(12-20-2019, 04:01 PM)rinzler Wrote: How many worlds have been enslaved by the Orion Empire and do STS-beings use these worlds purely for feeding themselves with the negative energy?
What about the beings on those planets? What happens with them? Do they just get enslaved for millions and millions of years? They wouldn't progress in any spiritual way I presume since they would just be like cattle. How could this be allowed to happen and how can they justify this? This serves no higher purpose than to perpetuate the ruling elite of the Orion Empire, spiritual progress is close to zero IMHO
Not to mention the fact that the beings endure tremendous suffering, just imagine 4D, a thousand times worse than 3D, a literal hell. Can beings from slave worlds go trough the ranks? Would this even be possible with the amount of control the elite have over individuals with their surveillance systems etc..?
How can this system be held up? This is like a snowball-system. A perpetuating lie. I simply can't imagine this working on a galactic scale.
How come people chose to join this Empire?
I get that there have to be two sides of the coin, that sometimes suffering can create a contrast and offer up an alternative way to the creator but enslaving entire worlds is just senseless suffering to me just like the Empire fighting for this planet that is already 4D STO. It's like a child refusing to accept the bitter reality of things and just crying and constantly fighting hoping things would somehow change. Now because they can't change things they just want to make things as miserable as possible for everyone.
How can any spiritual being STS or STO subscribe to that ? That hasn't got anything to do with spiritual progress it's just mad pointless destruction and ignorance. This is not right. I get that there have to be two paths but why the insane destruction? It just makes things worse for everyone including oneself.

Quote:30.4 Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this chemical body that we now have?

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the fact that much of the activity of a mental nature of which you are aware during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface illusion as is the chemical body complex.
In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distillation of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.
In terms of the spiritual, this channel is then much opened due to the lack of necessity for the forgetting characteristic of third density.

(12-21-2019, 02:38 PM)Ray711 Wrote: I agree with Rita. This is a trap of the mind, which in any case is not our true identity, as we know from many masters, Ra included, and such thoughts are unlikely to be of service to you.

Quote:30.4 Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this chemical body that we now have?

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the fact that much of the activity of a mental nature of which you are aware during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface illusion as is the chemical body complex.
In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distillation of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.
In terms of the spiritual, this channel is then much opened due to the lack of necessity for the forgetting characteristic of third density.

If I were to address the situation itself directly, I can only say that the universe is one of many, and that it itself is part of a process of evolution. Creations are created and destroyed over and over again, one allowing the next to function under a better set of parameters or rules. The STS choice was introduced only in this universe, if I'm remembering things correctly. I know it's not great comfort, but perhaps some issues related to it might be ironed out in the next Creation.

(12-21-2019, 01:32 PM)RitaJC Wrote: What if nothing of that is true?

Or even if it is true, if you can't do anything to change it, why torture yourself with such images and stories?

(12-21-2019, 02:38 PM)Ray711 Wrote: I agree with Rita. This is a trap of the mind, which in any case is not our true identity, as we know from many masters, Ra included, and such thoughts are unlikely to be of service to you.

(12-22-2019, 12:23 PM)Diana Wrote:

(12-21-2019, 01:32 PM)RitaJC Wrote: What if nothing of that is true?

Or even if it is true, if you can't do anything to change it, why torture yourself with such images and stories?

I don't think rinzler is torturing him/her self with this. Being a thinking person is part of being more aware. Why not question things?

(12-21-2019, 02:38 PM)Ray711 Wrote: I agree with Rita. This is a trap of the mind, which in any case is not our true identity, as we know from many masters, Ra included, and such thoughts are unlikely to be of service to you.

Perhaps. But why not forge our own paths? Why not seek our own answers? Because Ra says a thing, is not a reason for me to do it. I do the thing because I have reached a point where I have come to understand that thing; I don't do the thing because I believe in someone else's understanding, so I follow their lead. Howevrer, I know a lot of people feel differently about living masters and the like—which is fine.

And we can't know what serves another being.

(12-22-2019, 12:23 PM)Diana Wrote: Perhaps. But why not forge our own paths? Why not seek our own answers? Because Ra says a thing, is not a reason for me to do it. I do the thing because I have reached a point where I have come to understand that thing; I don't do the thing because I believe in someone else's understanding, so I follow their lead. Howevrer, I know a lot of people feel differently about living masters and the like—which is fine.

(12-22-2019, 04:43 PM)Ray711 Wrote:

(12-22-2019, 12:23 PM)Diana Wrote: Perhaps. But why not forge our own paths? Why not seek our own answers? Because Ra says a thing, is not a reason for me to do it. I do the thing because I have reached a point where I have come to understand that thing; I don't do the thing because I believe in someone else's understanding, so I follow their lead. Howevrer, I know a lot of people feel differently about living masters and the like—which is fine.

I agree, I think it's important to check things for oneself. I think everyone can take the first steps towards seeing that there might be something behind this idea of misidentifying with the mind. If one sits down and meditates, and manages to watch their thoughts from afar, without making them the core of their identity, even on a bad day one can feel... okay. Which is so counter-intuitive, and raises questions with such huge implications, such as: "Who is this I who is perfectly alright when the mind is not here?".

(12-22-2019, 12:23 PM)Diana Wrote: . . .
And we can't know what serves another being.

(12-24-2019, 11:47 AM)BridgesToLight Wrote: What are enslaved worlds like?  Maybe, look around?

For some reason, I'm sure someday/when I'll know, birth and true evolution/growth is never without pain in this dimension.

Without the explosive, oh-my-god-its-going-to-kill-me pain of childbirth, there would be no us!

Every single thing in my life that has been worth anything that lasts has brought with it pain, then release, then joy/new existence.

From my perspective, I find it so hard to see how suffering, pain, could be part of the divine.  This pain and associated fear held me in its grips for most of this life.  I wavered from a despondent worrier to a valiant warrior, and neither changed the overall level of suffering for others, nor myself.

I've been shown that twice before I've left this planet via means of torture and murder, once was a fast and furiuos explosion of rage from a mob, the other was a long and slow torture based on the perceived wrongdoing to the King.  

But, I do not have clean hands, I've also been shown how I have murdered, felt justified, then found my errors later.  

This life was chosen because now is the time the galactic energies are the most supportive for my clearing all this stuff.  And although this life has been incredibly painful (but not in contrast to past lives), traumatic and I've wanted out a few times, I can now see my personal "whys" and see how it is that people choose suffering and pain.  It is the fertilizer that accelerates our overall ascension.  

I am well fertilized, won't know how well until we pass the energetic/galactic wall of no return that will change everything on this planet, but will change nothing in our existence unless we choose to use this now to accelerate.

So much love to you all.

(12-24-2019, 03:41 PM)kristina Wrote: Thank goodness that this is a mixed polarity illusion, right? Otherwise, could you imagine the horror we would be in? If it weren't for the Wanderers and the positive entities on this planet at this present time, it would be a planet of nothing but slaves and the agony would be much more intense than we could ever imagine.

(12-24-2019, 03:46 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:41 PM)kristina Wrote: Thank goodness that this is a mixed polarity illusion, right? Otherwise, could you imagine the horror we would be in? If it weren't for the Wanderers and the positive entities on this planet at this present time, it would be a planet of nothing but slaves and the agony would be much more intense than we could ever imagine.

What if this was the worst it gets in 3D?

(12-24-2019, 03:53 PM)kristina Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:46 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:41 PM)kristina Wrote: Thank goodness that this is a mixed polarity illusion, right? Otherwise, could you imagine the horror we would be in? If it weren't for the Wanderers and the positive entities on this planet at this present time, it would be a planet of nothing but slaves and the agony would be much more intense than we could ever imagine.

What if this was the worst it gets in 3D?

Yes. Indeed....what if this is as good as it gets? Lol. It is what it is. I guess that is why you are doing your work in consciousness and I am doing mine, to improve upon our worlds. That's all we can do GCSun. You work very hard at making your world a better place and I think that's great because it also makes my world a better place too!!! Thank you!

(12-24-2019, 04:07 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:53 PM)kristina Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:46 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote:

(12-24-2019, 03:41 PM)kristina Wrote: Thank goodness that this is a mixed polarity illusion, right? Otherwise, could you imagine the horror we would be in? If it weren't for the Wanderers and the positive entities on this planet at this present time, it would be a planet of nothing but slaves and the agony would be much more intense than we could ever imagine.

What if this was the worst it gets in 3D?

Yes. Indeed....what if this is as good as it gets? Lol. It is what it is. I guess that is why you are doing your work in consciousness and I am doing mine, to improve upon our worlds. That's all we can do GCSun. You work very hard at making your world a better place and I think that's great because it also makes my world a better place too!!! Thank you!

Yeah, I do pretty good in my world.
I try to help with the Australian bushfires energetically, but it burns my chakras and I can't really do much.

The biggest catalysts lately are needing a new washer/dryer and celphone, and not being able to see my therapist for a few more
months, and it's been 6 months already. I have to see him for my disability income. They also cancelled my health insurance,
and I don't know if disability will pay beyond July 2020. If I do get better I'll go back to work, though I'll have to make enough
to support myself.

The trash bill (3 months at a time), new washer/dryer, new celphone bill, and homeowners association fees are hitting me all in the same month.
And they are all over $100 each.

(12-24-2019, 05:32 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Could be grounding, but I don't just let bills pile up.
They just are hitting me all at once.

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