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Parenting Styles on Earth - turtledude23 - 01-13-2011
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/confessions-of-a-tiger-mom-why-chinese-parenting-is-best/article1864813/
This article made me kind of angry. So many parents don't respect their children's free will, Asian parents in particular seem even more oppressive, Asia in general seems very oppressive and conformist. Are Asians the primary descendants of Mars or Maldek? That region of the world seems alot more STS than any other part. Even modern "developed" countries in Asia are very oppressive (South Korea, Japan, not to mention China). In regards to this topic Ra said something along the lines (can't find the quote) of: don't look at skin pigmentation, look at the philosophy regarding self and other-self in the society. Just a few months ago I learned that Asian countries tend to be "collectivistic" societies which means rather than the needs of the individual they focus on the needs of a group like a family, which sounds more STO on the surface but is actually more STS because every group has a leader, in the case of an Asian family usually the father, and the authority of that leader is unquestioned - free will is ignored. It reminds me of this:
Quote:87.7 ...
The relationship of such an entity [5d negative] to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.
87.8 Questioner: A reflection of this could be seen in our density in many of those leaders who instigate war and have followers who support, in total conviction that the direction of conquest is correct. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Any organization which demands obedience without question upon the basis of relative power is functioning according to the above described plan.
It's just disgusting, so many parents in North America want their children to be "successful", in other words: make alot of money. Do people not understand money doesn't equal happiness? In fact people with more money than they need tend to be more unhappy. If someone of their own free will wanted to be a lawyer that works 12 hours a day at super stressful job so they can make $300,000 a year and buy shiny cars then that's their choice. But when parents force their children to pursue that career and try to mold their behaviour to reach that end from a young age then it angers me.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - unity100 - 01-14-2011
(01-13-2011, 11:12 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Are Asians the primary descendants of Mars or Maldek?
deneb.
Quote:That region of the world seems alot more STS than any other part. Even modern "developed" countries in Asia are very oppressive (South Korea, Japan, not to mention China).
you should see middle east first.
Quote:In regards to this topic Ra said something along the lines (can't find the quote) of: don't look at skin pigmentation, look at the philosophy regarding self and other-self in the society. Just a few months ago I learned that Asian countries tend to be "collectivistic" societies which means rather than the needs of the individual they focus on the needs of a group like a family, which sounds more STO on the surface but is actually more STS because every group has a leader, in the case of an Asian family usually the father, and the authority of that leader is unquestioned - free will is ignored. It reminds me of this:
the quote below is inapplicable. for the phenomenon you express above, is more relevant with herd behavior, in which a collective is being dominated by the most dominant orange ray, basically a 2d act, however the below
Quote:87.7 ...
The relationship of such an entity [5d negative] to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.
describes more our current western society in which entities willingly submit their will to the system and work their life off, whereas most of the output gets amassed by a hierarchy of ownership and these control those resources.
Quote:It's just disgusting, so many parents in North America want their children to be "successful", in other words: make alot of money. Do people not understand money doesn't equal happiness? In fact people with more money than they need tend to be more unhappy. If someone of their own free will wanted to be a lawyer that works 12 hours a day at super stressful job so they can make $300,000 a year and buy shiny cars then that's their choice. But when parents force their children to pursue that career and try to mold their behaviour to reach that end from a young age then it angers me.
they dont 'not understand' it. they understand it very well. in a system where everything, even sustenance is tied to the amount of money, you have to gain money. and to gain money, you have to comply with the system. when you comply with the system, you get placed in whichever point you are able to reach in the power pyramid. the only way to go to the top is to work with the system.
a lot of parents, unconsciously see this - at least the everything requires money part - and want their children to be safe by earning a lot of money. but because everyone does that, the system feeds itself and propagates the mechanic. some parents may also realize this, but then they think that there is no way they can change the system, so they still push their kids to make a lot of money to be safe.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - turtledude23 - 01-15-2011
(01-14-2011, 07:07 PM)unity100 Wrote: you should see middle east first.
It's terrible now of course but for hundreds of years the Middle East was the most liberal, open minded, academic, culturally advanced region in the world, back when Europe was the oppressive regime with no academic progress. Where as I'm not aware of any point in Asian history, or present, when it wasn't a super conformist society. The Middle East and Europe going through changes from oppression to freedom shows a potential for change, but as far as I see it Asian society has never changed from its core values of conformity and materialism, that's why I'm so stunned.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - unity100 - 01-15-2011
(01-15-2011, 01:15 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:(01-14-2011, 07:07 PM)unity100 Wrote: you should see middle east first.
It's terrible now of course but for hundreds of years the Middle East was the most liberal, open minded, academic, culturally advanced region in the world, back when Europe was the oppressive regime with no academic progress.
that is what is thrown around here a lot. however it is not correct.
in the duration of 'arabian renaissance', science was limited to few prominent people who were under the protection of their sovereigns. and these people not all lived at once at similar time periods too, like in european renaissance. moreover, most of the information was coming from india through trade.
open mindedness was out of the question. similarly liberalism. i dont know what causes you to think like that, but there is no period in which these can be attributed.
it seems to me that, the negative inclinations which have led to orion influence back in 1600 bc, have stayed their course up till today. complete with all the religion, holy war concepts.
Quote:Where as I'm not aware of any point in Asian history, or present, when it wasn't a super conformist society. The Middle East and Europe going through changes from oppression to freedom shows a potential for change, but as far as I see it Asian society has never changed from its core values of conformity and materialism, that's why I'm so stunned.
i think your historic insight to that part of the world is lacking.
in various parts in india, there had been noticeably advanced societies, even ones in which women were equal to men even by our standards today, even if short lived.
deneb population in china had been maintaining a certain level of civilization for quite a long duration, which surpass almost all the other cultures in antiquity. (at least in known history)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China
chinese were farming and writing circa 5000 bc.
but maybe more importantly, ra says that there was some progress being made among denebians in the second cycle, in regard to principles of Law of One.
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not to mention that a lot of the philosophical bases we are using in spiritualism come from asian origins, or, have been confirmed by channelings.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - turtledude23 - 01-15-2011
I know India was very advanced philosophically, scientificially, culturally, architectually, etc. and relatively open minded. When I said Asia I meant The Orient and South East Asia.
I know China had advanced technology for its time in antiquity but that doesn't have anything to do with what I'd call liberal ideals.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - unity100 - 01-16-2011
debatable. japan for example, is much more liberal about things regarding sex, than anywhere else on earth. whereas nudity is shunned, women's sexuality is still some taboo in even most developed countries in the west, there are public baths where everyone get into the same bath in japan.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - turtledude23 - 01-16-2011
In Japan genitals are blurred out in porn. But being more liberal about sex doesn't mean much when you live in a country where: 90% of people who are arrested never go to trial because they confess because they can be arrested without a charge and detained up to 28 days and tortured at any time; where all schools in the whole country have mandatory uniform and the students HAVE TO eat the lunch provided for them; to list the most obvious points that come to mind.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - unity100 - 01-16-2011
(01-16-2011, 05:02 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: In Japan genitals are blurred out in porn.
and ? in retrospect, how is it in united states ? are there any public baths ?
Quote:But being more liberal about sex doesn't mean much when you live in a country where: 90% of people who are arrested never go to trial because they confess because they can be arrested without a charge and detained up to 28 days and tortured at any time;
patriot act ?
http://www.google.com/search?q=saudi+arabia+slavery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Quote:where all schools in the whole country have mandatory uniform and the students HAVE TO eat the lunch provided for them; to list the most obvious points that come to mind.
so, these are horrible points of oppression and backwardness. horrible that all kids have to wear mandatory uniform, instead of rich showing off their goodies while poor feeling how poor they are by wearing old clothes over and over ?
if these are the most obvious points that come to mind as negatives to liberalness in japan, i dont even want to start talking about middle east.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - Derek - 01-19-2011
China and asia have actually been the most non oppressive, advanced, and open minded societies throughout the majority of the last 1000 years. They certainly have become much more oppressive latley though. I think the majority of the planet has become much more blatantly oppressive. We are (or were to be more positive
) in the age of "koyanisquatsi" or "kali yuga" a time of great destruction.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - Peregrinus - 01-19-2011
I worked in China for a couple years and never felt as free as I did there. Coming home to North America, to the oppression, the rules, the laws, the lack of true rights, the separateness of family, the lack of decency, lack of respect for others, lack of caring... always disdained me. I would live in China if I could, and must say...if anyone thinks China is oppressive, go for a trip there. You will see the larger truth.
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - fairyfarmgirl - 01-19-2011
Parenting styles is dependent on the Cultural Mores and Norms as well as memes... and whole lots sub cultural and cultural conditioning. Further, each culture and nation has its own collective consciousness.
What is considered horrifying in one culture is considered completely normal in another. What is percieved as oppression for one is considered to be liberating for another.
The only constants in any culture is LOVE. With LOVE all works out in the end. It may not be as envisioned but it is as it is to be.
I have a spiritual collegue that is Chinese and has written about China and child rearing. The Difference in Butterflies, A Chinese Dancers memoir of her flight from inner and outer tyranny, Yung Yung Tsaui.
I would also recommend the movie "Babies, the Movie." To see first hand the Unity Consciousness that LOVE is as a constant no matter what culture one is in. There is so much more that is similar than different.
Just here in the states there is an infinite array of parenting styles-- cultural norms, memes and mores... it is vastly different from family to family... and that is just here. To generalize is to do a diservice to yourself and others. Love is really the key. LOVE
I found this interesting study on parenting styles.
--fairyfarmgirl
RE: Parenting Styles on Earth - fairyfarmgirl - 01-21-2011
More stuff about abusive parenting practices by the Chinese. I will add that these abusive practices are practiced everywhere on this planet by all races. This is a collective consciousness that We the People of this World: Humanity is shifting. --fairyfarmgirl