(04-24-2016, 02:04 PM)anagogy Wrote: I absolutely agree.  Either everyone/everything is your family or nothing is.  Otherwise, the attachment is only as deep as the lower triad of energy centers.  Easier said than done, as usual.

(04-25-2016, 04:17 PM)Glow Wrote: I think what anagogy and I are describing is different than what you guys are.

Universal love/unconditional love is love for all. It truely is unconditional because you don't even have to know the being exists to love them and want the best for them, growth peace and love.
They could have been your murderer, or even think of those beautiful people who's child was murdered but they extend love and forgiveness to the perpetrator. THAT is unconditional love,.

Family love has root(security) sacral(tribal) and solarplexus(me/mine) so these conditions certainly lead to green Ray heart activation if the person is open to it BUT it had conditions to get there. No doubt it's a beautiful thing but what makes it so passionate is the red/orange/yellow springboard to green.

Getting to green with none of those is technically what unconditional/universal love is.

I personally surmise the family bond is where people learn to open green ray either in this life or other lives. It is a great teacher, a great cataliyst and springboard, but it's conditional unless you can extend that love to all.

I can love all but it isn't that hot intense love, I don't think it is suppose to be, that hot passionate stuff is the excitement felt at meeting those who resonate. Perhaps in other densities we resonate with each other so well that universal/unconditional love in that illusion is all hot and intense but here it's different.

(04-25-2016, 05:56 PM)Aion Wrote: Doesn't your family have to be included in unconditional love?

(04-25-2016, 05:21 PM)Aion Wrote: I just have a hard time grasping this concept of unconditional love when it comes to the self.

If you love "without reason and without expectation", how do you do that without expecting yourself to do that and without the reason that you want to do it without reason? I'm splitting hairs with words here, but that's because it's a key semantic point.

I understand what you're trying to say is "without expectation of return", but that is different than strictly without reason or expectation. Even if your reason is "because we are one", you still have a reason. The expectation is still "more positivity" or "more love" or any other kind of empowerment.

The fact is that we choose to love because we believe it is positive and it is delusional to think we are not gaining that benefit or do not have that reason.

(04-25-2016, 06:20 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 05:21 PM)Aion Wrote: I just have a hard time grasping this concept of unconditional love when it comes to the self.

If you love "without reason and without expectation", how do you do that without expecting yourself to do that and without the reason that you want to do it without reason? I'm splitting hairs with words here, but that's because it's a key semantic point.

I understand what you're trying to say is "without expectation of return", but that is different than strictly without reason or expectation. Even if your reason is "because we are one", you still have a reason. The expectation is still "more positivity" or "more love" or any other kind of empowerment.

The fact is that we choose to love because we believe it is positive and it is delusional to think we are not gaining that benefit or do not have that reason.

I think it is more accurately described as a matter of having genuine concern for another's well being without that empathy being affected by the others behavior -- as in, you care regardless of their actions.  There doesn't have to be a "reason" why, or an expectation of yourself, or whatever, you might just feel empathy because that's where you are, or who you are.  If you care for someone but then they treat you like garbage and then you don't, there was love, but it wasn't as strong and unwavering as a solid crystallized green ray, which doesn't wobble due to another's actions.  To be honest, I don't think it is something you can just choose to do, rather I think you just reach a certain point in your evolution where you just aren't swayed by another's behavior and then it becomes unconditional.

It's like when someone attacks you, what is your honest emotional reaction? Do you see the suffering of the person lashing out asking to be healed, or do you just see some a****** who decided to be a jerk today?  I think after a certain point, you can't help but see that all disconnection is a cry for help at some level, which allows for one to see such acts of separation in a compassionate light. So love is more like "not being indifferent to another's well being, or lack thereof".  It doesn't have anything to do with expectation in my opinion, rather just "giving a s***" as opposed to "not giving a s***".

So maybe green ray is best described as just "caring", and when you "stop caring" your green ray has dimmed, and when your green ray is crystallized, you don't really ever stop caring and it is then deemed "unconditional".  I think it is very natural, at the human level to not care often.  But it is the goal of this density to eventually feel genuine unwavering concern for our fellow beings.

(04-25-2016, 07:23 PM)Aion Wrote: I see what you are saying, but there is a basis for the concept of caring. What does it really mean? We can say we want "the best" for a person, but when thoughts become actions how does that translate?

(04-25-2016, 07:50 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 07:23 PM)Aion Wrote: I see what you are saying, but there is a basis for the concept of caring. What does it really mean? We can say we want "the best" for a person, but when thoughts become actions how does that translate?

I think there are too many answers to really quantify it. I think the word "empathy" would apply. Their pain becomes your pain. Their joy becomes your joy. Beyond that I'm not sure.

(04-25-2016, 07:55 PM)Aion Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 07:50 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 07:23 PM)Aion Wrote: I see what you are saying, but there is a basis for the concept of caring. What does it really mean? We can say we want "the best" for a person, but when thoughts become actions how does that translate?

I think there are too many answers to really quantify it. I think the word "empathy" would apply. Their pain becomes your pain. Their joy becomes your joy. Beyond that I'm not sure.

I've always wondered where such an empathic 'chain' begins. For example, in a situation where you are maybe feeling decent and then you come in to contact with someone who has pain and then from empathy you might get or experience the pain, however, I wonder, why isn't it that they instead feel better or decent? How is one supposed to cope with continuously experiencing not just their own joys and pains but also those of all those around them?

(04-25-2016, 05:21 PM)Aion Wrote: I just have a hard time grasping this concept of unconditional love when it comes to the self.

If you love "without reason and without expectation", how do you do that without expecting yourself to do that and without the reason that you want to do it without reason? I'm splitting hairs with words here, but that's because it's a key semantic point.

I understand what you're trying to say is "without expectation of return", but that is different than strictly without reason or expectation. Even if your reason is "because we are one", you still have a reason. The expectation is still "more positivity" or "more love" or any other kind of empowerment.

The fact is that we choose to love because we believe it is positive and it is delusional to think we are not gaining that benefit or do not have that reason.

(04-25-2016, 08:38 PM)Glow Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 05:21 PM)Aion Wrote: I just have a hard time grasping this concept of unconditional love when it comes to the self.

If you love "without reason and without expectation", how do you do that without expecting yourself to do that and without the reason that you want to do it without reason? I'm splitting hairs with words here, but that's because it's a key semantic point.

I understand what you're trying to say is "without expectation of return", but that is different than strictly without reason or expectation. Even if your reason is "because we are one", you still have a reason. The expectation is still "more positivity" or "more love" or any other kind of empowerment.

The fact is that we choose to love because we believe it is positive and it is delusional to think we are not gaining that benefit or do not have that reason.

I don't think it's something that can be a consious decision. The reason is because that's who you are. When I was 17 I had an awakening. 20+ years ago and no internet I didn't know what it was but after a horrible life of every abuse I accepted Christ, and that night laying in bed my heart region grew very hot. It's actually the reason for my name. It felt hot like light. It felt like an expansion of light and I spontaneously started visualizing sending that light out to people and the world. That was cough 22 years ago no internet and I was in a Christian faith who certainly didn't talk of such things. After that I started driving down the road sending blessings to everyone I saw.

So from that I can only see the condition was me. No one else had any effect, the condition of unconditional love is within the one who is loving.

Edited to add I am no longer a Christian, the bible isn't a true interpretation of Christ consiousness in my opinion.  It's hidden in there but covered in muck.

(04-25-2016, 08:24 PM)Aion Wrote: That's a good approach, I think there are lots of different techniques for this. Personally, I experience energy very tangibly and in many cases I can see it. For me, I eventually realized that every empathic interaction is an energy transfer, attempting to move from one to another and back. I realized that so long as I can perceive that interaction I can stay "outside" of it. There are many cases where I will empathize and at first wonder what is up with myself, then suddenly realize I've tuned in to someone else and it'll just kind of split, I'll notice the difference between "me" and "them", or rather the difference in frequencies.

Ultimately, every energy that enters in to the system is trying to make its way up to the crown, although it may be discharged at blue. So I eventually realized that part of the reason for the difficulty with handling empathy what because I would try to "hold on" to the energy as I identified with it. So now, I have learned that the best way is forward, to keep things moving and transforming.

I basically view it that systems try to equalize. So when there is a strong charge in one system and it encounters another system which is in difference then the energy will try to equally spread itself across the systems. What you have to be careful of is being who consciously keep themselves in lower emotional states cause unlike those working from pain, that vibration likely won't be lifted by that approach.

(04-25-2016, 08:42 PM)Aion Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 08:38 PM)Glow Wrote:

(04-25-2016, 05:21 PM)Aion Wrote: I just have a hard time grasping this concept of unconditional love when it comes to the self.

If you love "without reason and without expectation", how do you do that without expecting yourself to do that and without the reason that you want to do it without reason? I'm splitting hairs with words here, but that's because it's a key semantic point.

I understand what you're trying to say is "without expectation of return", but that is different than strictly without reason or expectation. Even if your reason is "because we are one", you still have a reason. The expectation is still "more positivity" or "more love" or any other kind of empowerment.

The fact is that we choose to love because we believe it is positive and it is delusional to think we are not gaining that benefit or do not have that reason.

I don't think it's something that can be a consious decision. The reason is because that's who you are. When I was 17 I had an awakening. 20+ years ago and no internet I didn't know what it was but after a horrible life of every abuse I accepted Christ, and that night laying in bed my heart region grew very hot. It's actually the reason for my name. It felt hot like light. It felt like an expansion of light and I spontaneously started visualizing sending that light out to people and the world. That was cough 22 years ago no internet and I was in a Christian faith who certainly didn't talk of such things. After that I started driving down the road sending blessings to everyone I saw.

So from that I can only see the condition was me. No one else had any effect, the condition of unconditional love is within the one who is loving.

Edited to add I am no longer a Christian, the bible isn't a true interpretation of Christ consiousness in my opinion.  It's hidden in there but covered in muck.

That is precisely what I was saying.

Although, even saying the reason is because of who you are, that makes it sound like there are people who are incapable, but I don't think that's true.

Aion Wrote:I don't think you "get to green" without balancing those lower centers, so your concept makes no sense to me. Over-activating the green-ray will just result in imbalance with the lower centers, not magical unconditional love, imo.

Quote:The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.