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Negative Polarity & BDSM - JasonD - 09-29-2016
Hi,
I wanted to ask a question about this particular quote in the Law of One regarding bondage:
Quote:The yellow ray is a focal and very powerful ray and concerns the entity in relation to, shall we say, groups, societies, or large numbers of mind/body/spirit complexes. This orange — we correct ourselves — this yellow-ray vibration is at the heart of bellicose actions in which one group of entities feel the necessity and right of dominating other groups of entities and bending their wills to the wills of the masters. The negative path, as you would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Infinite Unity - 09-29-2016
To me polarity is a question that comes down to each individual. How do you feel whilst doing the role playing acts? Do you feel dominating? Even if you like it, really ask yourself. A lot of things come down to how each individual sees, and responds to each situation, or nexus of experience. Polarity is not imprisoned in what people think of you, as much as the impact of your choices/actions on other selves, and your self. The true answer of polarity and which way your going can not be determined by other people in 3rd density or humans. It is an internal conversation. Relating to your being per nexus.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - sjel - 09-29-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
well it's not truly domination if there's an agreement beforehand. I've never participated in this sort of thing but I imagine that there's a look in both parties' eyes that says "isn't this fun and exciting?" both parties, if this is practiced by positive entities, would be having a good time. If it were negative, then only one entity would be experiencing pleasure, the other pain.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - anagogy - 09-29-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
It comprises a negatively polarized sexual energy transfer, but then, so do a lot of random things we do in our lives in our modern world. Hell, most employer/employee relations comprise a great deal of negatively polarized energy exchanges. Our society is rife with things like that.
The point is, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It takes a lot more than the occasional negatively polarized sexual energy transfer to change your dominant energy polarity. And in fact, most of non-BDSM sexual exchanges in our society are also of a negatively polarized nature. If there is any element of: fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, or desire to be possessed in any interaction, it comprises a negative energy transfer.
But understand that negative energy exchanges are common at the 3rd density level of existence. That's why it takes 95% service to self polarization, versus 51% service to other polarization to graduate. These are both equally difficult to attain.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Infinite Unity - 09-29-2016
lmfao I thought he was talking about that role playing where you dress up and fight each other! excuse me!
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - JasonD - 09-29-2016
Ahh, thanks for the clarification guys. For the longest I've wondered about this quote.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Patrick - 09-29-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: ...
So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
Nope!
You see it's all about intent. The roleplaying sex games are just that, games. Even if the pleasure of playing the master is sincerely felt, as long as the one playing the submissive is doing it by real conscious choice, I think the outcome on polarity will be close to neutral.
There is love in every moment and personally I find it easy to see love in consensual BDSM / S&M.
Lots of people like to judge these things negatively, but such judgments will have a bigger negative impact on polarity than consensual BDSM / S&M could ever have.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - sjel - 09-29-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:39 PM)anagogy Wrote: your dominant energy polarity.
heh heh dominant
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - rva_jeremy - 09-29-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
Well, first of all, it's my opinion that nobody is expected to change their behavior because of some sixth density analysis. Our lived experience in third density is always first and foremost. If BDSM is something that appeals to you, that might be a matter of personal reflection (as all activity is, properly), but there is no right or wrong.
But I think there are really positive things that come out of BDSM. It's kind of thing in the radical political community, since those people are particularly attuned to issues of power broadly understood. And it is recognized that "kinks" are not things that are under our conscious control per se; we can either find healthy ways to express them and accept each other for it, or they express themselves in really destructive ways. So my feeling is that as long as you're communicating and reflecting on your practice, there's nothing wrong with playing with what Ra calls feelings of possession and being possessed. There is no "should"; there is only knowing the self better.
Obviously BDSM can be a vector to negativity. This should go without saying. But so can so many other things in society. And it's important to understand that "kinks" are not so much things that we designed consciously for ourselves as things that kind of happened to us, from our impressionable moments in incarnation. They deserve exploration, not because of their novelty, but because they are part of us. Not only is it important to accept this, but I think for a lot of people, BDSM can be a way of investigating these aspects of ourselves in a healthy and loving manner. If you read the literature of that community they place a huge premium on consent and communication.
No, I don't think it's as simple as saying that if you want to be whipped by somebody wearing an SS-style uniform, you're automatically service to self. The reality is that all of that is a part of every one of us. Some people just have different ways of investigating the variety of the creation, and the task is to find a way to do it that frees the energy and makes you and others accepted for who you are.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Jade - 09-30-2016
I'm going to come in and be a bit of a party pooper. Firstly, I agree with what everyone has said. I just want to add the caveat that as spiritually aware beings, being frivolous with our potential to use sexual magic seems irresponsible to me. There are a lot of things in third density that are enjoyable and fun because they involve separation. Our sexual "issues" as a society run extremely deep. I think pornography has desensitized us to these issues. We say that consent is the main factor, but we consent to a lot of things that supersede our free will or involve a negative energy transfer. We can color it with enjoyment all we want but none of the words that are represented by the letters in BDSM imply equivalency of energy exchange by two parties. In fact, most of them are mentioned in this quote about how we experience negative sexual energy transfers:
Quote:The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
Quote:In [fourth] ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in [fourth] ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed.
The other green-ray possibility is that of one entity offering green-ray energy, the other not offering energy of the universal love energy, this resulting in a blockage of energy for the one not green ray thus increasing frustration or appetite; the green-ray being polarizing slightly towards service to others.
As green ray activated entities, we have a responsibility to attempt to move all of our energy transfers and desires into the green-ray. I'm not saying that anyone's going to be close to 100% STO, but I'm saying that aiming for the low bar of 51% and calling it good is hardly a way to be an awake spiritual entity. As we look upon ourselves and become aware of potentially destructive actions, we should desire to elevate these actions and not justify continuing to revel in them. We create pathways in our brains by our repeated actions - if you continuously create a pleasure response from a negative energy transfer, that effect will snowball upon itself to the point where you desire the negative energy transfer more and more. Sexual gratification creates an intense feedback loop.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Aion - 09-30-2016
I, personally, think there is a dark underbelly to this practice that is not well understood. There is nothing biologically natural about mixing the sensations of pain and pleasure so it is clearly a mental derivative.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Matt1 - 09-30-2016
I have had a little thing for BDSM if i am to be honest, but i agree that its probably normally negative polarization. I am not sure what the root of this distortion is. Probably a desire of control/being controlled? stopping the flow of energy reaching the heart center?
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Plenum - 09-30-2016
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
depends on the intention, of course. But the whole superiority/inferiority thing is exacerbated in such rituals.
sort of like how in an army structure, everyone has a superior, and that superior has a superior until you get to the top of the chain. Unquestioned obedience is the expectation.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Plenum - 09-30-2016
(09-30-2016, 01:50 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I am not sure what the root of this distortion is.
probably playing out disempowerment issues.
especially if one has been infringed by negative astrals in one's childhood, it becomes something you want to heal over time.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Aion - 09-30-2016
Well it has been shown that a lot of individuals who are drawn to this practice have experienced abuse and some of them have described it as a way to take power back over those situations by choosing the roles of power. If it is mutually consensual then I have a hard time seeing it as truly negative, I don't think it is, but I do believe it is a distortion which involves the attempt to resolve pain in to pleasure.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Plenum - 09-30-2016
yeah, I think that's right. It's a form of healing exploration, in that case.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - anagogy - 09-30-2016
(09-30-2016, 10:52 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: As green ray activated entities, we have a responsibility to attempt to move all of our energy transfers and desires into the green-ray. I'm not saying that anyone's going to be close to 100% STO, but I'm saying that aiming for the low bar of 51% and calling it good is hardly a way to be an awake spiritual entity. As we look upon ourselves and become aware of potentially destructive actions, we should desire to elevate these actions and not justify continuing to revel in them. We create pathways in our brains by our repeated actions - if you continuously create a pleasure response from a negative energy transfer, that effect will snowball upon itself to the point where you desire the negative energy transfer more and more. Sexual gratification creates an intense feedback loop.
First off, I want to say, I agree with most of what you said, Jade, but one thing I see as a misconception (at least in my humble opinion) is that 51% STO constitutes a "low bar". I see a lot of people that express their understanding of the Ra material and talk about it in that way, but I think people have a tendency to underestimate how difficult that 51% is to achieve. I remember watching a presentation with David Wilcock awhile ago where he remarked about how easy it was to become positively harvest-able versus negatively harvestable, and how it was way easier to be positive. Never-mind the fact that 2 major cycles have occurred and almost none of the Earth's inhabitants were able to sustain that allegedly simple low bar 51% STO orientation.
Especially when you consider that it is equivalently hard to achieve 95% STS (almost never consider the welfare of other-selves). If you think about it in terms of what it really means, if one is 51% STO, it would imply one is thinking about helping others slightly more than they are thinking about the welfare of themselves. Frankly, if I objectively watch my own thoughts on a typical day, I'm frankly shocked, and somewhat appalled, at how much of my thoughts concern only my self rather than others. Of course, its possible I'm just not very polarized, but I tend to lean towards the opinion that this simple 51% orientation is a lot more "saintly" than we generally attribute it to be.
Anyway, I just wanted to share this thought and concept with this thread. I felt people could use the reminder.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Plenum - 09-30-2016
(09-30-2016, 02:16 PM)anagogy Wrote: Especially when you consider that it is equivalently hard to achieving 95% STS (almost never consider the welfare of other-selves). If you think about it in terms of what it really means, if one is 51% STO, it would imply one is thinking about helping others slightly more than they are thinking about the welfare of themselves. Frankly, if I objectively watch my own thoughts on a typical day, I'm frankly shocked, and somewhat appalled, at how much of my thoughts concern only my self rather than others. Of course, its possible I'm just not very polarized, but I tend to lean towards the opinion that this simple 51% orientation is a lot more "saintly" than we generally attribute it to be.
I wouldn't sweat it too much. I've always found it much easier to approach it from the standpoint of acceptance vs control. One can have an extreme amount of acceptance, and it's rarely displayed, and yet to have control, means exerting that over one's environment on a constant basis.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Jade - 09-30-2016
Quote:First off, I want to say, I agree with most of what you said, Jade, but one thing I see as a misconception (at least in my humble opinion) is that 51% STO constitutes a "low bar". I see a lot of people that express their understanding of the Ra material and talk about it in that way, but I think people have a tendency to underestimate how difficult that 51% is to achieve. I remember watching a presentation with David Wilcock awhile ago where he remarked about how easy it was to become positively harvest-able versus negatively harvestable, and how it was way easier to be positive. Never-mind the fact that 2 major cycles have occurred and almost none of the Earth's inhabitants were able to sustain that allegedly simple low bar 51% STO orientation.
Especially when you consider that it is equivalently hard to achieving 95% STS (almost never consider the welfare of other-selves). If you think about it in terms of what it really means, if one is 51% STO, it would imply one is thinking about helping others slightly more than they are thinking about the welfare of themselves. Frankly, if I objectively watch my own thoughts on a typical day, I'm frankly shocked, and somewhat appalled, at how much of my thoughts concern only my self rather than others. Of course, its possible I'm just not very polarized, but I tend to lean towards the opinion that this simple 51% orientation is a lot more "saintly" than we generally attribute it to be.
Anyway, I just wanted to share this thought and concept with this thread. I felt people could use the reminder.
That's great and I do agree, however I just see the "only 51%" metric used as a justification for spiritual bypassing here on these forums way too much. When I think of 51%, to me that resides far too close to the sinkhole to think of that as a comfortable position to rest in my goal of polarization.
Most of the context of this conversation here applies to the average person who isn't aware of the systems that we're aware of. It's obviously very difficult for the average, unpolarized earth native to achieve 51% required for the initial opening of the heart chakra. For those of us who aren't spiritual babies, Ra encourages an attempt at "purity" - because we have a thing called the Law of Responsibility. When we learn better ways to be, we need to apply those better ways to be, or we lose those opportunities to gain spiritual gravity. The OP was a new poster who desired information on the context of this situation for a polarizing individual. Most of the advice so far has been to ignore the Law of Responsibility.
As far as it being used as a means of healing, I can get behind that concept, but we also have to extend that to other types of "healing" negative energy transfers - when someone has their power taken away, sometimes they take it back by stealing. Sometimes they take it back by killing someone. These events, too, can be framed as an attempt to heal the self, to regain lost power, to make the self whole again. We just, again, here, those of us here, hope to have a better set of tools to apply to healing these scenarios. The main and most powerful healing tool that we have being the awareness of unity with the Creator.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Plenum - 09-30-2016
yeah, by 'healing exploration' I meant an attempt to grapple with the deeper issue; not that the actual experience and practice of what's been described in the OP is in itself of a healing nature; because, it frankly, is not.
It's just a way of clarifying the original wound (if that's what it was), and trying to have a framework for what that infringement was. So a positive entity might be drawn to these types of imaginings in an unbidden way, as the mind tries to get a handle on what the deeper, more buried issue is.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - ricdaw - 09-30-2016
BDSM or S&M
(09-30-2016, 10:52 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm going to come in and be a bit of a party pooper. Firstly, I agree with what everyone has said. I just want to add the caveat that as spiritually aware beings, being frivolous with our potential to use sexual magic seems irresponsible to me. There are a lot of things in third density that are enjoyable and fun because they involve separation. Our sexual "issues" as a society run extremely deep. I think pornography has desensitized us to these issues. We say that consent is the main factor, but we consent to a lot of things that supersede our free will or involve a negative energy transfer. We can color it with enjoyment all we want but none of the words that are represented by the letters in BDSM imply equivalency of energy exchange by two parties. In fact, most of them are mentioned in this quote about how we experience negative sexual energy transfers:
Quote:The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
Quote:In [fourth] ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in [fourth] ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed.
The other green-ray possibility is that of one entity offering green-ray energy, the other not offering energy of the universal love energy, this resulting in a blockage of energy for the one not green ray thus increasing frustration or appetite; the green-ray being polarizing slightly towards service to others.
As green ray activated entities, we have a responsibility to attempt to move all of our energy transfers and desires into the green-ray. I'm not saying that anyone's going to be close to 100% STO, but I'm saying that aiming for the low bar of 51% and calling it good is hardly a way to be an awake spiritual entity. As we look upon ourselves and become aware of potentially destructive actions, we should desire to elevate these actions and not justify continuing to revel in them. We create pathways in our brains by our repeated actions - if you continuously create a pleasure response from a negative energy transfer, that effect will snowball upon itself to the point where you desire the negative energy transfer more and more. Sexual gratification creates an intense feedback loop.
I'm sorry, Jade, but I'm going to take issue with this characterization.
First, there is a difference between having BDSM or S&M sex, and deliberately using BDSM or S&M sex as a means of control.
The Ra quote does not say that BDSM and S&M sex is negative sex, the quote is that people who are already deeply STS are most of the time doing BDSM or S&M sex: "The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage."
That STS people who have sex do BDSM and S&M sex is not equivalent to people who do BDSM or S&M are negative or STS. This is a logical fallacy.
Which means, fully activated green ray people can do BDSM/S&M for fun as often as they want to, and utterly without depolarizing, or having any responsibility to move the energy transfers to green ray. As a point in fact, a person could do BDSM or S&M for a lover entirely out of LOVE because that is the ask the other partner makes. "Ok honey, that sounds weird, but I love you. So I'm game to try."
There are no "shoulds" in sex.
Asking a partner to do some role play is just like any other request for service (no pun intended) and it neither needs to be suppressed, overcome. It is NOT destructive.
Indeed, while Ra is silent on this point, the fact that when two STS entities do BDSM results in "a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity" does not mean that when two STO entities do the very same thing that their sex is converted to negative.
The most we can take from Ra's words is that STS people, when they have sex, "the usual nature" of their sexual interaction is negative energy transfer.
The reverse is nowhere expressed by Ra, that master/servant sex is inherently negative or that it cannot result in positive energy transfer.
So, for a general audience, if you find that you have "insatiable hunger" for BDSM or S&M sex, and that you "usually" engage in BDSM sex, and that you are already on the negative path, then and only then could you reasonably conclude, in reliance upon Ra's words, that your sexual exchange is of a negative polarity and that continuing to engage in such practices "will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity."
Otherwise, you have nothing to fear from this kinky, but otherwise harmless, and possibly quite fun, sexual activity.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Nicholas - 09-30-2016
*goes and looks up what BDSM means*
I have found the random stranger "lets do it" thing arousing, but this is totally overboard! It just yells out to me the titilating extremities that some folks will go to in order to avoid there own soul.
Fill yer boots I say but the sinkhole of indifference seems to convey a huge demograph!
- - earth_spirit - 09-30-2016
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RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - rva_jeremy - 09-30-2016
There's a few things I'd like to mention:
1. I hope that when we're discussing sensitive matters like this, we can avoid any connotation of judgment. For our sakes at the very least. I don't get down with all that stuff, and probably would hold my nose except that I read some literature that gave case histories on the healing and liberating nature of people being able to express themselves like this. Reality is weird, y'all, and people are going to do this. And it's my understanding that polarity is an energetic phenomenon at its heart, so there's no foolproof way to conclusively arrive at the polarity of any action in the abstract (I get this might be controversial, and I'm happy to start another thread on this if anybody wants to talk it out). So it seems completely besides the point to, for instance, debate whether something like S&M is STS or not--it's not a coherent question in the first place. I'm not accusing anybody of anything; just throwing out a comment.
2. Does anybody really think there's a literal measurement in any way that is meaningful to us in the here and now to determine polarity? Confederation sources state over and over again that we can't know our exact true position on the scale. I've always just considered the 51% figure to be an approximation of something more deep and subtle than I can possibly imagine. I don't think of myself as a balance scale, in other words--except when the metaphor, and I stress metaphor, is useful. In fact, if harvest is determined by the ability to enjoy a certain intensity of light, who's to say it's not utterly subjective to the entity in the first place? I just think it's confusing to insist on too much rigor around these matters when we all know that metaphysically we're playing with crayons when we try to reason with words about them.
Just a thought; I'm not an authority and I'm happy to state that I'm just another bozo on the bus. For what it's worth, I think riccdaw made better points defending the polar neutrality of kink than I have. And I guess part of my point is that anytime we don't maintain a neutrality about this stuff, we risk getting judgmental, and that comes back to bite in my experience.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Nicholas - 09-30-2016
(09-30-2016, 03:51 PM)ricdaw Wrote: a person could do BDSM or S&M for a lover entirely out of LOVE because that is the ask the other partner makes. "Ok honey, that sounds weird, but I love you. So I'm game to try."
That's a good point. If I recall correctly, Carla was game for this type of sexual exploration with Don as a means for him in discovering a desire to have sex. It proved unsuccessful.
Quote:31.11 Questioner: Timothy Leary, doing research, wrote that at the time of puberty, and up through that time, there is an imprint occurring on the DNA coding of an entity and that, for instance, sexual biases are imprinted due to early sexual experiences or some of the first sexual experiences of the entity. Does anything like this actually happen?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.
This is similarly true with some of the encounters which might be seen as homosexual among those of this age group. These are often, instead, innocent exercises in curiosity.
However, it is quite accurate that the first experience in which the mind/body/spirit complex is intensely involved will indeed imprint upon the entity for that life experience a set of preferences.
Looking at this a little beyond my knee jerk reaction to eye watering porn clips, the part I have bolded above reminds me of all those m/b/s's that are exposed to unsuitable imagery or experiences. And what if a child witnesses their dad bullying their mum. What impact would that have on a developing girl or boy with regards to their attitude to sexual preferences?
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Nicholas - 09-30-2016
(09-30-2016, 04:28 PM)jeremy6d Wrote: I hope that when we're discussing sensitive matters like this, we can avoid any connotation of judgment.
My own connotation is clearly a reflection of my own ignorance on this matter.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Reaper - 10-01-2016
I practice BDSM (sometimes a fairly intense form thereof) quite frequently, and these are my observations:
1. If completely consensual, this type of activity tends to build up the closeness between parties. It takes a huge amount of trust to allow someone to tie you up and/or inflict pain upon your body. To be willingly vulnerable before someone is an incredibly intimate experience. It's saying "I'm putting my being in your hands." In a SAFE BDSM relationship, the submissive is the one truly in control, as they get to set boundaries ahead of time and call off the activity if it becomes too much for them to take. A good dominant will also check with the submissive throughout the interaction to gauge whether or not they might be getting close to their limits- because they care about the well being of the person in front of them. It is hard to find a level of attentiveness, care and respect higher than what you find in a dominant showing to their submissive during a scene, even if they seem, from an outside perspective, to be expressing the opposite. It should also be noted that the D/s relationship is generally regarded as a sort of role play- personality costumes that are put on and taken off within a specified time frame. It is a way of experimenting with different emotional factors in a safe, consensual way. I've known a few people who pursued literal slavery, going so far as to sign contracts and considering themselves the genuine property of another person- a practice I don't think is healthy and probably speaks of underlying psychological issues- but those sorts of cases are rare exceptions in the world of people who find enjoyment out of some form of BDSM.
2. I went through some messed up s*** as a kid- situations where I felt utterly powerless. These traumatic situations impacted my psychology for years to come and to a degree still influence my behavior. BDSM has been a very educational experience when it comes to exploring these emotions that for a long time I just hid in the closet. There is something cathartic about acting out feelings from my past, within a completely different mindset. To replace the things I felt in the past with their opposite- terror and helplessness with confidence and trust. Instead of hating myself as I did when I was a child, I feel sexy, uninhibited, free to express myself to my own very limits without the fear of judgment or reprisal. It's done more to heal old wounds than any therapist or pill has. I know other people who channel the energy of BDSM activities in similar ways as well. One magician I know uses it in ritual magic to "break himself down" so that he can be open to new growth and ultimately build himself back up stronger.
3. There is also just a primal feeling of release in giving up control for a while. Take this situation: A big shot army general, who has hundreds of people jumping at his command. He is powerful, respected, even feared...and he greatly enjoys groveling before a dominatrix- a common woman from a poor family- in private. For him, it is a chance to momentarily lay down the responsibility that weighs upon him every hour of the day. For just a short while he doesn't have to be an icon whose every word or action can decide the fate of nations. He can just be a man, following all the primal impulses that come with being such. And for the woman, it is a chance to feel powerful and respected in a world where she otherwise feels powerless and ignored. Both of them get something out of it without affecting their overall character. I am a person who tends to micromanage her life. I often find myself in leadership positions even though I don't seek them, simply because of my ability to organize information, manage resources and finish tasks in an efficient way. At times being seen in this way feels overwhelming- I fear that if I fail at something, I am not only letting myself down, but everyone depending on me as well. Being able to set all that down at the feet of my "master" at the end of the day is honestly quite refreshing, and when I pick up those reins again, I do so with renewed vigor.
So you see, there is much more to this type of interaction than just raw power play (excluding those who use it specifically for that reason). Those truly familiar with the art will realize that there is a fine exchange of a great many delicate emotions at work, and, like pretty much everything in the world, where that energy truly goes is decided by those utilizing it.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Diana - 10-01-2016
Great post, Reaper.
One of my best friends has been into the BDSM culture for a long time. I have learned a lot from her about the culture and also edited her book on the subject. My friend is an experienced "switch" so I have heard what it's like from the Domme and the sub point of view.
I found the part of your post, Reaper, about healing old wounds very interesting and eye-opening. Throughout the many conversations I have had with my friend, that possibility was never brought up. What she did get across was the deep trust engendered in a consensual BDSM relationship. She claims it necessarily goes deeper than "normal" relationships.
I would add that, while in a scene, she says it can be very like meditation. Pain is not a part of BDSM—in spite of the acronym—unless it's what is wanted. Though there is a level of anticipation bordering on danger (for lack of a better word—it's the not knowing a sub might experience when being "topped") that helps to keep you in the moment. She has described to me something called "subspace" where the sub, in a state of trust and ultimate control, can drift into a place of being not unlike deep meditation, though it is based at least in part on sensual experience. My friend is also into tantric sex and manifestation through sexual energy, and it follows that BDSM might be a good playground for it considering the focus it takes combined with a sustained level of sexual energy.
I also find it interesting that in BDSM the role-playing is acknowledged, rather than the hiding and self-protecting many do with partners in normal relationships. I think for some who resonate with this sort of experiential process, it is a step toward authenticity in a strange way.
From knowing my friend I have come to see how much judgment and narrow-minded perceptions there are about the culture. That horrible book trilogy that shall not be named did nothing to help the issue. In any case, as others have remarked in this thread, each individual walks their own path in their own way toward growth.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Glow - 10-01-2016
(09-30-2016, 03:15 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: yeah, by 'healing exploration' I meant an attempt to grapple with the deeper issue; not that the actual experience and practice of what's been described in the OP is in itself of a healing nature; because, it frankly, is not.
It's just a way of clarifying the original wound (if that's what it was), and trying to have a framework for what that infringement was. So a positive entity might be drawn to these types of imaginings in an unbidden way, as the mind tries to get a handle on what the deeper, more buried issue is.
I'm glad this was clarified. I started out with abuse as a toddler and my instincts were perhaps initially to replay the dynamic/energy transfer I started with. mine was still green ray as even as a child I felt compassion but did not recieve. Replaying that was not healing.
True healing was when I started to want to experience sharing vs just giving. Funny how that sounds less STO but it is certainly more positive.
I have a good friend still stuck thinking they can only enjoy being taken from/giving then discarded as that was their first experiences as a young child. The deep feelings of shame and disgust are so deep at this point that green ray sex makes them feel uncomfortable with the love and feel a need to bolt so they repeat the comfortable old dynamic of only take or give which reinforcing their issue around sex. Even when tables are turned they do the discarding because the shame/disgust is to deep.
Reprogramming through new habits slowly little by little is the only thing that is ever going to heal that old wound so they can except they are worthy, and have no reason to feel shame.
I think play bdsm occasionally with people could be ok or even just harmless fun but I don't imagine it's very common that reinforcing those patterns will help someone rewrite new ones. That takes conscious awareness and effort to allow love into the exchange.
Just my thoughts
From experience if your instincts are to give and not receive finding someone who you are happy to receive from and at the same time give to (green ray) not just lust.
Is pretty powerful. That is healing.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Jade - 10-02-2016
I want to clarify firstly that I am not attempting to pass judgement on anyone. I have also engaged in BDSM sex and understand greatly how intensely enjoyable it is and how it is not "evil" or anything like that. I understand that more often than not it is experienced by two people who intimately love each other. I just feel, personally, that Ra is very very clear on what they say about what composes a negative sexual energy transfer.
Quote:one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity.
To me, this describes exactly what composes BDSM sex. Notice Ra says "experiencing the PLEASURE of". There is no judgement. There is just the point made that this is indicative of yellow or orange ray blockages during intercourse.
I thought of this yesterday as I was rereading our chatroom meditation quote upon the will.
Quote:Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.
There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.
Sometimes I have thought while engaging in intercourse with my husband, "Oh it would feel good to be tied up right now" or whatever, but then I realize that I'm desiring to experience the pleasure of bondage, and I realize that it must be one of those things that falls away as I progress along the path. I mean, it's not like green-ray sex is anything to scoff upon - and the goal, anyway, is to work it up to exchanges even higher in the chakras, I thought. It's probably just my bias but I take this sexual energy transfer thing very seriously. Again, I'm not judging, I'm just encouraging others to take the step forward to consciously use their awesome powers for service to all through the sexual energy exchange. Being in a situation where one has a partner to participate in this with is a huge gift. Reaching for the highest possible manifestation of this gift is important to me.
Here is my understanding of the mechanism as Ra describes it: In a "negative" sexual energy transfer, the transferred energy goes primarily to one person, usually the "conqueror". The "sub" gives of this willingly - hence, as Reaper says, the sub has the power. In 4th density negative, this evolves to only the conqueror achieving orgasm - orgasm denial being a common experience in BDSM culture. In a positive, green ray energy transfer, both entities release the stored energy without effort, even if only one person achieves orgasm. Both are invigorated. The power of the green ray sexual energy transfer literally was the fuel for the creation of the Ra material, and I'm sure Jim would attest that it likely kept Carla going well beyond the time limits of the energy that her own physical body could sustain being in this incarnation. I just feel that letting distortions of this extremely powerful, magical act fall away as we become aware of them seems like a good goal to have.