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Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-23-2011 This was originally posted in this thread. (06-23-2011, 07:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: since it is 51% of entire energy of the entity, red, orange, yellow at least should be open. it leaves 3 other chakras - green, blue, indigo. Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Am I understanding you correctly that green needs to be only 1% open? I am very surprised by this! That is totally not how I understand it! My understanding is that green must be 51% open for STO harvest. (06-23-2011, 02:20 PM)unity100 Wrote: you are forgetting that choice, what determines sto/sts, is related to yellow ray. and at the end of that ray's density, the choice is determined. Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I'm not forgetting that. That doesn't mean we only need 1% green to be harvestable. I am curious which quotes have led you to that conclusion. Choice is only the first step. Choice must be continually reinforced, with power multiplied each time. That is what opens green. Choice comes from yellow, but cause opening of green. It is the opening of green that determines harvestability, not the initial choice. (06-23-2011, 03:05 PM)unity100 Wrote: choice comes from yellow, and when it is made, green is opened, leading to harvestability into 4d, which will be the work of opening the green. Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Your understanding of green is very different from mine, and from what I thought was the general consensus. I'm out of time today but I suggest we start a new thread on that topic. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-23-2011 Awesome propositions. I have never associated the percentage of sto/sts to have anything to do with chakras. They both sound very cool. There is one thing that we should think about if we want to prove either correct. What does 98% to become STS harvestable mean? RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-23-2011 On the red, orange, yellow + 1% scale, could it mean 2% only Red? ![]() Or on the 51% green scale, could it mean 2% of green? ![]() I don't know. Making the reverse fit the puzzle isn't coming to me right now. Neither option sounds remotely logical for the STS harvestability. Thinking back to the General Patton quote, he became less harvestable at the same time he polarized closer to positive. At what point does an STS chooser become more harvestable by avoiding the green ray? RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-24-2011 Quote:17.31 Questioner: I don’t wish to take up extra time asking questions over again. Some areas I consider important enough in relation to the Law of One to ask questions in a different way in order to get another perspective in the answer. It's not just a choice. Ra used the word dedicated. Dedication comes from repeatedly making the same choice. I don't see how anyone could be 51% dedicated to other-selves without opening up green. The requirement isn't just to choose STO, but to be STO. Green ray is about love. Love is needed to serve others. If service is offered without love, then it's self-serving. Offered with love, it's STO. Thus, the 51% applies to green ray love, not choice. Quote:31.10 Questioner: Roughly how many previous incarnations would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation? The below in bold indicates action; not just choice or intention. Green ray activation is the actual loving; not just the intention to love. Thus, it seems apparent to me that the 51% applies to green ray. Quote:41.24 Questioner: Why are the red, yellow, and blue energy centers called primary centers? I think from previous material I understand this, but is there some tracing of these primary colors back to intelligent infinity more profound than what you have given us? RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011 Quote:Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening the kundalini and of what value would that be? In my eyes, one of the most important and useful quotes from the material. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-24-2011 98%? anybody? Ideas? RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-24-2011 (06-23-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Or on the 51% green scale, could it mean 2% of green? Love/compassion are green ray traits. My understanding is that green ray must be 51% activated. (06-23-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't know. Making the reverse fit the puzzle isn't coming to me right now. Me neither. (06-23-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Neither option sounds remotely logical for the STS harvestability. We're not talking about STS harvestability. The 51% refers to STO. (06-23-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Thinking back to the General Patton quote, he became less harvestable at the same time he polarized closer to positive. At what point does an STS chooser become more harvestable by avoiding the green ray? Patton became less harvestable to STO, because of his involvment in war. Despite his becoming more positive in some ways, because he understood love and yet still chose to participate in war, he was held accountable for that choice and forfeited harvestability. Had he been polarized STS, his involvement in war would have increased his harvestability. (06-23-2011, 04:17 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Awesome propositions. I have never associated the percentage of sto/sts to have anything to do with chakras. It has everything to do with the chakras. That is how the percentages are measured. (06-23-2011, 04:17 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: They both sound very cool. There is one thing that we should think about if we want to prove either correct. What does 98% to become STS harvestable mean? The requirement for STS is 95%. Quote:17.32 Questioner: What is to be the entity’s percentage if he is to be harvested for the negative? But again, this thread is about STO harvestability, not STS. ![]() RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Oceania - 06-24-2011 you need to actually feel love? crap. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 03:50 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: But again, this thread is about STO harvestability, not STS. I don't think that the percentages do apply to chakras. If they do, then the STS percentages would apply as well. I don't think you can just ignore the STS percentage to make a case for STO percentages applying to chakras. (well, I suppose you CAN. free will and all) So, are we to assume that to be harvestable for fourth density negative one must have all chakras open except for the final five percent of indigo? This seems very wrong to me. Direction of service doesn't seem to have anything to do with chakras any more than karma has to do with chakras. These are separate things. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 12:57 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:Quote:When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh. I think that in the quote above "universal love" = green ray and "radiant being" = blue ray (or higher). I base that on the quote Monica posted above ("Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another.") and on this one: "The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves. The blue ray entity is a co-Creator." RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 08:41 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(06-24-2011, 03:50 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: But again, this thread is about STO harvestability, not STS. The thread starting with a discussion of whether 1% or 51% of green ray activation is necessary for 4D harvest. (or fourth dimensional?) I just don't think applying the percentages Ra gives for The Choice to the flow of kudalini is appropriate. But if we aren't going to discuss the merits of that, I'll just say it sounds more feasible that one would only need 1% to be open to be considered capable of entering the next density. Quote:55.5 Questioner: You mentioned that this will work when the bidding is properly done. What did you mean by “when the bidding is properly done”? Quote:82.29 Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service-to-others to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? Okay. There we have it. My own lack of understanding is satisfied. Apparently, an STS must apply 95% of the green ray toward self and an STO must apply 51% of the green ray toward otherself. I was wrong. Thanks for letting me work it out ![]() RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - unity100 - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 12:45 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: It's not just a choice. Ra used the word dedicated. Dedication comes from repeatedly making the same choice. and i dont see how you can not see that. yellow is the vibration in which the entity realizes that there are other entities than itself. passing into the yellow, for the first time entity is in full awareness of there being other entities than itself. then, the journey of choice starts. the entity can choose to help other entities by increasingly opening yellow, or, it can do vice versa, by increasingly holding yellow. when the yellow is opened to the full or held to the full, what abridgetoofar explains below happens : (06-24-2011, 12:57 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:Quote:Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening the kundalini and of what value would that be? simply, the upflowing stream from the below, coincides with the end yellow, start green point, and entity is harvestable. Quote:The requirement isn't just to choose STO, but to be STO. that happens by choosing not to withhold from others to 51%, and the 51th % happens to be end of yellow ray. Quote:Green ray is about love. Love is needed to serve others. If service is offered without love, then it's self-serving. Offered with love, it's STO. that is an incorrect approach. green ray is about love, its about magic, its about telepathy and all the things it brings, including understanding. you cannot expect an entity in 3d to be able to work with that ray. leave aside that, when meeting that density's energy in full, 3d entity is not even able to continue living due to electrical field disruptions. ....... i dont see how hard it is to understand : advancement level of the entity, ra had explained, is the point where upward streaming energies from the creation through mind complex meets the downward flowing energies from the spirit complex. this intersection point may be early 2d, late 6d. basically, this is a straight standing stick - your advancement level is where these energies meet. and if you put it into scale, the 51% point will coincide with end of yellow chakra, and start of green chakra - which also opens the gateway to intelligent infinity. moreover, numerous times it was mentioned that opening later centers/chakras before opening and clarifying others would lead to problems for entities, sometimes to the extreme point of destabilization of the spirit complex. the logic you are proposing, somehow, expects a 3d entity to be able to work in green ray chakra, BEFORE it fully completes and masters its yellow chakra. it is not workable. AND, if you go on to say that the entity should do it, and then work on green chakra, the entity becomes 51% outshining with the end of opening of yellow chakra already. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 09:03 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Okay. There we have it. My own lack of understanding is satisfied. Apparently, an STS must apply 95% of the green ray toward self and an STO must apply 51% of the green ray toward otherself. I don't think the negatively-harvestable entity opens green ray at all -- neither toward itself or others. Instead it controls and represses any compassion it may feel towards anyone, including itself. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Oceania - 06-24-2011 i think so too, it's not love of self if you don't love anyone else, that's just a horribly lonely existence. unless you can create your own ppl to love out of yourself. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-24-2011 "Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose." the green Ray is used in a different way, is all. The STS wants to manipulate others. They want others to serve them. They see no benefit is serving an other. The force others to serve them to feed their love for self. Read up on "negative path" RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011 The green ray is not used by STS: Quote:87.11 Questioner: I’m sorry for getting confused on my question here in not asking it correctly. There is a philosophical point of central importance that I am trying to clear up here. It has to do with the fact that fourth-density negative seems to be aware of the first distortion. They are in a nonveiled condition, and they seem to use this knowledge of the first distortion to maintain the situation that they maintain in contacts with this planet. I am trying to extract their ability to understand the mechanism of the first distortion and the consequences of the veiling process and still remain in a mental configuration of separation on the negative path. I hope that I have made myself clear there. I have had a hard time asking this question. There are more specific quotes I can't find right now, such as negative staying in orange/yellow, using orange/yellow to spring to indigo, etc. The green ray is of universal love, something that cannot be acknowledged by STS. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - 3DMonkey - 06-24-2011 But I just gave a quote that says they do use it. From the quote you provided, I read that a fourth density negative chooses not to use green, but that a 3D polarizing negative will use it to serve self until it sees the negative path attainable in 4D to be desireable. It is probably why they need at least 95, so when they get to 4Dneg they can make the leap to blue. If negatives don't use green, then what do they achieve 95% of? RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011 Here's the whole question of the quote you provided: Quote:7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. How it would be possible, if you were in the Orion group, and pointed toward self-service, to progress from our third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that? I'm pretty sure the light/love love/light Ra was referring to comes from contact with intelligent infinity, which STS does using orange/yellow, and STO does using green. Quote:32.2 (06-24-2011, 02:58 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: If negatives don't use green, then what do they achieve 95% of? I think there is some misunderstanding of polarization being measured by the openness of green ray. I personally don't feel it serves one to view the requirements for harvest in percentages. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - kycahi - 06-24-2011 I think that Ra used those percentages to convey the concept. I doubt that some meters show off a percent readout for each of us and, when we help an old lady cross the street it moves our positive meter up a point or two, and if we recruit a fool to follow our orders we move our negative meter up. IMHO they just wanted to say that it's a lot easier to Choose STO and then be slightly more helpful to others than missing opportunities to help. Someone who Chooses STS has to work on it practically all the time, in order to satisfy the Mechanism that they are so talented and eager to command and enslave others that they should go on to or through 4D and continue that work. If this STSer throws a bone to a dog, maybe that counts against STS harvest. I guess it's not enough to gather followers through some kind of charismatic deception, the STSer would have to persuade them that the path of domination over others is the way to go, too. "First I will drill you to follow my commands, then I will lead you to do the commanding of your own followers! It's way cool and worth it, trust me! Follow me!" On the face of it, that has to take focus and concentration to pull off. Regarding colors, I just assume that certain gifted(?) animals start adding some orangish color to their red-yellow auras and they go on to be in 3D, and 3D people will show some greenish cast in their red-orange-yellow auras as they close in on Harvest. Next time they go into space/time, they will have brighter green, but the green will continue gaining strength as they do their 4D activities. They will pick up clues toward wisdom and get some bluish shading, too. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011 33.19 Questioner: Yes, here is one question. Is there any difference in violet ray activity or brightness between entities who are at entrance level both positive and negative to fourth-density? Ra: I am Ra. This correct. The violet ray of the positive fourth-density will be tinged with the green, blue, indigo triad of energies. This tinge may be seen as a portion of a rainbow or prism, as you know it, the rays being quite distinct. The violet ray of fourth-density negative has in its aura, shall we say, the tinge of red, orange, yellow, these rays being muddied rather than distinct. 47.4 Questioner: Did you say that blue was missing from fourth-density negative? Ra: I am Ra. Let us clarify further. As we have previously stated, all beings have the potential for all possible vibratory rates. Thus the potential of the green and blue energy center activation is, of course, precisely where it must be in a creation of Love. However, the negatively polarized entity will have achieved harvest due to extremely efficient use of red and yellow/orange, moving directly to the gateway indigo bringing through this intelligent energy channel the in-streamings of intelligent infinity. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: yellow is the vibration in which the entity realizes that there are other entities than itself. passing into the yellow, for the first time entity is in full awareness of there being other entities than itself. Let's define the characteristics of green: Quote:31.5 Questioner: If a sexual energy transfer occurs in green ray—and I am assuming in this case that there is no red ray energy transfer—does this mean it is impossible for this particular transfer to include fertilization and the birthing of an entity? There are plenty of people on this planet who give freely, without expectation of return. Parents give freely to their children. Many people give to others out of compassion; they make contributions to those who've experienced disaster, the disadvantaged, etc. There are lots of people who do volunteer work, offer their homes and hearts to abused children, etc. These are all green ray expressions. If all we needed was 1% green, the harvest would be a lot bigger. Quote:41.24 Questioner: Why are the red, yellow, and blue energy centers called primary centers? I think from previous material I understand this, but is there some tracing of these primary colors back to intelligent infinity more profound than what you have given us? Plenty of people have compassion. Enough to be harvested? Maybe, maybe not. But surely more than 1%. (06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: you cannot expect an entity in 3d to be able to work with that ray. But people are indeed working with that ray! Furthermore, Ra states that 2D can activate green: Quote:41.15 Questioner: And then what entity would be the simplest that would have red, orange, yellow, and green rays activated? If even my dog can activate green ray, then it's not expecting too much for 3D humans to activate green ray. (06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: leave aside that, when meeting that density's energy in full, 3d entity is not even able to continue living due to electrical field disruptions. In full, yes. Which is why many are uncomfortable with the instreamings of 4D energies; if they are, say, only 20 or 40 or even 60% green activated, they will find 100% green ray uncomfortable. (06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: and if you put it into scale, the 51% point will coincide with end of yellow chakra, and start of green chakra - which also opens the gateway to intelligent infinity. Can you explain how this works for STS? Where is the 95% point for STS? Quote:34.12 Questioner: I thought that that was correct, but I wasn’t sure. Can you give me the same type of information that we have been getting here with respect to the unmanifested interacting between self and gadgets and toys and inventions? We can deduce from the above that people are distracted by gadgets, thus decreasing the possibility of eventual green ray activation. If it's not expected that entities open green ray while in 3D, then why would Ra say this? Quote:34.13 Questioner: What is the general overall effect of television on our society with respect to this catalyst? Note the word many. Many people have attempted to use tv for good. Were all those people Wanderers? Quote:34.17 Questioner: Is it possible for you to use as an example our General Patton and tell me the effect that war had on him in his development? Frequent green ray openings...If all that is needed for STO harvest is 1% green, then surely frequent green ray openings would have resulted in at least 1%. But it didn't. Furthermore, lack of understanding of green ray resulted in slight polarizing to negative. The reverse implication is that understanding of green ray would result in polarizing to positive. Quote:35.4 Questioner: I would now like to ask for the same type of information with respect to Adolf Hitler. You have given a little of this already. It is not necessary for you to recover what you have already given. Could you complete that information? Green ray is the key. Quote:41.13 Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man? The bolded statement indicates 2 things: 1. That it is indeed reasonably expected that entities step forward into green, while in 3D. 2. Consideration of other-self = green ray. Now, to extrapolate further: 51% service to self is required for STO graduation. Service to Others (STO) is synonymous with consideration of other-self. Thus, STO = green ray. Thus, 51% STO = 51% green ray. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-24-2011 Quote:48.6 Questioner: Thank you. I would like to take as an example an entity, starting before birth, who is roughly high on the seniority list for positive polarization and possible harvestability at the end of this cycle and follow a full cycle of his experience starting before his incarnation—which body is activated, the process of becoming incarnate, the activation of the third-density physical body, the process as the body moves through this density and is acted upon by catalysts, the process of death, and the activation of the various bodies so that we make a full circuit from a point prior to incarnation back around through incarnation and death; you might say one cycle of incarnation in this density. Could you do that for me? Ra isn't talking about Wanderers here, but of an entity who is ready for harvest. This entity has moved rapidly thru green, and is now working on blue. This indicates much higher than 1% green. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - unity100 - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 03:29 PM)kycahi Wrote: I think that Ra used those percentages to convey the concept. there is also endless amount of talk in regard to opening energy centers, and opening them in order too - not opening green before yellow or orange - this is something explicitly warned against. it wouldnt be as such in the material if percentages were just used to convey a concept. order of opening of chakras, matter. (06-24-2011, 07:59 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Let's define the characteristics of green: characteristics of green is not something that is sought in 3d harvestees. characteristics of green ray, truly, are the characteristics of green ray. it is what happens when the meaning and vibration of green ray is fully manifested. however, this is the lesson and aim of the 4th density. not 3rd. Quote:Quote:Red ray is the foundation; orange ray the movement towards yellow ray which is the ray of self-awareness and interaction. Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another. i am at a loss to see why you are following that train of thought even : green ray is the ray of compassion and all-forgiving love, and it is expressed in density 4. leaving aside the fact that the proposition that is 'plenty of people have compassion' is debatable in itself, harvest requirement is not compassion - its 51 % service to others. at no point compassion or any particular feeling passes as a requirement for positive 4d harvest. you are transplanting the meaning and requirements of green ray, which is the ray of the 4th density, to harvest requirements based on the concept of compassion. it never passed as a requirement in 3d harvest talk at any given point. Quote:Furthermore, Ra states that 2D can activate green: 'can activate' and 'can keep being stable' are two different things. there are a lot of warnings and pointers in regard to what happens when higher energy centers get activated before lower are, like, simplest being illness : http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&sc=1&ss=1#39 Quote:(06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: you cannot expect an entity in 3d to be able to work with that ray. surely there are. that doesnt mean that they are harvestable, or even they are 3rd d. or, they are actually working with that ray, despite claiming or thinking they do. Quote:(06-24-2011, 10:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: and if you put it into scale, the 51% point will coincide with end of yellow chakra, and start of green chakra - which also opens the gateway to intelligent infinity. in that system, the entity would hold 95% of the energy that comes to itself by clogging its lower energy centers. if you think that the positive entity gets harvested by doing 51%, it means it is already 49% negative. if negative entity holds back 46% more of the energy it is receiving, that makes it negative. Quote:Quote:34.12 Questioner: I thought that that was correct, but I wasn’t sure. Can you give me the same type of information that we have been getting here with respect to the unmanifested interacting between self and gadgets and toys and inventions? activation. activation of green ray through opening of the lower 3 energy centers, opens the gateway to intelligent infinity by activating that ray. therefore becoming harvestable. Quote:Quote:34.13 Questioner: What is the general overall effect of television on our society with respect to this catalyst? i think we are having a miscommunication. i am not saying that entities can not manifest green ray facets during their life in 3d - i am saying that, it is a requirement to be open in the yellow chakra, to be able to work in green. anyone who doesnt do that, experiences problems staying in green, and eventually falls back or gets destabilized. therefore, i say, 51% of opening of green chakra can not be a harvest requirement for entities - because when they open their lower 3 energy centers up to green, they are already fulfilling the 51% positive emissions requirement mathematically (51% of your chakras are stable and open) Quote:Quote:34.17 Questioner: Is it possible for you to use as an example our General Patton and tell me the effect that war had on him in his development? what contradicts ? frequent openings into green ray entry at 51% positive, seeing and perceiving facets of green ray (the principles), and refusing - it makes him fall back to unharvestable -> 50% or lower at yellow. apparently he did not accept the 1% remaining - that would be what, first sub-octave of green chakra ? therefore accepting the green ray. Quote:Quote:Ra: I am Ra. In speaking of the one you call Adolf we have some difficulty due to the intense amount of confusion present in this entity’s life patterns as well as the great confusion which greets any discussion of this entity. you are missing - the entity attempted to activate highest rays of energy while racking the green ray - blue and indigo, require green, naturally, just like how green requires orange and yellow. (red is constant). this caused destabilization of the entity. not surprisingly. Quote:Quote:The appropriate true color for third-density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. or, you consider others more than you consider yourself, in yellow, moving into the green with the remaining 1% from the 50% you already did with red, orange and yellow, and therefore you step into the green, and become harvestable. ..................... im not saying there isnt a chance that you are right. however, expectancy of a ray that will be the understanding of NEXT density is rather illogical as a harvest requirement. just like how during 4d harvest, entities who are READY for accepting the responsibility of learning the dance (blue ray) are harvested into blue ray - not the entities who already opened or mastered blue ray, the harvest requirement for 3rd density should also be similar with all other densities. ............. there are quotes that support your proposition, like the below, if interpreted in a certain sense : http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=102&sc=1&ss=1#11 but, interpreted in another sense, unblocking something is not relevant to the polarity and flow of that energy center. (06-24-2011, 09:09 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Quote:48.6 Questioner: Thank you. I would like to take as an example an entity, starting before birth, who is roughly high on the seniority list for positive polarization and possible harvestability at the end of this cycle and follow a full cycle of his experience starting before his incarnation—which body is activated, the process of becoming incarnate, the activation of the third-density physical body, the process as the body moves through this density and is acted upon by catalysts, the process of death, and the activation of the various bodies so that we make a full circuit from a point prior to incarnation back around through incarnation and death; you might say one cycle of incarnation in this density. Could you do that for me? it appears that you are right. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Monica - 06-24-2011 (06-24-2011, 09:58 PM)unity100 Wrote: it appears that you are right. ![]() We've covered a lot of ground here and have much to ponder. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - AnthroHeart - 07-06-2011 My feeling on this is that the green ray must be opened enough so that the individual will be balanced enough for the higher density. I don't know how STS does it, but I've experienced what feels like higher density, and it comes when I allowed my heart chakra and others to open up more. I can't say what percents they need to be open. I strive to polarize positive as much as possible. Does this mean if the energy is flowing inward toward me that I'm holding it back? Does it have to flow outward to be giving? It feels like the rays are gravitationally attracted to me, and I'm allowing them to flow inward. Hopefully that's not me holding them back. (06-24-2011, 09:58 PM)unity100 Wrote: if you think that the positive entity gets harvested by doing 51%, it means it is already 49% negative. if negative entity holds back 46% more of the energy it is receiving, that makes it negative. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Richard - 07-08-2011 The thing is...we get so wrapped up in percentages of this or percentages of that trying to interpret and understand the words of Ra that were interpreted to us by Carla, Jim & Don. So many layers of interpretation. Its like reading the words of the Christ in the Bible...all of which are supplied to us by fallible humans writing about a man who never wrote anything himself. As far as we know. How does one quantify his or her actions on a daily basis in terms of what percentage they achieved. I don't think you can. Each day is a mountain of choice. I think, as human beings, we just have to try the best we can. Being aware of choices is the first step, in my view. But trying to count it or them will just drive you to distraction. During the course of any day, being human, means that sometimes we are kind, sometimes we're petty...sometimes we're mean. Or just being aware that you didn't handle a situation well..and you ask yourself. "Could I have handled that better?"...and how you go about making things right afterwards. Just because Ra comes across as calculating and logical almost to a fault doesn't mean we have to forego our humanity...not yet. Eventually, but not now. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - kycahi - 07-08-2011 (07-06-2011, 12:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: My feeling on this is that the green ray must be opened enough so that the individual will be balanced enough for the higher density. I don't know how STS does it, but I've experienced what feels like higher density, and it comes when I allowed my heart chakra and others to open up more. Two ways to "measure" service to others: first is intent. If you start the day ready to smile at everyone and to offer help to any who need it, that counts! Second, when you notice someone needing a smile or touch and you do that, more points! If you drop coins in beggar cups, more than half you pass, you are still ahead. Even if you don't give money to a down-and-outer, maybe because you don't have any more in your pocket, yet you smile rather than ignore, that helps. Many homeless folk just want to be treated as human and not some rock to go around, so look and say hi. Richard is right--be human. If you are 51% positive in these terms, I don't think that automatically makes you 49% negative. You just missed some opportunities to be helpful, IMO, while trying to have a life. Until you carry SmartPhone 6, the one with the app that beeps for helpful and buzzes for not helpful to others, don't get all guilty-feeling for passing up, not noticing opportunities. To improve your score, if you feel the need, be mindful of the world as you pass through it. No earplugs while walking through the mall, no playing electronic games when on the bus or subway; observe others. As you see each person, send a beam of love that way. ![]() ![]() RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - peelstreetguy - 07-24-2011 Interesting thread. Thanks guys. I always interpreted it the way Monica was talking about it. -kycahi, I think just like you described in your last post. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - AnthroHeart - 12-02-2011 (06-24-2011, 09:03 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Okay. There we have it. My own lack of understanding is satisfied. Apparently, an STS must apply 95% of the green ray toward self and an STO must apply 51% of the green ray toward otherself. Very apt description. Makes sense. (06-24-2011, 09:09 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with otherself. Having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue-ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity. This may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities. I've been there a few times, feeling the violet ray, where everything feels just amazingly beautiful. Most of the time I live in indigo-ray and heart, with some blue. My blue gets so strong that it chokes me up sometimes, so I have to make sure not to overdo it. I find with strong blue, we have to balance what we offer with whether or not it will violate free will of another. I try to avoid the brutal truths. RE: Green Ray Requirement for Harvest to 4D - Whitefeather - 12-02-2011 (06-24-2011, 01:56 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I don't think the negatively-harvestable entity opens green ray at all -- neither toward itself or others. Instead it controls and represses any compassion it may feel towards anyone, including itself. I agree on that, Fellow Seeker. This is a very important point. We know from Ra that the heart chakra is closed in an STS harvestable entity. (06-24-2011, 03:30 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: 33.19 Thank you all for your extended explanations and your time. I appreciate that. Unity100 makes a couple of good points, I must say, in the sense that the Yellow ray is about social relationships and there is a good percentage of STO work which is done through the yellow ray. (I often disagreed with Unity but on that one he came to some correct conclusion). Ra never says anywhere that for harvestability, we should achieve 51% green ray. Ra said that for harvestability, we should achieve 51% service to others. Those are two different concepts. The percentage for harvestability is not only in green ray. It is difficult for many people to open and activate the green ray and its activity often remains tiny and 'on and off'. Indeed, when the energy from above meets in the heart the energy from below, we have enlightenment. However, people can be harvested in 4d STO without reaching enlightenment, which is a rather good thing. From re-reading many quotes above brought into the thread, we can see that Ra indicates many times that in an STS entity, the heart chakra (green ray) is not only 5% because it is not even open. The 51% then is about overall direction of activity of the entity. It is about the direction and focus of an entity and, their concern about the welfare, safety and happiness of others before their own and, with a sense of overall balance and harmony with others as well as within own self. Be well all Much love ![]() |