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Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Steppingfeet - 11-05-2017
I’m trying to arrive at an understanding of the magical personality. I am having difficulty with the concept of “analog.” Hoping you might be able to help.
To kick it off, a basic definition of analog:
1) something that is analogous or similar to something else
2) an organ or part similar in function to an organ or part of another animal or plant but different in structure and origin. “The gill of a fish is the analog of the lung of a cat.”
When Ra uses “analog” I understand them to be saying something akin to the gill-lung example above: Object B is a correlate or equivalent of Object A but in a different field or medium.
In the following three quotes they use concepts of space/time, time/space, higher self, magical personality, and analog:
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75.36 When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made and the sixth-density magical personality experiences directly the third-density catalyst for the duration of the working. It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit.
86.7 the magical personality which is the higher self in space/time analog
73.10 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality,
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Do you read them as saying:
Higher Self = Space/Time Analog
Magical Personality = Time/Space Analog
?
The first two quotes above seem to indicate that the higher self is the space/time analog of the third-density mind/body/spirit complex.
(The syntax of 86.7 is confusing. I read it as saying, “the magical personality, which, in space/time analog, is the higher self…”)
The third quote seems to read that, when the higher self is invoked as the magical personality, it then becomes the time/space analog of the mind/body/spirit complex.
I know that the higher self and magical personality are essentially the same thing. When the higher self is properly and efficaciously invoked for the purpose of a working, it is called the magical personality.
Help appreciated.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-05-2017
I might be able to help with a video game analogy o:
I think of an Analog Stick. It's primary function is always to input commands to produce movement.
I can't say I know of the magical personality/higher self from practical experience, just speculation, but considering the Higher Self produces catalyst to incite movements for it's 'game characters' aka lower incarnations...
I think it's a simple definition saying that the Higher Self is what moves the space/time incarnation (with programming that inputs catalyst to produce movement) while the Magical Personality is the equivalent to that aspect of the Higher Self only in 3D
In the instance of that first quote I would note the ending as straightforward, the Higher Self/Magical Personality is the one holding the controller so to speak, except instead of moving us directly, it's working with our surroundings to pull and push us in certain directions.
I believe the terminology is important too.
Higher Self is the time/space equivalent to the space/time Magical Personality. When the bridge between the two is made, the 3D incarnation can take up partially the movements available to be made by the Higher Self, it would be akin to directly creating your own catalyst to experience, consciously instead of the usual unconscious way it occurs.
I think in this quote though it's revealed that the Magical Personality is another layer of self available for use. Note that Ra says there is also a "sixth-density magical personality" inferring that there's more than one Density of the magical personality, not just a 3D one.
It would appear then that a bridge is formed between that aspect of the lower/higher selves magical personalities to create a direct union to more efficiently perform Work In Consciousness.
And that the danger of not undoing this bridge would be to remove the Higher Self from where it belongs, which is like analogous to the person holding the controller no longer being present to produce events that push and pull the game character (incarnation) in specific ways instead having become the game character to directly produce results within the game rather than outside of the game.
I imagine the Higher Self works better outside of the game, as it can see the whole game, and not just one character's point of view.
So perhaps the magical personality is a sub-layer or sub-density of the indigo ray self? Perhaps the same way the astral body is a sub-layer or sub-density of the green ray self? I am also uncertain if sub-layer or sub-density is more accurate a term since the magical personality may not be as the ethereal indigo ray body but a more complicated array of energies similar to the idea of the Unmanifest Self which could separate it from chakra associations possibly.
I'd just simplify my understanding towards the Magical Personality as being like the green ray astral bridge, only for the Higher Self to merge with the lower self temporarily to more efficiently perform Work In Consciousness.
As to it's total being, or understanding it, perhaps it is as we are, but a different layer/frequency and vibration which works directly with reality rather than through it.
I don't know lol, just throwing ideas out there now.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - GentleReckoning - 11-06-2017
In this example, it would simply be making a plan, and then sticking to it. As the plan is the self creating the future self (time/space working) in space/time. Taking off the mantle would then be accepting the path that you have embarked on and not fucking changing your mind every other day.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - MangusKhan - 11-06-2017
If your current self is an imperfect and transient mind/body/spirit complex within linear space-time, then it follows that you will require an analogue to your current spirit, such as your perfect higher self residing beyond space-time, to fill in temporarily if one wishes to affect changes via will in that linear reality. Of course if this were permanent then you would be at risk of affecting change in a whimsical fashion and possibly alter the plans set in place by your higher self as it naturally resides as your analogue self. That's what I understand. I think Ra purposefully makes these passages overly concise and esoteric.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Cainite - 11-06-2017
Where else except in rituals does one invoke the magical personality? I used to do it while performing LBRP and at the end of the ritual I undid it.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Jade - 11-06-2017
It's my interpretation, and I hope this helps/makes any sense, that the magical personality is the space/time analogue of the Higher Self (upon invocation by the incarnate m/b/sc), and that the Higher Self is the time/space analogue of the mind/body/spirit complex.
So, to elaborate, that when the "bridge betwixt is made" it is between the Higher self in time/space and the mind/body/spirit complex in space/time. This creates the Magical Personality.
Ra says that you must remove the magical personality to let the Higher Self return to its place as analogue to the space/time incarnate mind/body/spirit complex.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - GentleWanderer - 11-06-2017
(11-06-2017, 05:12 AM)Cainite Wrote: Where else except in rituals does one invoke the magical personality? I used to do it while performing LBRP and at the end of the ritual I undid it.
In successful meditation, prayer, shamanic or healing work. I think also great artist and scientists invoke their m.p during their work.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Sacred Fool - 11-06-2017
Personally, I get lost in the jargon almost immediately when trying to disentangle stuff like this, so I will mostly try to step around it.
I do not see the "magical personality" and the "higher self" as being "essentially the same thing."
Taking a step back from all that jazz, when one, say, tries to come to terms with what he's gonna eat for lunch just now, he uses his eyes to see what's available, his emotions to determine which of that looks appealing, his intellect to decide what's actually practical. Then, maybe he eats.
When one sits down to work in spirit (I'll call it that...you can call it magical working or whatever you please), none of that other stuff is particularly helpful, except as it might limit distractions. That is, you cannot see with your eyes, feel with your hands, and intellect is of very limited utility.
When one works in spirit, one employs a different profile of sensory elements such as intuition and instinct and the ability to sense intimations coming from subtle beings. My guess is that the term "magical personality" refers to the aspect of the larger self which can act (sometimes wholly independent of the conscious self) on subtle planes. This is not the higher self. The higher self is a much higher level beastie, so to speak, but it might well feel like a higher self to one who cannot see one thing clearly from another. In some sense it is analogous to a higher self because it does have the capacity to function on higher levels than the lunch-eating self and, one might say, it is a bridge to the higher self because it allows self to explore higher level sensory experiences. That's my take on it. Rots o' ruck!
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - unity100 - 11-06-2017
(11-05-2017, 12:45 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: ***************************************************
75.36 When the magical personality is properly and efficaciously invoked the self has invoked its Higher Self. Thus a bridge betwixt space/time and time/space is made and the sixth-density magical personality experiences directly the third-density catalyst for the duration of the working. It is most central to deliberately take off the magical personality after the working in order that the Higher Self resume its appropriate configuration as analog to the space/time mind/body/spirit.
86.7 the magical personality which is the higher self in space/time analog
73.10 More importantly, the time/space mind/body/spirit analog, which is evoked as the magical personality,
***************************************************
Do you read them as saying:
Higher Self = Space/Time Analog
Magical Personality = Time/Space Analog
?
The first two quotes above seem to indicate that the higher self is the space/time analog of the third-density mind/body/spirit complex.
(The syntax of 86.7 is confusing. I read it as saying, “the magical personality, which, in space/time analog, is the higher self…”)
The third quote seems to read that, when the higher self is invoked as the magical personality, it then becomes the time/space analog of the mind/body/spirit complex.
I know that the higher self and magical personality are essentially the same thing. When the higher self is properly and efficaciously invoked for the purpose of a working, it is called the magical personality.
Help appreciated.
It seems to be like this:
6d higher self is an analog in 6d space/time, to the manifesting entity in 3rd.
When invoked as a magical personality, 6d higher self has a connection with the manifesting 3d entity, becomes a magical personality of that entity in time/space, and directly experiences the catalyst in 3d. At this point, the 3d entity and 6d entity are in a temporary unison as much as possible, and they manifest together to the extent possible. The 6d entity functions as if it was a personality of the 3d entity.
Ra says that after the work is done, 3d entity should take care to leave/let go of that magical personality, so that higher self can stop being a magical personality directly attached to the 3d entity and directly experiencing 3d catalyst through it. And then higher self can return to properly manifesting as 6d space/time analogue of the 3d entity.
Not so much a different concept than the person grounding himself/herself after a meditation or a magical study, or even not so different than the person grounding himself/herself before getting out of his/her own house on any given day.
After achieving a high amount of opening, rising frequency and a greater connection in between conscious and subconscious during a meditation or spiritual work, therefore leading to more connection in between 3d time/space and higher frequency spheres, and then calling for a temporary unification with the 6d version of oneself, the entity must reverse the process and let the 6d version go and ground himself/herself and re-adopt to the natural environment of 3d.
Not doing so is not disimilar to having a door to the street in your bedroom and then opening it in the middle of your most intimate, personal, silent and peaceful moments in the peace of the night while you are in bed. You need to get up, tidy your bed, dress up before going out to the street.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Ankh - 11-09-2017
(11-05-2017, 12:45 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Do you read them as saying:
Higher Self = Space/Time Analog
Magical Personality = Time/Space Analog
?
I read them the other way around: when invoked, magical personality is a space/time analog of the HS. When it's properly done they become one, but as Ra says in another quote, usually the magical personality is invoked gradually.
Some synonyms of analog are representation and parallel.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Steppingfeet - 11-09-2017
Multiple interpretations I see, each one with a case to make, some of them opposite.
Thank you all very much for attempting to tackle this one. Judging by the merits of your respective points I don't think anything can be said definitively, only a question indicated. Though when the bandwidth returns I would like to dive into the question more deeply.
Thank you again.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-09-2017
Quite a curious thread, should we try to come to a unified opinion here? I'd be interested to hear the thoughts of others on this subject~
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-10-2017
I hope you understand me through an interpreter)
The question that interests you is covered in the transcripts from
December 31, 1989.
June 14, 1992.
February 24, 2005.
January 8, 2011
Many of Ra's words are in tune with the work of the Order of the Golden Dawn. Recently, Jim on the blog mentioned Crowley. I think you can search and there
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Cobrien - 11-10-2017
The magical personality is the outer most shell of what the conscious may perceive.
Realities seem to bridge. The higher self creates the effect of the working. For the working the entity assumes more coloration of the higher self reality.
Ra calls the magical personality an analog because thru it the polarized potential of the higher self comes to the conscious entity
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Cobrien - 11-10-2017
(11-06-2017, 05:12 AM)Cainite Wrote: Where else except in rituals does one invoke the magical personality? I used to do it while performing LBRP and at the end of the ritual I undid it.
Pretty much any time one wants to contact energy sources. Transformations of self especially.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - rva_jeremy - 11-10-2017
This is a complicated question -- frankly, I've avoided it for a while as I mulled over whether I had anything to say at all. I'll offer what I think might be helpful in arriving at one's own, nuanced view.
When I read "analog" I interpret it as akin to a "projection". There's a relationship, but it spans over two different systems. For example, the whole Flatland metaphor talks about a world of 2-dimensional beings. To them, a sphere being just looks like a circle, except that it has this unfathomable ability to change it's diameter in 2d. Of course, this is merely a matter of moving on the z-axis through the plane of 2d existence, but to the 2d guys they can only interpret it as change on the x and y axes. The circle is the "projection" of the sphere into 2d. Perhaps you've seen representations of 4d constructs like the tesseract, which of necessity are projected into 3d representations but of course are more than just what can be represented.
I propose using that metaphor to help with starting to understand how the magical personality could be a projection of the higher self into time/space: the magical personality is configuration of consciousness we enter into, perhaps, in order to make time/space tools "tractable". In order for them to be useful in space/time, they have to be projected into space/time. In other words they have to be limited in some basic ways in order to yield value to the space/time entity.
Sometimes I think the precision of those of Ra can lend to just as much misapprehension as the vagueness that attends most metaphysical information. They seem to desire to give as complete a picture as they can, so they make distinctions between the same thing in different contexts while at the same time tending towards describing the actual thing in totality, separate from the more limited contexts.
So yeah, I have always understood them to say that the higher self is a time/space thing, the magical personality is a space/time thing, and that those two things are actually the same thing in different contexts. Does that help? The magical personality is how we "get a hold of" the higher self in order to relate to it, but in order to distinguish our limited agency in space/time with the higher self, they use a different term to denote the more limited nature of the magical personality relative to the higher self. I don't feel that I've given you much more than you posted in your original offering, but perhaps the idea of a projection is useful.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-10-2017
I forgot about the transcript of October 25, 2008. Here it is said about focussing on the divine. And the magical personality is connected with this focus. This is a special setting of consciousness. You can say the change of consciousness through rituals, visualization and astral projection.
It can be assumed that the magical personality is still connected with the Tree of Sephiroth, as an analogue for identifying oneself with the divine. Kabbalistic cross is installed inside its own structure and is imprinted into memory more and more. The tree as an analog of its own structure
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Sacred Fool - 11-10-2017
Here's another thought. Once upon a time, on the one hand you have this guy struggling along in 3d, dealing with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, for whom this life seems intensely vivid and important. On the other hand, you have this other self that lives outside of these lives, might be from another density all together, for whom these 3d lives are about as significant as stepping outside for a smoke. That is, they're an interesting interlude, but a very, very small piece of the overall picture.
Now, if you're the guy on the one hand, you might be forgiven for considering the guy on the other hand to be your higher self. His perspective is infinitely larger than yours and he can probably be helpful, if you can figure out how to connect with him.
But Ra avers that accessible to this guy on the other hand is a very fancy thought form containing, not just all the info from lives like his, but from a huge variorum of lives in his and other densities. This would be his higher self, or what Ra calls , the higher self.
I'm suggesting that the guy on the other hand is an analogue for us of what Ra calls the higher self. When we sit down to do work in spirit, we are likely connecting, not with what Ra calls the higher self, but with the guy on the other hand because he's a lot more accessible to us. But he's an analogue of that high flying thought form higher self.
Or not?
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Ankh - 11-10-2017
In my understanding, that which is called "magical personality" is that portion of the discarnated self in time/space which an adept is able to invoke while incarnated in space/time. If an adept is able to manifest its self all the way to sixth density while being incarnated in third density space/time then this entity becomes its own Higher Self for that given duration of time.
In short, all those portions of the discarnated self which can be invoked by an adept are called magical personality. When the adept reaches the point of its own discarnated self in time/space where the Higher Self resides and then is able to invoke that, then it is called that the adept has invoked its own HS.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-10-2017
That mostly resonates with me now that I read it. But could you further speak upon the idea of what and how it means when you say:
Quote:If an adept is able to manifest its self all the way to sixth density while being incarnated in third density space/time-
How did you mean this?
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Sacred Fool - 11-11-2017
(11-10-2017, 07:47 PM)Ankh Wrote: In my understanding, that which is called "magical personality" is that portion of the disincarnated self in time/space which an adept is able to invoke while incarnated in space/time. If an adept is able to manifest its self all the way to sixth density while being incarnated in third density space/time then this entity becomes its own Higher Self for that given duration of time.
In short, all those portions of the disincarnated self which can be invoked by an adept are called magical personality. When the adept reaches the point of its own disincarnated self in time/space where the Higher Self resides and then is able to invoke that, then it is called that the adept has invoked its own HS.
Yeah, that's more or less what I was suggesting.....and.....the magical normal personality is to the normal personality as what Ra calls the higher self--a very inclusive library of experience used to guide those of us moving up towards mid 6d experience of self--is to the magical personality.
Nice work--if you can get it......
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-11-2017
Ra in the 4th book advises you to study one of the systems well. Tarot, astrology, Kabbalah with the Tree of Life. There is in the Kabbalah the concept of the world Adam Kadmon. In Kabbalah, the name of the first (highest) of the five spiritual worlds created after the First Abbreviation (in Hebrew "Tzimtzum Alef") as a system for the correction of Creation. The analog is used to return and harmonize with the Primordial Thought.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Quan - 11-11-2017
(11-10-2017, 07:57 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: I hope you understand me through an interpreter)
The question that interests you is covered in the transcripts from
December 31, 1989.
June 14, 1992.
February 24, 2005.
January 8, 2011
Many of Ra's words are in tune with the work of the Order of the Golden Dawn. Recently, Jim on the blog mentioned Crowley. I think you can search and there
Vasilisa I notice this is your first post, Welcome to the forum
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-11-2017
Thank you, Quan. I have read the forum for a long time. But up to the present moment I did not write here. I still have not learned the language to communicate freely) Thanks to Google, it saves in this situation)
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Quan - 11-12-2017
(11-11-2017, 08:42 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: Thank you, Quan. I have read the forum for a long time. But up to the present moment I did not write here. I still have not learned the language to communicate freely) Thanks to Google, it saves in this situation)
Haha yeah took me a year or 2 being on forum before i joined up and posted. Also the language you have posted makes perfect sense so you and google are doing fine!
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-12-2017
I'm glad that Google is so broadening the boundaries of communication, and you can understand me)) I tried to look for other philosophical teachings, but I always return to the Law of One and Ra. Apparently this is a love for life)
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Infinite Unity - 11-13-2017
(11-12-2017, 07:45 AM)Quan Wrote:(11-11-2017, 08:42 AM)Vasilisa Wrote: Thank you, Quan. I have read the forum for a long time. But up to the present moment I did not write here. I still have not learned the language to communicate freely) Thanks to Google, it saves in this situation)
Haha yeah took me a year or 2 being on forum before i joined up and posted. Also the language you have posted makes perfect sense so you and google are doing fine!
This is a very common thing it would seem, Ive gathered through many hours of reading, that people often browse the forum. As a guest long before joining.
Also Vasilisa your writing is good, and you are doing a great job of translating over.
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-13-2017
I must be the exception, I found this place after already knowing the Law of One for over a year, I was to say the least, ecstatic, and joined right up.
But no one was how I thought they'd be, and the guidelines were not rules like I originally thought.
Still, I love this place and hope it grows more. I missed all the fun when this place had way more people on it.
And Vas, your communication is better than mine so no worries~ lol
...I ... Wonder, if my Higher Self had set me up to find this place when I did?
Anyways, sorry for being off topic.
@SteppingFeet
What if the Magical Personality has a space/time relationship to the physical incarnation, that acts as a bridge to the time/space Magical Personality which to space/time incarnations is the Higher Self
And since the Higher Self isn't present until 6D, the magical personality can be described as... Manifesting the consciousness of the Higher Self, so that it may directly work with its incarnation?
So the term analog is essentially a connector to an aspect of our physical self that has the power to call forth through this, what, shuttle? That relays the call and meeting the 6D being that is moving our incarnations with programmed events, gets it to focus and manifest in our specific incarnation, so that it can better understand the nuances of what our physical incarnation is trying to manifest?
Then it must be released so that other incarnations are not effected by its absence, including our own?
What exactly are you trying to understand in regard to the use of the term analog? Perhaps we can pull up a search on the magical personality and try to piece together from all the given information what might be meant?
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-14-2017
(11-13-2017, 02:26 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: This is a very common thing it would seem, Ive gathered through many hours of reading, that people often browse the forum. As a guest long before joining.Not everyone likes to communicate on forums) Someone prefers to read only. I am glad that this forum has become an international platform that unites people who are not indifferent to the philosophy of the Law of One.
(11-13-2017, 02:26 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Also Vasilisa your writing is good, and you are doing a great job of translating over.
) I try to formulate simple sentences so that they can be translated correctly. I learn English, but I still do not speak English well
RE: Higher Self/Magical Personality as Analog - Vasilisa - 11-14-2017
(11-05-2017, 12:45 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote: I’m trying to arrive at an understanding of the magical personality. I am having difficulty with the concept of “analog.” Hoping you might be able to help.Steppingpeth, I read your blog dedicated to Carla's memory. Very strong words and I'm grateful for you. Reflecting on your words, I thought that maybe the soul and can be a magical person, an analog. It seems to me that you have already answered the question with these words. "...Though there were small moments of interpersonal catalyst, and Carla's own human follies became apparent, my respect and admiration only increased as I witnessed the mysterious marriage of the error-prone human made of flesh and the conditioned past, with the light of the eternal soul within...". Remember Jung wrote about his dual feelings that he and the stupid youth and wise old man at the same time. I do not remember which book it was. Apparently in "Memories, Dreams, Reflections."