Heh, I'm rather intense about everything! I guess I'm just an intense person!  

(06-07-2015, 10:09 PM)Monica Wrote:

(06-07-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: about the importance of the well being of the body in a spiritual manner

Carla told me (on the radio show) a number of times that the physical body was 'just a vehicle' and to be dealt with 'mechanically' whereas I see it as another layer of our being, and can be affected emotionally and spiritually, and the energy can go in either direction (ie. the body affecting the mind/spirit and the mind/spirit affecting the body...3 aspects to the mind/body/spirit complex).

It's understandable that she might have different views about it, given her physical catalysts.

(06-07-2015, 10:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: That's also how I saw it, especially with the use of the word modality which present it as nothing more than a human custom.

(06-07-2015, 10:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I've put it inbetween quotes because I do not think it's a bad thing. Things would be dull without intense people. They are bringers of movement and change in others.

(06-07-2015, 10:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Well you are right in many ways. Our body has a direct impact upon our awareness in our mind about our soul, which is what I spoke of as mininal spiritual impacts. There is much efforts put into clouding awareness through the body.

I'd say that saying the body is just a vehicle, althought that it seems true from the Higher perspective of the soul, also is very untrue. Our body is a planet-like entity of itself of which we are the assigned God holding responsability of it. To say that the body is only a vehicule would mean this planet also is only a vehicle just as the solar system would be nothing more than a vehicule just as this Universe would also be seen as nothing more than a vehicule. Not untrue, but kind of diminishing the smaller worlds and our responsabilities toward them as Creators. What is done with it is up to the self to decide, but being conscious about it seems important to me.

Quote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
...

(06-07-2015, 10:39 PM)Monica Wrote:

Quote:To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
...

from Auguries of Innocence BY WILLIAM BLAKE

(06-07-2015, 11:00 PM)isis Wrote: Wow. I just reread that poem earlier today for the 1st time in years.

1. For anyone who has studied and paid attention the theory of pathology and disease put forth by the Ra channelings, it's obvious that the idea that a healthy person is 'dangerous' and 'risking death' by not undergoing vaccination is ridiculous from the spiritual perspective, given what Ra has said that everybody is completely whole as is and has at any instant the ability to recognise that and be completely healed. 
   
2. From a common-sense perspective to argue a healthy creature, is at risk and dangerous to others because it doesn't get what you claim is a medical upgrade to its immune system turns basic language and basic theories of health on their head.
   
3. In addition to the fact that there are studies coming to linking the both ingredient preservatives and non-ingredient containments in vaccines such as roundup as the causal mechanism for many of these neurological impairments and death - though not sure how many there were in 2011: Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested & Vaccines found to be tainted with Monsanto's Roundup?
   
4. Or a basic analysis of the incentives involved in vaccination shows that corruption in the vaccination market is inevitable (massive market size, industry influencing CDC etc so industry is regulating industry, doctors offices have monetary incentives for vaccination, pharma ads make a huge portion of cable tv earnings, in the US vaccine manufacturers are immune to liability and claims of bad vaccines are tried in a special/close court where pharma doesn't admit fault and compensation is paid by the US gov't since 1980s, which by coincidence is when # of vaccines and % of autism started dramatically rising).
   
5. An analysis of the history of pharma companies clearly shows them as corrupt and willing to kill people to make profit: Bayer Sells Knowingly Sells Drug Infected with AIDs
   
6. The scientific community has been significantly influenced by its ties to funding and corporations, significantly influencing studies (Remember those studies by Big Tobacco - No one lost their jobs so this is no surprise) : The Water Next Time: Professor Who Helped Expose Crisis in Flint Says Public Science Is Broken (One of Many Articles on this Subject)
   

(06-06-2015, 10:43 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: since this is a topic that seems to be quite active recently, it's also worth noting that a Question on the issue was put to Q'uo in 2011.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0305.aspx

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Q'uo

W: (Reading from G’s notes.) S in Japan asks, “Q’uo, I am really nervous about vaccinating my newborn child. There are two schools of thought on the issue: one that says that vaccination is not only safe but necessary; the other which feels that vaccinations are extremely harmful. I find I can’t trust 100% what either side says and there is evidence for and against both positions. How can a parent make a decision on taking or not taking an action that, once taken, is irreversible and may lead to cognitive and/or health defects, but if not taken may result in the death or disability of a child due to disease, not to mention loss of a child through prosecution and over-zealous child-welfare legislation. What are the spiritual principles involved?”

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query. In working with questions such as whether or not to vaccinate a child that is within your care, the spiritual principle involved is free will. Because the child is not capable of coming to a reasoned decision concerning such issues, as in so many things for a parent, it falls upon the parent to make such decisions for the young one.

We look in this instrument’s mind and see that this instrument has been selective in her choice of vaccinations. She has had experience with live vaccine that indicate that she is prone to having adverse reactions to such, whereas with a non-live vaccine or a dead vaccine, the possibility of receiving an adverse reaction is minimized.

However, this does not speak to your free will. It is well to be logical and do the research involved. It is well indeed to be informed in every way. And yet, as you say, in human affairs there is often no possibility of certainty. While there is no spiritual principle involved in the giving of vaccines, that being in the province of the body complex, it is important that you feel that you are doing the appropriate thing for the child.

Consequently, you must take this into your heart after you have learned all the facts that you can. Ponder the resonance of offering the child this healing modality, and we would suggest that for each type of vaccine you move through this process of consulting your rational and linear mind, your intellect, and consulting the wisdom of your heart. For often the heart knows things that it cannot say.

We do not encourage blind movements with no intellectual content, but rather a balanced approach, for you maintain the freedom of your will until you have learned all you can. And then you have pursued your own deepest feelings. We are not saying move with surface emotions or move impulsively, but there is the need to do the best that you can for your child and so it is worth it to move through this process of discernment, using all of the equipment that you have—all of your resources: your intellect, your insight, favoring neither and finding consensus.

It can be said that some things simply are not spiritual, and yet all that there is is composed of love, so how can anything not be spiritual? Spirit exists in all things—in the vaccine, in your child, in the rocks and the sky. And out of all of these gifts of spirit come responsibilities and duties that are an honor to have. And yet it cannot be said that there is no work involved in raising a child.

So, offer this matter and all matters the best of yourself. Be generous. Take the time so that the decision that you come to will be that with which you can live from now on. We thank you for this query.

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