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Love - TheInfinite1 - 09-01-2012
Greetings brothers and sisters. Namaste to you as well fellow light beings.
I wish for a discussion on what your belief of Love is. I capitalize the word Love in the sense that I see it as a the One Infinite Creator and thus a title.
Love, to me, is desire. The pure motion (as don states) of being/existence/consciousness is the focus or desire of being (The Word/Logos = Love). Love in its purest form wouldn't be anything other than simply existence or being. Thus all actions are out of distortions of Love. To walk to the store and get groceries would be the desire or focus from Love to Love (Creator to Creator). Even serving the self is Love as it is a desire or focus of self to self. The Creator/Creation's essence and motion is Love.
This is a simple, yet, personal view of Love and other views and understandings would be greatly appreciated.
RE: Love - Patrick - 09-01-2012
Love is All There Is.
RE: Love - zenmaster - 09-01-2012
We are constantly exposed to the fullest amount of love possible. Love is what we want it to be, even the non-personal type of love, because it is necessarily limited by our own capacity to experience it. And therefore, what is a selfless, pure 'loving' to one person is an expression of attachment, bias, and rejection to another. The former person might say 'if only others can experience the love I can experience' then the world would be a better place. People may agree, follow and subsequently destroy their opportunity. As with Maldek's collective "couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others."
RE: Love - Shin'Ar - 09-02-2012
Love is not a matter of perspective or perception.
Love is the difference revealed in between.
Love is direction.
In one direction there is one perspective toward an experience where the environment resulting from the choices made in the proceeding in that direction manifest hatred, intolerance,extreme imbalance, rigity, closed mindedness, lack of compassion for others, indignation toward others, greed and selfishness which sacrifices others for one's own pleasures and desires.
In the other direction there is a persepctive toward an experience where the environment resulting from the choices made in that progression manifest as kindness and compassionate attitudes, sharing, compromise, selflessness, concern for the state of being of others, sacrifice of self for others that one cares about, tolerance of differences, open mindedness, balance of duality, and readiness to retreat from rigidity.
Love itself is actually not found in either of these environments. The environments are merely the different 'manifestations' of the choices made by the fields of consciousness that create them.
Choice is not love. Environment is not love.
Love is the very fine line that exists between those two poles. Without the existence of both environments due to the reality of choice, based upon the freedom of intelligent thought process and the process of state of being, love could not exist.
There must be both, all, for love to manifest in between the two.
In the beginning there was a separation of infinite being and awareness of being, where duality was created as a result of that One Force acting upon itself. In that separation direction came into existence. Polarity.
Such was the state of being of The One Consciousness as It began Its journey of awareness, the Process of Being; manifesting as The All.
Neither polarity becomes anything without the other. Both are one state of being. Each a different direction propelling away from the other. Every action requires an equal and opposite reaction.
Neither action nor reaction can be defined love.
It is only the choosing to deliberately move in the direction which manifests the environment described above in the latter desription, as opposed to the former, which establishes the existence of love. And this is also the direction which leads toward Light rather than darkness.
All is One, but direction is one way or another. And it is not what is manifested by the particular choice that creates what we call love. Love is simply the procession in that direction, rather than procession in the other direction. Without the two choices of direction, there would be no such thing as love.
Love is simply direction.
RE: Love - Unbound - 09-02-2012
We seek within.
RE: Love - Siren - 09-02-2012
Love is the Original Thought, the Creative Principle (de-structive, con-structive, in-structive, re-structive), pure motion, vibration, pulsation, kinetic, flux, energy and action. Love is the great actuator, enabler and potentiator; Love is the Thought, Love is the focus, the ideator, organizer, architect, form-maker, dream-weaver, life-force, animator and manifestator of all things imagined.
All entities within Creation are sub-foci of the Original Thought we call Love, therefore behind every act and every being, there is Love.
Q'uo (May 20, 2007) Wrote:That which created all that there is is a certain vibration of consciousness that, for lack of a better term, we have called unconditional love or Logos.
That one, great, original Thought or Logos has created the starry heavens, the vast spaces within each molecule of your body, and you, a unique point of intersection that catches two worlds, that of the everyday, waking consciousness of your people, skating across the pond of life, and that of the one infinite Creator whose Thought is a Thought of unconditional love.
RE: Love - Meerie - 09-02-2012
To me, love is a warm fuzzy feeling in my belly, that makes me feel one with everything around me and embrace the whole of creation.
RE: Love - Unbound - 09-02-2012
I like that definition!
RE: Love - Shin'Ar - 09-02-2012
(09-02-2012, 02:23 PM)TheEternal Wrote: You've confused us Shin'Ar.
"Neither action nor reaction can be defined love.
It is only the choosing to deliberately move in the direction which manifests the environment described above in the latter desription, as opposed to the former, which establishes the existence of love. And this is also the direction which leads toward Light rather than darkness."
Is not the "choosing" an action or reaction? It seems to me you suggest that "love is when you move towards the light and not the darkness", and I have to blatantly, and bluntly disagree with this notion. This seems to me to be a justification for your manner of choosing.
Love, IS direction, but there is not a left and right, because Love is ALL directions. Love is motion itself, which is electro-magnetic in nature. Love is the mating of fields, and thus the first Love was the Creator mating with Itself. Thus, Love is the fundamental interaction within the universe. Love is part of the innate intelligence of the universe, for it is within Love that Wisdom is found, and within Wisdom that Love is found, and when Love and Wisdom come together we have Infinite Intelligence with Infinite Creativity.
The "existence of Love" is self established. The actions and movements of humans do not decide the existence of Love, in one way or the other. It seems to me you are attaching the idea of Love to some set of external actions which are described by a particular "type" of environment. In one go you say that Love is no action, and then state that action is required for Love to exist. That for Love to exist, it needs to have an appearance in the external environment which is "recognizable" as the notion of Love which is held in the mind.
This, in our Mind, seems quite silly! You are only seeking to confirm and see reflected the Love which is innate within Consciousness. The "manifestation" of Love is all Experience.
My friend, are you sure you do not have Love and "sentiment", confused? When one holds sentiments, they choose this or that direction, they have preference, they are attached to this or that outcome. When one holds Love, all pathways are seen to be as One direction, left or right, it does not matter, for all culminates in Love.
My understanding is that for love to exist there must be the polarities opposing each other, and it is in the direction toward one rather then the other which establishes the existence of love.
I realize that some of you believe that murder is love as well as hatred and many other manifestations of choice that create an environment of a particular character.
That is not my understanding as you know, and so it does not surprise me that you would find my understanding 'silly'.
(09-02-2012, 03:03 PM)TheEternal Wrote: I like that definition!
however you would also like it if she had said that love was her feeling of hatred toward another where she wanted to slit their throat.
Is that correct?
I think it is when we try to incorporate love into all behavior that we really remove its reality of being realized by the existence of all aspects.
but that it exists as a result of all, does not mean that all represents it.
RE: Love - Unbound - 09-02-2012
We seek within.
RE: Love - Shin'Ar - 09-02-2012
(09-02-2012, 03:21 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Love is a word, and words are organized by the mind.
The way you have organized your mind around the word Love arises with certain images, states and moods. Thus, when the opposite of these images are perceived, it is deduced by your mind that Love is not present. By what you say, Love is defined by the existence of Hate (or Fear?), and so Love, by your definition, is not a fundamental aspect of Creation, but an "emergent phenomenon", an aspect of Duality. This is entirely defined by the way you have organized your mind around the word, Love.
In that regard, finding the aspect of universal love in the face of the perception of a negative event, is NOT the same as saying the negative event itself "is love". I can't recall a single individual on this forum who has ever said that "murder is love", only that the individual is able to see beyond the temporal circumstances of the action and see that despite all illusory appearances, it is One Source, One Creator, One Love working behind all experiences.
Who are you to tell anyone that their perception of Love is "wrong"? It seems you spend all your time attempting to villify others in an attempt to "discern the light from the dark", that you have somehow remained blissfully ignorant of the darkness that you are wading in. You project your shadow on to others like no tomorrow, and then turn around and try to act like it's simply "the truth", and that you are some speaker of said truth.
I am going to say this nicely, and perhaps not so subtley, but, don't you think it's time to start looking at your own shadow, instead of always trying to obscure it under some "brilliant" light which appears to be just as blinding and limiting as darkness?
Why do you spend all your time trying to discern and judge the actions of others? Are you paranoid? Are you scared for your Love? I can feel it so strongly that you are running from something within you, there is a beast inside that you do not want to look at, and it pushes on you, and you just shove it deeper.
Never forget, Shin'Ar, I am You, and you are Me, I know the darkness the Light seeks to illumine, and I can tell you, you have been shining your light in an opposite direction from the darkness that needs it. Yours.
Oh, P.S. - Thoth says to lighten up, the ancients are much more flexible than you might think. They are not restricted to this or that mode of expression or communication, and by no means restricted to "ancient ways" in their abilities to make connections with us.
Also, we are unsure why one wouldn't include both Love and whatever is deemed to be its opposite in all things, and understood as a balance thus? If you want to look at the Duality of things anyways...
We might add that we perceive Love as being part of blueprint of consciousness within this realm. We are somewhat confused by your insistence that Love is an emergent phenomenon and not an innate characteristic. This seems, to us, to be a distinctly externally oriented perception.
A QUESTION: So, what is the "destination" of one who supposedly chooses the direction of "not love"?
Az it seems as though I have pushed a button and I would certainly not like to create an air of contention between us if I have said something that has somehow ofended you.
so maybe we should just call it a day my friend.
maybe ina awhile after you have had time to alter your vibration we can continue this discussion in a more beneficial way without the result of damaging our brotherhodd we have established through many discussions here.
But I cannot help but ask how you would be able to relay a message to me from Lord Thoth?
RE: Love - Unbound - 09-02-2012
Humm, we are probably derailing this thread, and we should continue in PMs if so desired.
RE: Love - anagogy - 09-02-2012
To me, love is appreciation.
But what is appreciation?
The dictionary defines appreciation as:
1) to be grateful or thankful for: They appreciated his thoughtfulness.
2) to value or regard highly; place a high estimate on: to appreciate good wine.
3) to be fully conscious of; be aware of; detect: to appreciate the dangers of a situation.
4) to raise in value.
I would also consider "acceptance" to a be a large component of love or appreciation. If you appreciate someone, something, or some aspect, you also accept it. So appreciation could almost be described as acceptance, when it has been imbued with understanding or wisdom of the value of what you are accepting. So in my mind, acceptance is like "love" and "appreciation" is like "love/light" or "light/love".
The emotion we call "love" is our translation, as best we can, of the vibration/frequency/emanations of unity or relatively resistance-free consciousness.
So to summarize, I don't see a huge difference between love, acceptance, or appreciation. These words come close to approximating the connection the word implies -- all connections being predicated on the foundation of unity or oneness. Because unity contains all, it cannot abhor any, as Ra would say.
RE: Love - Shin'Ar - 09-03-2012
(09-02-2012, 04:07 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Humm, we are probably derailing this thread, and we should continue in PMs if so desired.
Azrael, you must free up some space in your PM inbox, I cannot respond.
RE: Love - Patrick - 09-03-2012
(09-02-2012, 11:44 PM)anagogy Wrote: To me, love is appreciation.
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Ah yes, I like that. I had never thought of it this way. Thanks!
RE: Love - Confused - 09-03-2012
(09-03-2012, 09:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-02-2012, 04:07 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Humm, we are probably derailing this thread, and we should continue in PMs if so desired.
Azrael, you must free up some space in your PM inbox, I cannot respond.
Was TheEternal known as Azrael before?
RE: Love - Patrick - 09-03-2012
(09-03-2012, 10:04 AM)Confused Wrote:(09-03-2012, 09:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-02-2012, 04:07 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Humm, we are probably derailing this thread, and we should continue in PMs if so desired.
Azrael, you must free up some space in your PM inbox, I cannot respond.
Was TheEternal known as Azrael before?
Yep
RE: Love - Unbound - 09-03-2012
Always forget that I have to delete the messages I remove from my inbox to fully empty the inbox...
RE: Love - AnthroHeart - 09-03-2012
There is a deleted trash folder that has to be cleared out as well I have found.
RE: Love - Shin'Ar - 09-03-2012
exactly, gotta toss the trash too.
RE: Love - Confused - 09-05-2012
(09-03-2012, 10:26 AM)Patrick Wrote:(09-03-2012, 10:04 AM)Confused Wrote:(09-03-2012, 09:03 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(09-02-2012, 04:07 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Humm, we are probably derailing this thread, and we should continue in PMs if so desired.
Azrael, you must free up some space in your PM inbox, I cannot respond.
Was TheEternal known as Azrael before?
Yep
Thanks, Patrick. You are a sweet-heart, in terms of answering many questions that people pose.
May the light be with you always!