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The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - sjel - 11-09-2017
The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Turtle - 11-09-2017
(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
Yes. It is indeed an illusion. lol
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Cainite - 11-10-2017
Do 5thD negatives have other entities as masters? probably not, because 6thD entities have no interest in slaves or any other entity. (Did I get it right? was it 4D and 5D?)
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Mahakali - 11-10-2017
(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
That's not how that works. The Creator isn't human and doesn't think like one. Positive and negative polarities are more like the polarities on a magnet; they're descriptions of occult physics, not morality, which is a human(oid) concept.
STS is not an eternal bureaucracy or some big giant comic megacorporation (even if some STS may use those types of structures). It's more like a food chain. Does the polar bear cower in fear that the Creator may come and "dissolve the illusion" of its power? Or is the polar bear just a part of nature in a world where nothing gets sustenance without killing something else?
"It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not."
(11-09-2017, 11:14 PM)Turtle Wrote: Yes. It is indeed an illusion. lol
Along with most everything else, including the chains used by the "positives" to bind them.
(11-10-2017, 03:31 AM)Cainite Wrote: Do 5thD negatives have other entities as masters? probably not, because 6thD entities have no interest in slaves or any other entity. (Did I get it right? was it 4D and 5D?)
There are no 6D negatives. If 5D is refining of knowledge of an individual level, and 6D is learning from other-selves and refining knowledge in a more advanced way through linking consciousness while moving towards 7th, then 6D doesn't work as well for negs. 4D negative social memory complexes work to some degree, but I can't imagine why a negative entity would WANT to go to 6D. 6D and 7D are about moving towards the One; if negs do have any advancement after 5D, it'd be more of a black hole than an etheric internet, and probably invisible to positives and other negatives.
Where there should be something for 6D negatives, there's just a cacophonous collection of vibrations.
Unless you count the types of "negatives" that use 4D negative social memory complexes on Earth to control negs and enforce the laws of the guardians, but those are undercover cops, not true negative polarity.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - MangusKhan - 11-10-2017
(11-10-2017, 03:31 AM)Cainite Wrote: Do 5thD negatives have other entities as masters? probably not, because 6thD entities have no interest in slaves or any other entity. (Did I get it right? was it 4D and 5D?)
Quote:In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.
It seems that at 5D they stop being part of a pyramid, so to speak, with the exception of those few who stick around to govern the 4D hordes. 5D negative actually sounds kind of nice, apart from the whole disintegrating thing at the end/beginning of 6D. Imagine all the interesting things you would see and learn as you explored the furthest and darkest reaches of creation.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Cainite - 11-10-2017
(11-10-2017, 08:34 AM)Mahakali Wrote: There are no 6D negatives. If 5D is refining of knowledge of an individual level, and 6D is learning from other-selves and refining knowledge in a more advanced way through linking consciousness while moving towards 7th, then 6D doesn't work as well for negs. 4D negative social memory complexes work to some degree, but I can't imagine why a negative entity would WANT to go to 6D. 6D and 7D are about moving towards the One; if negs do have any advancement after 5D, it'd be more of a black hole than an etheric internet, and probably invisible to positives and other negatives.
Where there should be something for 6D negatives, there's just a cacophonous collection of vibrations.
Unless you count the types of "negatives" that use 4D negative social memory complexes on Earth to control negs and enforce the laws of the guardians, but those are undercover cops, not true negative polarity.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.
The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.
Ra said at some point. I assumed they meant; at some point in 6thD.. more likely the start of it.
But yeah it would make more sense if their polarity was abandoned at the end of 5thD... with 6D being the density of unity and all.
and this quote below means that STO adept is also seen as evil by others. even though the STS path is only the evil one.
"It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not."
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Turtle - 11-10-2017
(11-10-2017, 08:34 AM)Mahakali Wrote:(11-09-2017, 11:14 PM)Turtle Wrote: Yes. It is indeed an illusion. lol
Along with most everything else, including the chains used by the "positives" to bind them.
Why would a positive polarity being give a sheeyt about binding anyone to them? Gross. lol
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Nau7ik - 11-10-2017
(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
In the Law of One, Ra talks about this. Eventually for the service to self adept, there is no one above him (STS seekers/adepts). Most likely around late 5D and early 6D. He’s at the end of the STS path. He can go no further. The other STS entities who’ve achieved this level of transformation have switched polarity to positive. It’s the only way.
I remember reading somewhere in the Q’uo channelings that these entities tend to become some of the most loving and positive entities in the universe because of their full travel upon the service to self path. Think about it! That one has moved from the standpoint of separation and power over others. Then he realizes the Law of One in 6D.
However I do not believe the Creator is above him threatening dissolution of his illusion. (He does lose polarity though Ra says). The STS adept is also the Creator. The Creator is knowing itself through the offering of the STS path. Before the veil, STS was not realized. So, the STS path is a totally legitimate path.
The thing is though that at a certain point he can go no further with the belief that the self is separate from others. This switch of polarity is probably an very difficult thing for th STS entity to do. But ultimately we all wish to grow and evolve. If he wants to continue doing so, this is the way. The negative adept is very wise.
He will (eventually) see the wisdom of making the switch to continue with his learning.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - rva_jeremy - 11-10-2017
(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
I think it has a lot to do with an entity's concept of itself and otherself. That concept determines whether what one sees is recognizable as signal or dismissed as noise. That's how it works for us, after all, with psychic greetings of all varieties: attribution requires one to have a concept of the thing to which one is attributing the greeting. Otherwise it's just "random", which even those of Ra explain is a level of order beyond what we can recognize. In my opinion, it's simply not as simple as a clean, well organized and highly delineated hierarchy, because what one would even recognize as a hierarchical pattern has more to do with one's perception than the objective situation.
Perhaps this throws the efficiency of the positive path into better relief: to the extent one can gloss over separation and simply identify with all, one sidesteps these questions of one's position in some discrete hierarchy, aligning instead with an increasingly more real, all-encompassing pattern or hierarchy. Recall that those of Ra themselves describe manifest creation as hierarchically organized; the difference, I'd speculate, is the fluidity of the identities at different nodes in the hierarchy. To me, STS is not simply hierarchy but the freezing of the hierarchical structure so that particular entities occupy particular positions, whereas STO has a structure of hierarchy that can rotate and shift, so that who's at the top and who's at the bottom is not set in stone or the subject of a contest but instead blows in the Creator's wind. It is the personal attachment to positions of hierarchical power, not the hierarchy or power itself, that is the key difference--again, it comes down, in my opinion, to how one thinks about oneself and otherself.
To more directly address your last question, I think all embrace of separation, at any level, embeds a fear of dissolution. The whole character of the energy configuration is one of maintaining integrity distinct from what is not self. "The dissolution into nothingness is the dissolution into infinity, for there is no nothingness", say those of Ra. But if you're identity is wrapped in not being dissolved -- and I think we all fit in this category -- there most certainly does seem to be a lot of nothingness out there to hold the line against.
I think Nau7ik and Mahakali both have especially good insights on this as well.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-10-2017
Too much order can be negative. Some disorder is positive.
At the top of the food chain, one is lonely, so lonely. The singleness of power, the sickness of strength. The poison of absolute wisdom all alone.
You sit atop the pyramid rotting away with decay of dark immortality, you know why it is as such. You are the Satan and Demiurge and Great Destroyer. You are One in and of yourself like a God amongst mortals that do your bidding. Eventually it gets old. It's the same old thing. The negative path is wrought with resistance, you know it well because you overcame that terrain, yet now you lead children who attempt the same, who are arrogant and dumb, some stubborn, others just plain weak. You deal with them to gain what they have to give but eventually there's nothing left to take that's worthwhile. There's nothing new.
Where is one to go from there but to a place with something new to garnish? The final service to self is to be of service to others.
The paradox fulfilled, the transformation bringing more, with new modes, the Past a foundation for the Present, a base of darkness for an architecture of light. Unity would seem the only logical forward movement once you've fully traversed darkness.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Infinite Unity - 08-15-2018
(11-10-2017, 09:57 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
In the Law of One, Ra talks about this. Eventually for the service to self adept, there is no one above him (STS seekers/adepts). Most likely around late 5D and early 6D. He’s at the end of the STS path. He can go no further. The other STS entities who’ve achieved this level of transformation have switched polarity to positive. It’s the only way.
I remember reading somewhere in the Q’uo channelings that these entities tend to become some of the most loving and positive entities in the universe because of their full travel upon the service to self path. Think about it! That one has moved from the standpoint of separation and power over others. Then he realizes the Law of One in 6D.
However I do not believe the Creator is above him threatening dissolution of his illusion. (He does lose polarity though Ra says). The STS adept is also the Creator. The Creator is knowing itself through the offering of the STS path. Before the veil, STS was not realized. So, the STS path is a totally legitimate path.
The thing is though that at a certain point he can go no further with the belief that the self is separate from others. This switch of polarity is probably an very difficult thing for th STS entity to do. But ultimately we all wish to grow and evolve. If he wants to continue doing so, this is the way. The negative adept is very wise.
He will (eventually) see the wisdom of making the switch to continue with his learning.
Yeah negative does go to the beginning or 6.25 area. It is like facing complete entropy while trying to overcome the full energy of the universe. Most entities travel a good portion of the path, just to attempt this. There will be One that does. That's all my opinion, Ra does speak about the 6th density negative. Yet, thee 'ruling' class is of fifth.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Cyan - 08-15-2018
safety
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - GentleReckoning - 08-16-2018
(11-10-2017, 09:22 AM)MangusKhan Wrote:(11-10-2017, 03:31 AM)Cainite Wrote: Do 5thD negatives have other entities as masters? probably not, because 6thD entities have no interest in slaves or any other entity. (Did I get it right? was it 4D and 5D?)
Quote:In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.
It seems that at 5D they stop being part of a pyramid, so to speak, with the exception of those few who stick around to govern the 4D hordes. 5D negative actually sounds kind of nice, apart from the whole disintegrating thing at the end/beginning of 6D. Imagine all the interesting things you would see and learn as you explored the furthest and darkest reaches of creation.
This is due to the fact that graduation from 4th- to 5th- requires the ability to perceive loss in mood or vibration. This effectively making the entity useless in any power structure. The entity is then instead attacked on the causal plane by all other negative entities, this process managed by Saturn apparently. The power of boundaries, the flexibility of belief, and the speed of recovery being paramount for swift progression. Essentially turns the individual from a P into a J if you're familiar with Jungian types. Level of merit or karma determining the amount of power wielded. Can be most often determined by states of depression, bipolar, add, schizophrenia, or any kind of mental illness. So it is simply the progression out of insanity that marks the negative path.
Throughout the entire process, I've found that 4d+ and 5d+ are accessible, but that relationships with other selves are not especially beneficial as it is simply power over/of creation that lifts one to 6d+. The finding that one is free to create, and to create the self as desired.
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - GentleReckoning - 08-16-2018
Ra's description of the densities in relation to the individual's spirit complex I believe...
RE: The top of the service-to-self food chain - what is that one's experience? - Infinite Unity - 12-15-2018
(11-10-2017, 08:34 AM)Mahakali Wrote:(11-09-2017, 11:09 PM)sjel Wrote: The pinnacle of the pain pyramid - to whom does he answer to? Every link in the chain fears the link above it, and dominates the link below it. What if there are no more links above? Perhaps the one above is the Truth Itself, the Creator, threatening at every moment to dissolve their illusion of power forever.
That's not how that works. The Creator isn't human and doesn't think like one. Positive and negative polarities are more like the polarities on a magnet; they're descriptions of occult physics, not morality, which is a human(oid) concept.
STS is not an eternal bureaucracy or some big giant comic megacorporation (even if some STS may use those types of structures). It's more like a food chain. Does the polar bear cower in fear that the Creator may come and "dissolve the illusion" of its power? Or is the polar bear just a part of nature in a world where nothing gets sustenance without killing something else?
"It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not."
(11-09-2017, 11:14 PM)Turtle Wrote: Yes. It is indeed an illusion. lol
Along with most everything else, including the chains used by the "positives" to bind them.
(11-10-2017, 03:31 AM)Cainite Wrote: Do 5thD negatives have other entities as masters? probably not, because 6thD entities have no interest in slaves or any other entity. (Did I get it right? was it 4D and 5D?)
There are no 6D negatives. If 5D is refining of knowledge of an individual level, and 6D is learning from other-selves and refining knowledge in a more advanced way through linking consciousness while moving towards 7th, then 6D doesn't work as well for negs. 4D negative social memory complexes work to some degree, but I can't imagine why a negative entity would WANT to go to 6D. 6D and 7D are about moving towards the One; if negs do have any advancement after 5D, it'd be more of a black hole than an etheric internet, and probably invisible to positives and other negatives.
Where there should be something for 6D negatives, there's just a cacophonous collection of vibrations.
Unless you count the types of "negatives" that use 4D negative social memory complexes on Earth to control negs and enforce the laws of the guardians, but those are undercover cops, not true negative polarity.
There are 6th density negatives, each density has progression of a sense. However the 6th density negative can basically do nothing but completely concentrate on defecting or counter acting, the entropy effecting it. The 6th density negative will not be able to make it to mid 6th. The momentous event of realizing, becoming, or integrating fully the higher self. The 5th density negative does practically rule the negative hierachy due to the 6th not caring, not interested, and not needing anymore from the structure and entities participating within the negative structure, that and as I said above its completely focused on counter acting entropy.
At 6th density you naturally bond, and integrate energies with other entities. The 6th negative is focused on itself, it's boundaries of being, and trying to keep "who they are" stable and viable. This resistance to unity is what causes the onset of entropy.
Also just teaching 6th density negative is a tremendous feat, and is incredibly hard. Most 5th negatives do not obtain 6th density negative, before giving up the path.