(12-29-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The more interesting, and relevant, question in my mind is to elucidate the tenuous link between David Wilcock's concept of "ascension" and what was actually said in the Ra material. There seems to be a big question mark as to how this link was made, and why it was never openly refuted by L/L Research.

As near as I can discern, more details on the nature of the relationship between L/L and DW circa 1996 when the "spinoff" into Ascension2000.com occurred may shed some light on how such a distorted interpretation of the Ra Material became injected into the mass consciousness. However, it also appears that, for personal reasons, this information is "off limits" for public consumption.

We might just have to accept that we will never know. But if you are willing to ask, this is the line of inquiry I would suggest.

(12-29-2012, 01:01 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: OK got it! I usually avoid mentioning other channels by name, but I can get the point across without doing so.

(12-29-2012, 01:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-29-2012, 01:01 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: OK got it! I usually avoid mentioning other channels by name, but I can get the point across without doing so.

Yes, I understand it is a sensitive subject. But if we are to actually learn something from the whole experience, it could be beneficial to know how it actually occurred.

The interesting thing to me is that, with the Ra contact, from the very beginning they talked about how their messages were twisted and distorted by the people again and again.

Well... it appears to have happened yet again! So that is the dynamic I would be interested to hear some insight on. Not so much- who did what and finger pointing and things like that. But... WOW... let's take a wide-eyed look at how the Ra Material became twisted -yet again- into a false prophecy about 2012. Why does this keep happening? Is it just the Law of Confusion kicking in, and there is nothing we can do about it?

(12-29-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The more interesting, and relevant, question in my mind is to elucidate the tenuous link between David Wilcock's concept of "ascension" and what was actually said in the Ra material. There seems to be a big question mark as to how this link was made, and why it was never openly refuted by L/L Research.

(12-29-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As near as I can discern, more details on the nature of the relationship between L/L and DW circa 1996 when the "spinoff" into Ascension2000.com occurred may shed some light on how such a distorted interpretation of the Ra Material became injected into the mass consciousness. However, it also appears that, for personal reasons, this information is "off limits" for public consumption.

Quote:let's take a wide-eyed look at how the Ra Material became twisted -yet again- into a false prophecy about 2012.

(12-29-2012, 03:46 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: What kind of open refutation are you thinking of?

(12-29-2012, 12:58 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As near as I can discern, more details on the nature of the relationship between L/L and DW circa 1996 when the "spinoff" into Ascension2000.com occurred may shed some light on how such a distorted interpretation of the Ra Material became injected into the mass consciousness. However, it also appears that, for personal reasons, this information is "off limits" for public consumption.

Quote:Did Carla and Jim know David in 1996?

Quote:any researcher trying to draw comparisons between my life and those of the Law of One team, be advised... i was the first person to live in don elkins' room after he committed suicide, nearly 20 years later. i pick up all the energies off of the areas i sleep in whether i want to or not. i slept on the "ra bed" that the original Law of One readings were done off of for the first month i was there. all the frozen suicide thoughtforms in don's room greeted me very strongly - the second or third night i slept in there i had a terrifying dream where gov. spooks shot my head off and i was in my astral body, trying to move my arms to feel if i still had a head. i didn't even take don's original decorations off the wall and repaint to claim the room as my own until a month into the process.

(12-29-2012, 04:00 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I am not sure there is a 'false prophecy' here except by those who blatantly claimed we'd "ascend" on December 21st, 2012.

Quote:People expected a 'shift' because we need one

Quote:Backing away from a false prophecy does not abrogate responsibility for issuing it in the first place.

Quote:What does that even mean?

Quote:Thus far, it would appear that those who have decided to do the inner work are still doing inner work, while those who have decided NOT to do the inner work, are still NOT doing it.

Quote:Backing away from a false prophecy does not abrogate responsibility for issuing it in the first place.

Quote:What responsibility? What did anybody force you to do? Why are we to be 'held responsible' for sharing our thoughts?

Quote:What you see as 'false prophecy', I see as 'zealous interest'.

Quote:Without the December 21st, 2012 meme, i'm not sure I would have 'switched over' from one camp to the other. How many who expected great changes are going to leave the world of distractions and instead just focus on their own life and setting for the next few months?

Quote:Like you have said, what matters is where we go and what we do NOW and moving forward.

(12-29-2012, 04:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Again- L/L may have made the distinction clear, and I am just not aware of it. But I am thinking of the perspective of those who come to the Ra Material, having taken at face value that it says certain things which it does not.

Quote:The concept of ascension is a concept that we have found largely within your cultures’ Christian belief systems. The beliefs vary, but the basic commonality of this idea centers upon the concept of some entities being physically removed from the surface of the Earth to safe places at a time when the remainder of the population of the Earth will be destroyed by the end of the world or some other version of the apocalypse, whether the cause of it be man or spirit. It is not our understanding that this concept is a helpful one spiritually. It is not our opinion that this is the way things work in any physical sense. In our opinion the processes of ascension or harvest are subsumed within the process of moving through the physical death and entrance into larger life, as this instrument would put it.

Quote:Recently we stared getting a wave of fourth-density wanderers. And guess where they’re coming from Lance? They’re coming from Earth.

Lance: Oh really?

Carla: These are the people who’ve already graduated. They’ve gotten to the end of their lives, they’ve died a natural death, which I think is what ascension actually is. They walk what the Ra groups describes as steps of light, every step of light being a little bit more dense with light, dense with information.

Quote:In this instrument’s mind, we find the word “ascension” to have connotations of confusion and chaos. This, my friends, is because as long as spiritual texts have been offered to the people of your planet, the subject of ascension has been one that is held in heavy dispute. Depending upon the way one’s culture works, ascension may or may not be a part of the tenets of the religion of the culture. It may or may not be the way that particular religious or philosophical system describes spiritual advancement. Therefore, there is a certain amount of emotion that clusters around this concept and tends to create a situation in which it is difficult to speak about the subject without exciting emotion.

Quote:This will not occur suddenly in terms of there being a necessity for a sudden change of third to fourth density. Rather, there will be a time of between one and three hundred of your years, from the probability/possibility vortices at which we now look, where your peoples will be able to continue to incarnate in third density to continue to heal the planet and to harvest those entities who are ready now to choose light over darkness, love over fear, and the lessons of the compassionate heart over the lessons of self interest. These are the cycles that we see at this time.

Quote:We had better get to some questions. The first question is, “What do you think that ascension will be like? Carla, you’re my guest. You can go first.

Carla: All right. Ascension is a big buzzword. And, like most buzzwords, it has come to mean less than it should. There’s a lot of fear involved in it. I wrote a series [of articles] on 2012 recently in my column, which you can get from “Carla’s Niche” by going to www.llresearch.org, or www.bring4th.org. It was a good series, I think. It had four or five parts. You might want to take it in, because it probably covers the subject better than I can in ten or fifteen minutes with Wynn here.

Long story short, I believe that ascension or harvest or graduation is going to be individual. It’s going to be at the end of our natural lives, when we pass from the physical and drop our physical bodies. I believe that we will then move into our spiritual bodies. I think for ascension you move into the violet-ray body. The violet-ray body is the read-out of the whole energy body. So you move into that body and you are in a place that is in time/space.

Quote:2012 is significant in the Confederation information not as a time of abrupt Ascension nor as an Armageddon that wipes out Planet Earth, but as that moment in time when it will become virtually impossible to do further work in refining our choice of polarity. Like oil and water, third-density and fourth-density vibrations will begin to pull apart. It is already far more difficult to begin to polarize now than, say fifty years ago. Fourth-density waves of truth have interpenetrated third density more and more. All the issues with which we have avoided working until now are coming up in our lives and smacking us in the face. It is time to face these issues. It is time to fall in love with ourselves.

Quote:Beginning with Part Three of this series, I will talk about the Confederation view of how to prepare for 2012. Their suggestions are based upon our understanding of death as an event which engenders no fear, hence my work in this present article as I try to bring you to a more realistic connection with how you feel about your coming death. Fear plays no part in the Confederation cosmology! Let it play no part in ours!

I open my arms and embrace your spirit! Let us be fearless before the prospect of our deaths, and fearless alike before the prospect of our continued lives within the veil of our present incarnations! Let us rise to meet what comes with hope and faith, and go forth into the passion play of life in joy and thanksgiving! I walk with you into the adventures which lie ahead!

(12-29-2012, 04:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: If he slept in the room 20 years later... then I guess the experience discussed here happened circa 2004. So maybe he didn't know them before that.

Quote:Yes. But how is this different from any other day? The fact is- it isn't any different. And that is the lesson.

(07-07-2013, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: So was that (these) question(s) asked and answered?

(07-07-2013, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: For those of us who did not listen to the radio broadcast (what times, dates, and station numbers, and AM or FM?) . . .

(07-07-2013, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: Why don't you share the answers here?

(07-07-2013, 06:05 AM)Charles Wrote: Delighted that some of us are helpful for you, Monica. How about returning the favor?

(06-17-2015, 06:06 AM)Charles Wrote: Oh, honestly WensellSype, maybe it’s fun for you to just insert inexplicable nonsense, or maybe you’re paid to do this, or (and for your sake, the best explanation) maybe you’re paid to have this fun.


Or perhaps English is a second language for you, and you just don’t know how to write it.   

On this site we use brains and hearts to do our best to make clear sense by writing sentences that actually convey meaning.

I will probably just not read you again, but I do wish you well with patience, and humor, but also with zero understanding of your purpose here.