(05-12-2011, 12:18 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Which, to me, indicates that most of us are delusional to think we are harvestable.

(05-12-2011, 12:18 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Which, to me, indicates that most of us are delusional to think we are harvestable.

(05-12-2011, 12:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: That statement really is my thesis.

(05-12-2011, 12:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: It still baffles me that the harvest is few.

(05-12-2011, 07:39 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Ra said the harvest was few, 30 years ago. The numbers may have increased significantly since then.

(05-12-2011, 07:48 PM)Azrael Wrote: I think your signature says all that needs to be said, Monica.

(12-08-2011, 07:18 AM)Namaste Wrote: To come in to this conversation (very) late (how did I miss it, it's fantastic), and to answer the original post, I think acceptance is simply the understanding that all experiences are valid. It does not mean one gives away their power (direction of will) to another(s).

Hence, the disciplined personality knows who they are and why they are here. While accepting the free will of others, they remain unwavering in their beliefs in which to act with integrity and purpose (service to others).

This, in my experience, is what people mean by the phrase 'warrior of light'. It's nothing to do with aggression, it's the self control, balance and determination (founded in love; STO).

(04-25-2011, 12:57 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(04-25-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You fear for the "victim", but the victim is in a STS stance as well. We are looking at two people in an STS relationship. Both are vulnerable. Both are in need of love/light. The "victim" is equally responsible for the situation both entities are in.

Ultimately, of course. But do you see how that line of thinking could taken to the degree of not helping those in need, because "it's their karma"? I know people who say they'd walk away from such a situation, so as "not to interfere."

(12-08-2011, 07:18 AM)Namaste Wrote: To come in to this conversation (very) late (how did I miss it, it's fantastic), and to answer the original post, I think acceptance is simply the understanding that all experiences are valid. It does not mean one gives away their power (direction of will) to another(s).

Hence, the disciplined personality knows who they are and why they are here. While accepting the free will of others, they remain unwavering in their beliefs in which to act with integrity and purpose (service to others).

(12-09-2011, 01:04 PM)Ruth Wrote: Diana - If I see someone starving I would offer them food. If I see someone homeless, I might offer them shelter. Someone with no heat? I might offer to pay their bill. They still must choose to accept my help, or not. So I have not violated their free will by offering my help.

As for an attack - I once actually stepped between two co-workers who were fighting verbally. A male & a female. He was taking an agressive posture, they were both verbally violent, then she slapped him, and I feared that things would escalate. I didn't think about it, I just stepped in and looked the man in the eyes and asked him, "do you really want to continue with this?" He left the office. Do you think I violated anyone's free will in that situation?

Light and love.

(12-09-2011, 01:45 PM)Ruth Wrote: I should clarify that at the time, we were the only three in the office. I know how I feel about it. I know that I acted out of love for BOTH of the individuals involved, even though I really didn't take time to think things through, I just acted. They could have chosen to ignore me and to continue their fight. They could have injured me! But they both decided to stop, and each one thanked me later for stepping in.

I'd like to hear other's thoughts, on this, too. Or if anyone else has examples to share.

(12-10-2011, 10:06 AM)fr33d0m Wrote: What's with the 5 star debt settlement ad link at the bottom of your post?

(12-10-2011, 11:26 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 10:06 AM)fr33d0m Wrote: What's with the 5 star debt settlement ad link at the bottom of your post?

It's a spambot technique. They copy and paste from a previous post (in this case http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2597&pid=36931#pid36931) and then add their link.

The mods will delete it if we report it. I'll do it now.

(12-10-2011, 11:26 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 10:06 AM)fr33d0m Wrote: What's with the 5 star debt settlement ad link at the bottom of your post?

It's a spambot technique. They copy and paste from a previous post (in this case http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2597&pid=36931#pid36931) and then add their link.

The mods will delete it if we report it. I'll do it now.

(12-11-2011, 10:10 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: Have you reported it yet? It is still there.

(12-11-2011, 10:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 10:10 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: Have you reported it yet? It is still there.

Yes, I reported it and it's been deleted. Maybe you're thinking of the quote and link in fr33d0m's post? I think he can edit that if he wants.

(12-11-2011, 10:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 10:10 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: Have you reported it yet? It is still there.

Yes, I reported it and it's been deleted. Maybe you're thinking of the quote and link in fr33d0m's post? I think he can edit that if he wants.

(12-09-2011, 01:04 PM)Ruth Wrote: Diana - If I see someone starving I would offer them food. If I see someone homeless, I might offer them shelter. Someone with no heat? I might offer to pay their bill. They still must choose to accept my help, or not. So I have not violated their free will by offering my help.

As for an attack - I once actually stepped between two co-workers who were fighting verbally. A male & a female. He was taking an agressive posture, they were both verbally violent, then she slapped him, and I feared that things would escalate. I didn't think about it, I just stepped in and looked the man in the eyes and asked him, "do you really want to continue with this?" He left the office. Do you think I violated anyone's free will in that situation?

Light and love.

(04-24-2011, 10:21 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Acceptance is a core tenet of the Law of One.

But, what exactly is acceptance?

Quote:46.7 ...Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst.

46.8 Questioner: Then as I understand it you are saying that if the positively polarizing entity fails to accept the other-self or if the negatively polarizing entity fails to control the other-self, either of these conditions will cause cancer, possibly. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The first acceptance, or control depending upon polarity, is of the self. Anger is one of many things to be accepted and loved as a part of self or controlled as a part of self, if the entity is to do work.

52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance?
Ra: I am Ra. In actuality these things are of importance in third through early seventh densities. The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service-to-others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

How, then, are will and acceptance reconciled? How does one choose the STO path while accepting that which is not chosen?

Quote:Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for third-density of this concept. Many entities here feel great compassion for relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, with food if there is hunger as there is now in the African nations, by bringing them medicine if they feel that there is a need to minister to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

This is creating a vibration that is in harmony with green-ray or fourth-density but it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth-density that these entities are experiencing catalysts and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth-density than it would be to minister to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.

On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.

(12-14-2011, 12:30 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: I see that Ra corrects the questioner in emphasizing that it is the acceptance of self, rather than acceptance of others, which matters more in a positively polarized entity.

Quote:Ra: ...The first acceptance, or control depending upon polarity, is of the self.

(12-14-2011, 01:53 PM)Namaste Wrote: Regarding the feeding on the starving...

Feeding the hungary, offering shelter for the homeless etc. is not a violation of free will if you offer and they accept. It would be a violation if you locked them in a home against their will, or force fed them.

Think of it from their perspective; if you were starving and someone appeared and offered you food, would you not thank them? And if you had a spiritual belief, thank the universe?

Do you thank the universe when something helpful manifests in your own life? (One would hope so.) We understand that it's all part of a bigger plan. Regardless, that person(s) who offered a helpful action, although you see it as divine, was acting with free will.

Reverse the roles, with yourself as the giver, and it's no different :¬)

When you act out of love, and you open your heart, you are the divine will. You're a chord, an instrument, in the harmonic dance of love; service to others. Isn't it beautiful? :¬)

(12-14-2011, 01:53 PM)Namaste Wrote: Regarding the feeding on the starving...

Quote:Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for third-density of this concept. Many entities here feel great compassion for relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, with food if there is hunger as there is now in the African nations, by bringing them medicine if they feel that there is a need to minister to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

This is creating a vibration that is in harmony with green-ray or fourth-density but it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth-density that these entities are experiencing catalysts and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth-density than it would be to minister to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.

On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.

Feeding the hungary, offering shelter for the homeless etc. is not a violation of free will if you offer and they accept. It would be a violation if you locked them in a home against their will, or force fed them.

Think of it from their perspective; if you were starving and someone appeared and offered you food, would you not thank them? And if you had a spiritual belief, thank the universe?

Do you thank the universe when something helpful manifests in your own life? (One would hope so.) We understand that it's all part of a bigger plan. Regardless, that person(s) who offered a helpful action, although you see it as divine, was acting with free will.

Reverse the roles, with yourself as the giver, and it's no different :¬)

When you act out of love, and you open your heart, you are the divine will. You're a chord, an instrument, in the harmonic dance of love; service to others. Isn't it beautiful? :¬)

(04-24-2011, 10:21 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Acceptance is a core tenet of the Law of One.

But, what exactly is acceptance?

Quote:Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service-to-others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

Acceptance is often misunderstood and viewed as an 'anything goes' attitude. We know from Ra that this is the density of Choice, and, as indicated in bold above, will not only comes into play also, but is of paramount importance.

How, then, are will and acceptance reconciled? How does one choose the STO path while accepting that which is not chosen?