(05-11-2010, 11:27 AM)Pablísimo Wrote: It has occurred to me that I could have been abducted at some point when I was very young. That possibility would explain why the terror is so unreasonable, visceral and unthinking.

Quote:Now let us return to the drama of third density, as both positive and negative entities are consciously attempting to achieve harvestability, to positive fourth density or to negative fourth density. Many are the stories of contacts and arrangements betwixt governments, or individuals within governments, and those who are not from your world. Because there is no way we could speak of these things that would not interfere with the free will of those who hear these words, or read them, we shall simply say that were such things possible they would be part of an illusion which is soon to end, part of the fifth act of a play. You may make it a comedy or a tragedy. It is not anyone’s choice but your own. There have indeed been many, many landings, abductions, and that which seems to be abduction but is in reality work upon the computer within you which you call your brain placing within it programs which seem as much the truth to the one experiencing such, upon awakening, as any other memory. The basic intention here is to create fear. There are other designs of which we cannot speak because of that same law of free will, but we can say that they are inconsequential to those who choose to live a life of faith. Yes, these things are occurring, and yes, many, many positive contacts are also occurring for those who seek in love and light and the purity of intention. Of course both experiences will be far more active towards the end of a cycle.

Your density is quickly moving towards its end, and you shall, each of you, walk the steps of light, and when you find the light that comforts you the most you shall be either third density or fourth. The polarizing that you do now is that which you came to do. The judgment that so many fear among your people is a simple and objective matter of how much density of light you have learned to use. There is no fire and brimstone, objectively speaking, for those who must repeat third density, but only the matter-of-fact reincarnation upon a third-density planet, and another very short period of time, seventy-five thousand years or so, in your measure, to make the choice to love and serve the One Infinite Creator by serving others or by serving the self.

Now, there is fire and brimstone; there are angels and harps; there is anything that an entity has desired by way of healing and expressing that which it wishes after the incarnation, and it may rest in this heaven, or this hell, until it is ready to release the third-density experience in which these things were necessary archetypal images, to undergo the healing of the previous incarnation, to view it, to see that which was learned, and that which was half-learned, and, with the aid of the Higher Self and many other angelic presences, you may call them, or extraterrestrial entities, to determine those lessons upon which each shall focus in its first fourth-density incarnation.

Quote:You are never without the ability to choose that which occurs to you because if you have no fear you may have negative experiences which you will see only as environments in which to learn challenging lessons of love. Positive entities can gaze at one, shall we say, of the loyal opposition, and find in this contact the opportunity to realize that this entity too is a part of the self and is to be loved, and blessed, and prayed for, and cared for, and taken into the heart. It has been said in your holy works that it is easy to love those who love you. Better is it then to love without fear those who revile you and wrongfully use you. These entities who are called greys, or any other entity or situation whatsoever which is attempting to make one feel helpless and out of control, are completely malleable and transformable by love, love unhindered by any fear, for indeed there is nothing to fear.

You, yourself, are not either a good person or a bad person. You are, if you can consider good and bad as the full circle of being, a 360-degree being. It is by your choices that you define who you are and where your loyalties, where your choices, and your faith will lie. And as you move further and further, building choice upon choice and polarizing toward service to others in the name of the One Infinite Creator, as you become more and more a transparent channel for the love and the light of the Infinite One, you create your life. You do not react to it, for the reactions are automatically those of one who seeks to help.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This has occurred although it is much less common than the Orion type of so-called ‘Close Encounter.’ We may note that in a universe of unending unity the concept of a ‘Close Encounter’ is humorous, for are not all encounters of a nature of self with self? Therefore, how can any encounter be less than very, very close?

Quote:Aaron: I am Aaron. Does the right hand need to forgive the left hand? If the baby, the fetus, is kicking in the night and wakes the mother, does the mother need to forgive the fetus? In the first example, the right and left hands are clearly a part of the same being. The mother and fetus still experience that state of non-separation.

The angel aspect of yourself knows it is not separate and never has been separate. It knows the crystal clarity of its oneness, which could never become tarnished. To move into incarnation is to accept the illusion of separation, to agree to this veil of forgetting of your true being. Thus, you move into the illusion that there are spots on the wings, that the body and the mind are unclean in some way.

You have all heard me call you angels in earthsuits. Yes, I, from the human perspective, you practice forgiveness because there has been the experience of pain for the human and the practice of forgiveness opens the heart. It is not just bringing you back to where you were; you are then Love. And there is no limit to the amount of love that you can express. If there were a limit, there would be no reason to move into incarnation. As you are aware, the universe does not run on linear time; there is no rush, no schedule. So, you would rest in the astral planes, picking up those lessons of love easily as they came until you had reached that point where you could say, “I’ve learned it.”

As Q’uo just expressed, that shining light is always ahead. One has never finished, even in sixth density. I am not finished. There is always more to learn about love. You have entered incarnation in faith that this is a tool that will help you to learn about love, not to a finished point, but to continually enhance the process of loving.

We find that the wonder and beauty is that those that have graduated through the earth plane teach love and compassion to the rest of the universe. Truly, the masters of love in our universe are amongst those who have moved through Earth’s catalyst. It is a very powerful teacher. Yes, I like your image: the spot expands.

There was never anything to forgive, but from the human perspective you have practiced forgiveness. And that practice expands you out of the small ego self and into the heart we all share, into that place where there is no individuated self taken as real, but only the illusion of individuated self, as you are learning, too. Thus, you practice forgiveness not so much to forgive, although that is the idea within the relative mind, but to stretch the heart, to move out of your illusions of separation.

You are unbalanced. I said to some of you this morning, you come into incarnation and you immediately pick up thick glasses that serve as microscope. They allow you to tie and untie the knots, to see what you do. But they close you off to the vast perspective that you had before you came into incarnation.

Quote:Aaron: I am Aaron. Can you see that efficiency is often the voice of fear? There is within the human that which wishes to stay in control, not only for its own safety but also for the safety of those around it. It wishes to pattern the universe and make it predictable.

On the astral plane there is never a sense of being unsafe in the way that the human experiences such danger. It is clear on the astral plane that there is nothing that needs to be ordered or controlled, but that disorder has its own delicate and lovely order, and you can just let it flow.

Who wants to be in control? Often your reasons may be the highest: wanting to offer one’s energy in service to all beings, wanting to alleviate suffering. But my dear ones, life is chaos; life is messy. Thoughts and emotions do not arise only when invited, and like good little children reporting themselves and then stepping back into a line. Thoughts and emotions are a class of rowdy children raising their voices out of turn. This is human incarnation.

It is easy to keep your equanimity in heaven. You are here incarnate to learn this equanimity regardless of the catalyst and even regardless of your response to the catalyst. Then, while you are shrieking, “Eeek!” and running from the mouse, there will be that within which is centered, still and knows its safety.

Quote:You know that a plant grows in the sunshine. Even a shade-loving plant must have some light. You would not take a plant, a bulb perhaps, and put it in the best soil, offer it the fertilizer it needed, water it and then put it in a dark closet and expect it to grow. But you do this with yourselves. How do you bring yourself out of that closet?

First, one must be aware that one is in the closet. “I am living in darkness. I have shut myself off.” Seeing that, you make the skillful decision, “I’m going to open the door. I need light in here.” No matter how dark it appears, you may then begin to pray, to seek, to read inspired readings and poetry, to speak to a human friend whose faith is deep. This is not grasping at the light. It is simply opening the shades so that the light that is already there may come in. It does take the skillful decision to emerge from the darkness.

This brings us back to some of the unique patterns of the human. There is this small ego self that we talk about. It is illusion, but within the human experience it feels real and solid. This illusion has one purpose as far as it knows, and that is to maintain itself at all costs. Why? If you are that angel I spoke of yesterday and truly connected with God, why would you want to maintain the illusion of separation? What purpose has this illusion? When you incarnate, you agree to experience this veil of forgetting, an opacity that cuts you off from the clear seeing of your true nature. Again, why? Why agree to that?

For reasons I cannot easily explain, the primary lessons of third density are faith and love. What will teach you faith? If you incarnate with full awareness of who you are and what you are doing in this incarnation, with clear seeing of the divinity in yourself and in all beings and the clear experience of God, where is faith to be learned? But that faith is a foundation. Without that faith the later lessons of wisdom may so easily become distorted and move the being into negative polarity. So these muscles of faith must be built by practice.

You know that there are many planes of learning and that this earth experience is a somewhat new experiment insofar as the entire history of the universe. Perhaps the greatest success of this experiment has been the profundity of the way faith is learned, of the experience of faith on this plane. This is a gift, this veil of forgetting. Because of the veil you cannot take your divinity for granted, but must always move deeper into the experience of it, must always work to separate illusion from deeper reality. And yet, no matter how clearly you experience that deeper reality, as human, it still must be taken as a matter of faith. You are not given proof.

Quote:There has to be a moment of decision: Do I want to linger here in darkness or do I wish to move into the light? Why am I clinging to the darkness? What safety have I found in the darkness? And there is some illusion of safety in darkness. It is a place to hide.

I spoke at the beginning of this talk of the small ego self’s desire to maintain itself. You have grown into the pattern in your human form of thinking of the strength of this self as your protection from that which is thrown at you. “If the self is strong, if I can be in control, then I can control the pain in my life.” But it does not work that way. These catalysts will continue to arise over and over again. You only move yourself into more negativity and fear when you allow the self to act through fear to assert self.

Picturing that being in the dark room the first time it opens the shutters, it may not even have realized that there was light outside. The light seems so bright it feels blinded by it and must close the shutters again quickly. But it soon learns to enjoy and trust that light. It becomes a pattern. When it looks around and sees that the room is too dark, it remembers, “I can open the shutters.”

This remembering is a major part of your work. This is part of the reason why I so emphasize mindfulness. Know when you are sitting in the dark. Know that you have the option to open the shutters. Know that you also have the option to remain in the dark. But if you do so, you have chosen that. Why are you choosing to sit in darkness? Why are you hiding in the darkness? What illusion of protection does the darkness offer as it strengthens the small ego self? Do you really need to continue that pattern, or are you ready to be kinder to yourself and allow yourself to experience your true being?

Quote:Barbara: Aaron says (I am paraphrasing Aaron), at first one tends to leap back and forth. He says picture yourself alone on the seesaw trying to get it to balance. First you run from one end to the other, and then you begin to understand how to keep your weight balanced equally on both ends. He asks you to also remember his image of the box in the infinitely spacious room. The relative rests in the ultimate. You cannot leave the ultimate, only forget about it for awhile.

Aaron: I am Aaron. Of course, for the angel there can be nothing to forgive. How could there be? Of course, for the human, caught deeply in its own small ego self, forgiveness is almost impossible. You are living in a balance, a partnership between, so that the human does not hear there is nothing to forgive, because for the human there is something to forgive. But forgiveness is possible because you recognize that the angel exists and that you are both sides through from human to angel, the balance always changing slightly depending on the needs and clarity of the moment. I pause.

Quote:This is the foundation for the work of all beings in third density. It is through the constant judgment of what you experience that self solidifies and enhances the illusion of separation. You are here to reconfirm that there is no separate self, that the self solidifies through dwelling in delusion. The more you fight with the presence of an emotion, the more self solidifies, the more sense there is, “I must get rid of this or that to purify myself.” What you have to do, then, is to change your relationship to that which arises in you.
When there is judgment against fear, it automatically enhances separation, which brings you back into the dialogue with fear that I spoke of earlier. Then there is a self feeling it should get rid of this and grasp at that. When you notice the arising of fear simply and with compassion to the human caught in that situation, self dissolves. There is no longer a doer. Then all these powerful energies I spoke of earlier, these beautiful seeds of loving-kindness, of patience, of generosity and ever so many more have the opportunity to flourish.

They are not seeds that can flourish in the self that grasps at them. No matter how much you attempt to be patient with a sense, “I should be patient,” you cannot make that blossom grow any more than you can make a rose open by willing it to open. The warm light of love shined on it, the warm sunshine, is what allows the rose to open, is what allows generosity, patience, loving-kindness, energy, truthfulness, to express themselves through you.

At this point the lower chakras are open, not because you have willed them to open by willing a riddance of the issues concerned therein, but by creating so much space that the issues simply fall away. You find the ability to smile at this being that wants to be in control—not to laugh at it, not to mock it in any way or to take its pain less than fully seriously, but to hold it in love.

This is the work for which you incarnated. We have spoken of this before. The lessons of compassion and wisdom are valuable, and there is no reason not to start on those lessons in third density; but you are here to learn love and faith. And if there is not a firm foundation of those lessons of love and faith, then lessons of the higher densities will become distorted.

What does it mean to love unconditionally? What does it mean to have faith? That is another seed within you. How can you allow that seed of faith to blossom? By the constant reminder: Everything within this human experience, all the physical sensations, all the emotions, are acceptable.

Quote:To deny it is to bury it and torment yourself to prevent its re-arising someplace else. To act it out is not a viable option past a certain place in your spiritual path. You forget that you have a third choice, which is to find a spacious presence with this difficult energy, neither denying it nor manifesting it further. You see it as a result and bring attention to the causes, to fear itself and to the delusion of separation, but with compassion for the human who knows fear, who is caught in the illusion.

Quote:In truth, there is nothing to fear.

You are dwelling within a certain kind of illusion and your consciousness has created about itself a physical vehicle which moves this consciousness around. It offers a great deal of benefit to the consciousness inhabiting the physical vehicle.

When something occurs that creates an unviability to the physical vehicle, your consciousness will move onward without a break. You shall continue.
At heart, then, there is nothing to fear. For any circumstance whatever is as it is, until it changes. The changes are inevitable. The only question is the timing. You shall always, in this density of choice that is the Earth world, find yourself in the process of change and transformation.

If the fear that you feel is at heart a hollow thing, it is a matter of becoming more aware of the dynamic to fear. The dynamic to fear is love. Fear and love do not coexist, any more than light and dark coexist.

And just like light, love cannot be killed by fear. It shines even in the most hostile environment, just as does light. Even the light of a tiny candle creates a significant glow and illumination to the eye. The love within you is waiting for you to embrace it. It is something that you can do quite consciously. However, there is a significant amount of discipline involved in availing yourself of the catalyst that is incoming at this time, and using it in a positive manner.

When you sense fear within yourself, do not devolve into an inner atmosphere of self doubt and upset. Look at that fear. Intensify that fear. Become fully aware of your fear. And then ask for its opposite. Allow yourself to become aware of love, that love that flows all around you at all times; that love of the one infinite Creator which is without any limit.

Quote:Yet within your illusion, you move in a darkness and in a manner which requires the careful choosing of polarity, shall we say. For in order to do work of a spiritual nature, the battery of the seeker must be polarized as purely as possible. This polarization process proceeds for much of what you call time through many experiences. And as the seeking becomes more and more refined, the seeker in the positive polarity is able to appreciate more and more the essence of the one Creator which resides in all things, including those entities who have chosen to express the negative polarity of the one infinite Creator. Such a positive entity with this ability to appreciate the one Creator in all is an entity which has refined the process of seeking to a degree where all is seen as one; all is seen as the one infinite Creator and there is no polarity at this point.

May we answer you further, my sister?

Carla: I take it that’s quite a ways down the road?

I am Latwii, and we would agree, my sister, that for the seeker of truth in the positive sense this is quite a lengthy journey and reaches its culmination, shall we say, at the mid-sixth density level, at which time for any entity wishing to continue the process of evolution, it is necessary to see all as the one Creator. Yet it is possible from time to time on this journey for any entity to so purify its own thinking that it is able to experience the unity of all the creation for briefer moments.

May we answer you further, my sister?

Carla: No, just an observation that that sounds in some ways like risky business.

I am Latwii, and in one sense, my sister, we would agree. Each seeker of truth finds the path laid before it in a manner which leads inevitably to the one Creator. For in each moment the one Creator is all that is. Yet as the one Creator seeks to know Itself and has portioned Itself throughout the one creation in the positive and negative senses, those entities who travel this path of evolution will find that path, though inevitably leading to the one Creator, can be a path which has many surprises for those whose step is not sure and whose attention has been diverted for the moment. And it may be necessary from time to time for the seeker to learn lessons which may be described as difficult. Yet each lesson teaches love, wisdom and unity for those who are alert to the possibilities within difficulty.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. In two circumstances this is so. Firstly, if there has been the pre-incarnative choice that, for instance, one shall not take life in the service of the cultural group, events shall fall in a protective manner. Secondly, if any entity is able to dwell completely in unity the only harm that may occur to it is the changing of the outward physical, yellow-ray vehicle into the more light-filled mind/body/spirit complex’s vehicle by the process of death. All other suffering and pain is as nothing to one such as this.

Quote:Love, my friends, is not what man perceives within his intellect. Love is not the emotion that is felt for another. Love is not attachment to any given thing. Love is totally detached, yet infinitely united within truth, within the light of the Creator. All things are united due to the existence of love. In experiencing the concept of love, there are many things which must be learned before you can truly comprehend the infinity of the concept. Love is all that exists. Love is all things which you experience and which you can see. Love at many times may appear to be what you might call negative in its effect upon you or others, yet, my friends, you must indeed, in order to learn, be exposed and have experience on what you would call both sides of the coin. You must be aware of the negativity which exists within your present experience as only an assistant to your learning process. You are assisted by those acts which you consider to be negative in that they allow you to weigh within yourself the value of that which you consider to be negative and that which you consider to be positive.

Quote:Becoming the Creator is a process of allowing consciousness to supplant the intellect. You can be nothing else but the Creator. That is a given, although you cannot prove this. You can only know it by faith. Faith and unknowing alone will tell you that you are a spark of the Creator, a holograph, in a way, of the Godhead principle, shall we say. Your deepest self vibrates in unconditional love as part of the Creator. Consequently, becoming the Creator is a matter of allowing this impersonal, deeply loving consciousness to become a greater and greater part of your everyday beingness. The “I” of you will become more and more deeply and truly the “I” that is you as you enter more and more into the awareness of consciousness, where the “I” is an “I” that is one with Christ, one with unconditional love. It is not that you become unconditional love, for you were unconditional love the whole time. It is that you find ways, as you come to know yourself and accept yourself just the way you are, to allow consciousness in.

You see, there is a part of the intellect that fears extinction. And it fears that if the consciousness of love, which is impersonal, becomes more and more a part of your personality, you shall lose your individuality. My friends, nothing could be less true. It is only as you begin to become aware of the deepest part of yourself, that part that is a servant of the light, that you find yourself breathing more freely and being able to do those things that you do in the world with a fresh eagerness and an appetite for more. For life becomes sweet and beautiful and adventurous when you are that entity who awakens to a new day with the awareness of eternity as well as the world of finite things.

It is a long journey. It is a journey which will close as you close your earthly eyes for the last time. It is a long game, a game which has a simple strategy: know the self, accept the self, become the Creator. As you discover the deeper parts of yourself, the Creator-self, you will find that your eyes are opened to find the good and the love and the peace that is possible in all situations. You will find yourself becoming sturdier, more stable, more unfazed by the world of ten thousand things, as this instrument would say.

Quote:Take the long view, my friends. Find the lightness of heart that this gives you, the balance of opinion, and the thoughtfulness, and eventually, the faith that it offers. [For when there is no reason to anything within the illusion, then it is that that which is mysterious outside of the illusion has the only possibility of being real.] Gaze at that pontificated reality, and realize that that reality, that mystery, is love, an energy indescribable. The infinite intelligence of the one Creator is love, unpotentiated, unpolarized, unaware. It merely loves. The active principle of free will is chosen again and again by the Creator, Who chooses to make a creation and form active principles of Itself that It may learn of Its own nature. We already know the answer: the nature of the Creator is love; the nature of you is love; the nature of your circumstances is love. Whatever they may be, all is as it should be; all offers the catalyst that is required at the present time.

Quote:You see, my friends, you are a jailer as well as a prisoner. In most entities the jailer is the stronger of the two entities. And so the entity moves through the life depending on outside help. You do not need to depend on any outside help, my friends. You do not need us, you do not need any teacher. You merely need persistence, determination, and a kind of respect for the self that must be the foundation of seeking. The core of you is the infinite love of the one Creator. You are the Creator within. This is not evident; it is not intended to be. You must seek this beingness within. We can be with you in your meditations; we can strengthen your meditations. We cannot strengthen your persistence, your determination or your seeking. We cannot purify your intent, or widen your point of view. You must leave that to the consciousness that is within you, the purified and ever more purified emotion that comes forward as bliss, ecstasy, passion, intensity and, paradoxically, peace. All these things are within you.

This is where that which is called faith becomes evidently different from that which is called belief, for inner-planes masters are those who have believed certain things, who have certain pathways to follow to graduate from third density. They are legitimate. There is a blindness to them, since the higher densities have been bypassed by the entity’s immediate realization of the one infinite Creator. This may seem to be a great advantage, but it is as if you were only visiting and must go home. The only way to move back to the source, the only way to become unpotentiated love once again, the only way to find and be the Grail, is to walk this dusty path, learning of the self, of the beingness, of compassion and wisdom and balance, in that order, so that one may at last, having experienced much, turn and offer to the Creator the one gift that is most excellent and holy: the self, with all the richness of its learning.

Quote:A negative entity will be sickened by true love. The challenge here is that it needs to be genuine, heartfelt love, not that which is applied as a Band-Aid from the intellect. This love for the Creator must come from the heart.

(05-11-2010, 08:55 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Cyclops, I am so impressed at how you always manage to pull out all the relevant quotes!

(05-11-2010, 11:27 AM)Pablísimo Wrote: Hello!

I have been deathly afraid of Grey aliens since I was a small child.

(05-11-2010, 03:03 PM)JoshC Wrote: I don't have any spiritual guidance for this topic, but if you would like to try something called systematic desensitization, that could potentially help you reduce your fear of the greys.

Systematic desensitization is recognized as the treatment in cognitive therapy for phobias.

When you can do this whole process dealing with the number 1 on your list for about 5 seconds,

repeat all these steps with the number 2 on your list. Then 3, 4, 5, 10, etc. Obviously this will get harder and harder as you go higher up the list, but even if you make it to 5 or 10, your fear will be reduced somewhat of them.

(05-11-2010, 04:30 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Can you imagine what exactly makes you fearful of the Greys, then imagining what their motivation for having those qualities might be, accepting it as valid, forgiving it, realizing that they are one with you and as consequence loving them?

(05-11-2010, 04:30 PM)Lavazza Wrote: P.S. kudos for having no fear of sharks!

(05-11-2010, 08:51 PM)Cyclops Wrote: This is a long post but there is a hierarchy which starts from the general concerns of thought forms of alien abductions and general fears in that area with greys included. Following is the nature of fear which I think connects here and beyond that the teachings of unity, balance and the disciplines of oneness which may be invoked as true protection.

(05-11-2010, 08:51 PM)Cyclops Wrote: There's a not so hidden secret in the sessions on the nature of true love, And that is that it is unbiased always and unconditional. Intelligent infinity which is the one infinite creator has no bias and sought to know it's nature, everything is permissible and all experiences shall be experienced. Therefore the true defense would be to recognize that it is not needed, pure balance and an impersonal view is what is said to be unconditional love. It is the great protector when you really realize that no one part of the creation is undesirable or actually needed to be feared, and if it is thought as such then there is distortion of unconditional impersonal unbiased love. Fear is a distortion of love and therefore at least to me I believe it should be met with utter balance, that detached yet learning entity. Invoking balance and faith is like opening the door to the creator, seek the subtly hidden deeper distortions underneath the greys which are feared so much. For I suspect there are deeper roots of spiritual lessons beyond the simple manifestations of the fear of greys.

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(05-11-2010, 11:27 AM)Pablísimo Wrote: It has occurred to me that I could have been abducted at some point when I was very young. That possibility would explain why the terror is so unreasonable, visceral and unthinking.

This would certainly explain it. And yet, it could also be the key to alleviating the fear. Why? Because, if you were abducted, what does that tell you?

It tells you that you survived.

I invite you to ponder that. If you survived, then the fear of being abducted may be worse than the reality itself. Sometimes it helps, when dealing with a fear, to actually confront the worst case scenario.

If it did happen, you were very young. You were defenseless, essentially. You didn't have the knowledge or the tools you have now. So there's no way it could be nearly as frightening, as an adult, as it was as a child.

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Have you considered doing a regression or hypnosis? Evidently, many who believe they were abducted have found healing in such methods.

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: A less confrontative method, that you might consider, is shamanic soul retrieval. The premise for soul retrieval is that a sliver of the personality got stuck in a state of fear, due to some traumatic event. It may allow re-integration of the splintered self, without necessarily directly going back into the traumatic event. (Although some techniques do just that, but it's done consciously, rather than under hypnosis.)

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Could it be that the fear is totally unfounded?

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Consider this: What if you were never abducted by aliens at all, but just took on a fear that manifested in that form, because of something you saw in a tv show or movie?

The scene you describe, of being terrified of being pulled out your bedroom window, sounds strikingly familiar.

Aha!!! I remember where I saw that exact scene: The X-Files.

Were you a child in the 1980s, perhaps? If someone in your house was watching The X-Files, and you saw it when you were too young to understand, that could surely explain your irrational fear!

Perhaps your fear is based on something really simple like that. Perhaps you were never abducted at all, but just saw a scary tv show!

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If so, then it might be easily remedied: Just buy or rent The X-Files 'Alien' episodes (we have it on a shelf somewhere...forgot what it was called...but it's a set of all the alien episodes, minus the creature features). If you were to watch them with you new, adult perspective, following the storyline, that might not be so scary anymore.

Wait! I know you said it is virtually impossible to even see a picture of a Gray. But, perhaps - and this is only an idea - perhaps if you were to see the tv show in its proper context, and see all its flaws

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That's all presupposing the fear was rooted in seeing an X-Files episode(s). I don't think this idea is far-fetched, after my experience with the hand and the monster!

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Next: Have you read Secrets of the UFO? I don't remember whether it was in that, or in the Law of One, that it was stated that many abductions took place for the purpose of 'waking up' the person.

(05-11-2010, 08:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: PS. When children are abused, they sometimes transfer the fear of the abuser onto something else. In fact, some psychologists (who don't believe in aliens) think that all abductees are actually just fabricating the whole alien abduction story, and what really happened was that they just transferred the fear of their abuser onto a fictitious alien.

We know aliens really do exist, and some are STO while others are STS, and undoubtedly many are like humans - mixed polarity. However, that doesn't rule out the possibility that transference didn't actually take place. In other words, just because there really are aliens doesn't mean that everyone with a fear of aliens was actually abducted.

While some people who believe themselves to be abducteesmight really be abductees, others might not be at all. They might be victims of child abuse who were never abducted, but simply transferred the fear of the abuser into a convenient alien, after seeing a tv show like The X-Files.

Unfortunately, there are many forms of abuse, and children, ill-equipped to handle it, often build walls in their psyches, to avoid the pain. I would surmise that, somehow, as a child you associated aliens with something that happened to you. The actual event might have had nothing at all to do with aliens.

(05-12-2010, 10:47 AM)dolphin Wrote: Try watching this. It might help.

Interview with Peter Sterling relating his encounter with two friendly GREY's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQbf4vOx_g

(05-12-2010, 10:47 AM)dolphin Wrote: Always try and remember to remind yourself of the old saying that goes: "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself."

That won't work if your actually being subjected to intentional harm, but there is no reason to assume that when you have your next encounter your going to be subjected to it.

Point is until your actually subjected to harm, or threatened directly during an encounter there is no basis for fear.

I am trying to appeal to your rationality and logic to control your emotion. In other words approach the issue as if you were a Vulcan.

(05-12-2010, 01:29 PM)Pablísimo Wrote: There's nothing saying that if I should meet some of them that it has to be a negative experience.

(05-12-2010, 02:14 PM)dolphin Wrote: There is no way in my opinion that you will likely ever meet an alien more scarry than that doctor was.

(05-12-2010, 01:29 PM)Pablísimo Wrote: Well, just to be clear I only meant I had considered the possibility that I could have been abducted when very young, I'm not actually claiming that I was abducted. I have absolutely no memories of any abduction nor really any other evidence to suggest that it ever happened. I'm open-minded enough to at least allow for the possibility that they did something to me a long time ago, but due to a lack of memories or evidence, I am mostly operating under the assumption that the fear is baseless.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: I would also like to add my .02 and some possible solutions.

Pablisimo, it's funny... I could have written your original message VERBATIM! I have also grown up with a fear of the Greys. No other alien type bothers me, except for them.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: In the past, if I walked past Wesley Streiber's book "Communion" and saw the grey on the cover, I would break out in a sweat, my heart would race, and I would lapse into a fearful "fight or flight" moment, much like you've experienced at the lake.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: I have always avoided movies depicting greys, and have decided no to watch Encounters of the Third Kind, because I know there is an alien scene there that seems rather "skeevy". I was taken by surprise when I saw the aliens in Raiders of the Lost Ark:Crystal Skull, and in Spielberg's A.I.: Artificial Intelligence. Those did not go over well with me! I would even get nervous seeing the simple little two-color graphic of an alien head with the almond eyes. You know which one I mean, I'm sure!

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Like you, I have no recollection of any abductions, nor do I believe in my heart that I have been (at least in this lifetime). I know that as a kid, I was never abused, and my sister also does not recall anything unusual from our childhood. I do believe, however, that it is entirely possible I was "messed with" against my will, in a past incarnation, and that the highly charged emotional experience bled over into this life as unresolved trauma or some sort of karma that I decided to "parlay" for my next life to resolve.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: But in your original post, the one thing I noticed you didn't talk about are your dreams. Why is that? Have you had any dreams with greys?

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: First, perhaps I can relate this one quick story... There was a point that I got heavily into tarot cards, runes and crystals, and I would experiment with them without knowing how important it is to protect oneself with divine light. One day I was playing with the cards and the crystals at the same time, intending to draw upon the knowledge of the cards. Again, I was doing this powerful exercise without protection, which was a HUGE mistake. While I was unwittingly jumping into the rabbit hole, I suddenly felt "attacked" by an incredibly strong force field. It was like reality was instantly ripped from me and slammed back into my face, disorienting me for a moment. Without any conscious thought, my body immediately shot up from sitting Indian style and bolted out the back door and wrapped itself around a tree. I say "it" did it, because I would have NEVER hugged a tree. I am just not that type of person.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: From there it got worse. Every night I went to bed from that day on, I suffered a negative greeting in my mind from a negative grey who had red glowing nostrils. It would be present in my mind as if it were face to face with me, but there was nothing there when I opened my eyes. And as I tried to go to sleep, it would just keep itself staring at me up close, no matter what I tried to think about. It was really quite disturbing!!!

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Thankfully, I knew some intuitive lightworkers who dealt with energy and dreams. This one helpful woman confirmed the next day that I had some negative attachments to my energy body, and agreed to sever the bonds the next time I went to bed.

That night, I dreamt of that woman who helped me, which to me validated that she had entered into the astral and performed a sort of Shamanic type of exercise to cut the bonds. Would you believe, from that night onward, I never had another "face-to-face" encounter with that negative being again!

[take note: this was an energetic bond that was resolved in the dream state]

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Now. That didn't stop me from totally fearing these guys! Even though the woman had helped me out, I still lived life very much afraid of greys. It took many more years of reading about them and avoiding any visual exposure before I came across some material on cutting negative cords again.

When I followed the advice of the article, which I will share with you now, I soon had a transforming dream, and from that point on (as of 2009), I am no longer afraid of greys (for the most part)! In fact, I can look at all grey-related web sites now, I can pass Streiber's book and give attention to the grey that once made me freak out. Yes, my heart still jumped a beat when David threw up a Grey without warning on his Event Horizon video, but it wasn't nearly enough to send me to the hills like it would have a few years ago.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: With all respect, I see what people are offering as advice on here, and there certainly are some great suggestions. But if you are anything like me (since we seem to have had seemingly mirrored experiences) I know most of the recommendations wouldn't do anything for me.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Why? Because I strongly believe the problem that we both have exists in a different plane; it's not something that we can solve here in 3rd density. After all, if it could be solved in 3rd density, why wouldn't it have been already? We both tried sending love in meditation, we both have worked on releasing the fears in our own ways. So why didn't it work?

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: You and I are not afraid of any other alien types, so what's the big deal if an alien is a little green martian from Mars, or one that is in the shape of a grey? To someone who is not afraid of greys, there would be no difference to them. An alien is an alien. Yet to you and me, it's like comparing black to white. Sure, they are both colors, but at completely opposite ends.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: So what I'm getting at is that I strongly believe you can get over it the way I did. The way you do it is to sit in meditation and ask your Higher Self to please help you work out your fear "in the dream state". This is critical! Because now you are putting energy towards resolving this in the astral, where the source of this energy is coming from.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: After casually doing that mental exercise for about a month, I had an epic dream.

I was at my childhood house, and I was looking at what appeared to be a Weber grill. The ones that look like a circular, domed grill, right? Well, in my dream the grill "morphed" into a full sized UFO with green triangles around its equator. I started to get nervous in my dream, and I had the "knowing" that it was going to turn into an encounter, but I could not do anything about it.

Well, the next thing I know, there was a female grey in the dining room of the house. And around me were a bunch of friends who all grabbed a part of me, as if to restrain me. The grey then extended her tongue into my nose and up into my mind! I know this sounds crazy, but that was the symbolism in the dream. It was warm and comfortable, and the grey was giving off a very loving vibration. I did not feel for one second that it was a hostile encounter. Well, no sooner did her tongue finish extending across the room and then retracting, she came over to me and said, "Touch my skin." And basically I obliged to touch her awkward skin, which I remember feeling the bones underneath. It wasn't exactly pleasant of a sensation, but that thought was quickly overpowered by loving vibes.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: When I woke up that morning, I instantly knew that I was visited in the astral by a positive grey. And I am 100% convinced she did it as a way to take away my fear that plagued me for much of my 20s and early 30s. Ever since that happened, I have been completely fine with the greys, Pablisimo!

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: So as far as my advice, it seems that if you can get the situation to be resolved through intention and the dream state, that you can get the matter worked out to the point that you can deal with it on a day to day basis.

It's not 100%... I mentioned that I still get an extra heartbeat and that "fret" feeling, although it is a lot more mild and tolerable than it used to be.

I hope my experience can help you consider the approach!

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: First, perhaps I can relate this one quick story... There was a point that I got heavily into tarot cards, runes and crystals, and I would experiment with them without knowing how important it is to protect oneself with divine light. One day I was playing with the cards and the crystals at the same time, intending to draw upon the knowledge of the cards. Again, I was doing this powerful exercise without protection, which was a HUGE mistake. While I was unwittingly jumping into the rabbit hole, I suddenly felt "attacked" by an incredibly strong force field. It was like reality was instantly ripped from me and slammed back into my face, disorienting me for a moment. Without any conscious thought, my body immediately shot up from sitting Indian style and bolted out the back door and wrapped itself around a tree. I say "it" did it, because I would have NEVER hugged a tree. I am just not that type of person.

Quote:OK, just so I'm clear, do you think this experience is what caused your fear of the Greys? That is, did you have fear of them prior to this incident? I'm wondering if perhaps the negative attack used an image your mind already found frightening or if this is actually what caused the phobia in your case. Try as I might, I can't point to any one experience or incident that "caused" my own phobia.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Thankfully, I knew some intuitive lightworkers who dealt with energy and dreams. This one helpful woman confirmed the next day that I had some negative attachments to my energy body, and agreed to sever the bonds the next time I went to bed.

That night, I dreamt of that woman who helped me, which to me validated that she had entered into the astral and performed a sort of Shamanic type of exercise to cut the bonds. Would you believe, from that night onward, I never had another "face-to-face" encounter with that negative being again!

[take note: this was an energetic bond that was resolved in the dream state]

Quote:Hmmm.....Interesting. So this woman helped you IN the dream state, this was not some kind of ceremony in the physical that severed the bond.

Quote:Oh my, I wish I could get to that point! That sounds so much better than the state I am currently in. I am going to try your suggestion. I have to admit to you, that it scares me a little. The idea of intentionally causing a dream with a Grey in it is terrifying. I am going to have to work up to it over a few days of contemplation. But I want to try.

(05-13-2010, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Why? Because I strongly believe the problem that we both have exists in a different plane; it's not something that we can solve here in 3rd density. After all, if it could be solved in 3rd density, why wouldn't it have been already? We both tried sending love in meditation, we both have worked on releasing the fears in our own ways. So why didn't it work?

Quote:So you believe this is an ASTRAL issue and that is why all of these 3D attempts to tackle it are not working! That makes sense to me on a very deep level. I guess I wasn't allowing myself to see that the fear had any validity, but viewing it as an astral problem changes the dynamic considerably.

Quote:I wonder what the symbolism of the tongue meant. This dream sounds terrifying at first, with being held down and the tongue... but you say you felt love and positivity? That is, you weren't panicking in the dream? This was a loving, positive being that was emanating goodness?

Quote:Oh wow!! How incredible. So some STO Grey being heard your call and visited you astrally. And just that one dream was what turned this around for you? Incredible!! And beautiful, in a way.

(05-15-2010, 06:29 PM)Pablísimo Wrote: Your story was a major inspiration to me, and I can't thank you enough for sharing it with me.

(05-18-2010, 09:13 PM)thefool Wrote: I would like to request anybody reading this post to stop right now and take a moment and send your highest love/light to our dear friend Pablisimo so that he can use this perceived fear for his highest good

(07-15-2012, 08:20 AM)plenum Wrote: are grey aliens good or bad?

(07-15-2012, 08:20 AM)plenum Wrote: are grey aliens good or bad?

(07-15-2012, 08:20 AM)plenum Wrote: are grey aliens good or bad?