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About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 05-30-2013
See, my mother has been into spirituality for a long time. She says it's her mission to start a spiritual community here and she's asked me to participate, which, at first I thought was a wonderful idea. However, now she says that I have to lower my vibration otherwise I won't be able to actually do something. Well, I don't really know how to do that(?) and I'm not even sure I want to. This is like her dream, mine as well, but slightly different. When I speak about my dreams she responds with grounding material because she doesn't believe in such dreams anymore. I love her but I don't know how to deal with this stuff and it's quite unnerving actually. If anyone has any suggestions on how to deal with this particular situation..
RE: About my mother: Help. - xise - 05-30-2013
I don't know what meaning you intend when you speak of grounding, but grounding as I know it does not lower your vibration. In fact, I think the term "lower vibration" is pretty vague and non-useful when used in most discussions.
Dreams are important. Ra talks about the importance of dreams. I've personally had contact with my guides in dreams. They are much harder to pin down in waking life.
Grounding, as I understand it, is about making sure you have strong and balanced red/orange/yellow chakras, with an emphasis on red. I don't know if Ra uses the term grounding. Perhaps the term grounding comes from the fact that energetically, the you become more connected to mother earth, and also seem to feel more connected to this reality via nature.
I don't know how to deal with her specifically, but since all is one, working upon yourself should also improve your relationship with her. I find many wanderers have strong upper energy centers (green/blue/indigo/violet), but need to work on their red/orange/yellow. It was so for me, as well as countless others on this forum.
Perhaps the universe, through your mother, is suggesting balancing the red/orange/yellow. It would make sense, since yellow especially involves power and other selves, and starting a community of any sort would necessarily involve a strong orange and yellow.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 05-30-2013
Perhaps it's because I feel like I live in a different reality. If that makes sense? I think I have to study more on the chakras. Thanks!
RE: About my mother: Help. - ChickenInSpace - 05-30-2013
Feels like your mother has some much needed self-work to do.
Lower your vibration? Does she really want that or is she just feeling lonely?
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 05-30-2013
(05-30-2013, 03:52 PM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: Feels like your mother has some much needed self-work to do.
Lower your vibration? Does she really want that or is she just feeling lonely?
She says that she lowered hers because she wasn't able to help people anymore. It's like with everything I say she responds with; "been there, done that, this is what you have to do about it. There's a plan so this and that must be done" She's had many visions about this and things are speeding up a bit at the moment, which is great, but I don't know how to communicate with her anymore. Just had her on the phone and it always leaves me feeling very tired.
Dear lord! I'm addicted to worrying! That's it.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Hototo - 05-30-2013
As one of my guardian friends said:
Tastes so fine and pickelish.
(The emotion of worry in your stomach, doesn't it)
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 05-30-2013
A bit, yes.
Pickelish, I like that word.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Hototo - 05-30-2013
I believe the poster that went by the name Pickle might be incensed by that association.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Monica - 05-30-2013
Aloneness, I am gathering material for tomorrow's radio show. I will ask Carla and Jim their opinion on this.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Bring4th_Austin - 05-30-2013
I entered into a situation with my mom where we both also felt like we were making a shared dream a reality, basically starting and running a farm together. It was very rough and turbulent as we slowly realized how incompatible our relationship was in working towards this dream despite the fact that we seemed to have nearly identical goals. We experienced a lot of catalyst together and were at odds with each other a majority of the time we were working together on the farm. Both of us felt the other person behaved and did things which were detrimental to the dream. We both had expectations of a specific outcome and expectations on how the other should be acting, these expectations being the root of this catalyst.
After a lot of dissatisfaction, we both slowly began to learn about what our lessons were in the situation, most basically that of releasing expectations. Our reality shifted a bit as this happened; things seem to fall away whenever acceptance is fostered. We no longer had a shared dream, both of our directions changed from when we first started, and we eventually went our separate ways. However, our relationship and our individual lives were much improved by the experience and it was essential to both of us in our spiritual growth.
Your heart is likely pulling you in this direction because there are lessons to be learned there. You may not be exactly as your mom expects you to be, and she may not be what you expect, but moving forward you will both have the advantage of sharing disharmony which you could bring some peace to, and bring more light to both of your lives.
RE: About my mother: Help. - BrownEye - 05-30-2013
It only takes negative thought or fear to lower your vibration. Or just eat dead food.
RE: About my mother: Help. - xise - 05-30-2013
Now you can see, that if you speak Pickle's name, even in jest, the entity formerly known as Pickle is summoned. Let this be a lesson to those who take his name in vain!!
RE: About my mother: Help. - Sagittarius - 05-30-2013
You could ask her to delve into what she actually means by those statements, perhaps a semi rational explanation.
RE: About my mother: Help. - BrownEye - 05-30-2013
(05-30-2013, 10:08 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: You could ask her to delve into what she actually means by those statements, perhaps a semi rational explanation.
Sounds like a translation of living in the higher chakras while lower chakras are turned down.
RE: About my mother: Help. - GentleReckoning - 05-31-2013
I understood it as not making yourself lower, but parsing your language so that a layperson can also understand your spirituality without having had any 'metaphysical' experiences.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 05-31-2013
This is by far the most difficult, exciting and fun way of learning I've ever experienced.
My mother and I are very alike except in our way of expressing thoughts and feelings but I see how we both can learn from that. About the vibrational issue, she said; if you keep this up you'll become invisible to other people or they become afraid of you. Invisible? That's interesting!
Thanks all for sharing, muchly appreciated!
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aaron - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 04:37 AM)Aloneness Wrote: This is by far the most difficult, exciting and fun way of learning I've ever experienced.
My mother and I are very alike except in our way of expressing thoughts and feelings but I see how we both can learn from that. About the vibrational issue, she said; if you keep this up you'll become invisible to other people or they become afraid of you. Invisible? That's interesting!
Thanks all for sharing, muchly appreciated!
But raising one's vibration is concomitant with removing distortions from one's being, and especially with polarization! The more you raise your vibration, the more polarized you'll be, and the more power you will have to help others.
It seems like maybe your mom meant something like Gentle Reckoning said? That she didn't mean to literally lower your vibration, but just to make yourself understandable to those who can't digest straight spiritual stuff. It sounds like you have a very interesting relationship to your mom.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Monica - 05-31-2013
We did your question on the radio show tonight, Aloneness.
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5898&pid=123943#pid123943
RE: About my mother: Help. - caycegal - 05-31-2013
My reaction is that you could benefit from studying some of the Abraham material. If it doesn't feel right, it's not right. Any action taken while you are feeling bad about it will not take you where you want to go. Someone (even if it's your mom) who's trying to talk you into anything or persuade you to do things that do not feel comfortable to you could be your teacher in the sense that you will learn with some suffering that such a path is not helpful to anyone. I speak as one who let other people make decisions for me for many years because I thought it was how you show someone you love them, and also I thought it was the "nice" way to be. Don't be mean to your mom - just be in charge of your own decisions. If she insists on telling you what to do and think, let that be her problem. Get help from someone else if you don't know how to stand up too her in a loving way. (Counselor, therapist, Codependents Anonymous meetings are possibilities.)
I give this advice because you asked for it. Take it if it works for you. Discard it if it does not. Listen to your inner guidance.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Aloneness - 06-01-2013
(05-31-2013, 04:51 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:(05-31-2013, 04:37 AM)Aloneness Wrote: This is by far the most difficult, exciting and fun way of learning I've ever experienced.
My mother and I are very alike except in our way of expressing thoughts and feelings but I see how we both can learn from that. About the vibrational issue, she said; if you keep this up you'll become invisible to other people or they become afraid of you. Invisible? That's interesting!
Thanks all for sharing, muchly appreciated!
But raising one's vibration is concomitant with removing distortions from one's being, and especially with polarization! The more you raise your vibration, the more polarized you'll be, and the more power you will have to help others.
It seems like maybe your mom meant something like Gentle Reckoning said? That she didn't mean to literally lower your vibration, but just to make yourself understandable to those who can't digest straight spiritual stuff. It sounds like you have a very interesting relationship to your mom.
i'll have to ask her what exactly she meant to say with it. I'm a bit of an airhead compared to her, she lives by many spiritual 'rules' which I don't understand. I believe she's had some very intense spiritual encounters which caused her to lower her vibe and integrate these rules as safety measures. She's been on this path for a long time so she knows a lot but she likes to keep things/knowledge to herself because she's been dissapointed so many times. I admire her strength a great deal. I don't like the feeling of being pushed in a certain direction and have her say it's a universal law or something, instead of her own controlling issues. She'll probably say I have to work on my 'problem with authority' issue, lol. Yes, it's very interesting.
Thanks.(05-31-2013, 09:18 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: We did your question on the radio show tonight, Aloneness.
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5898&pid=123943#pid123943
That's great Monica, I'll be sure to take a listen today. Merci!
(05-31-2013, 09:56 PM)caycegal Wrote: My reaction is that you could benefit from studying some of the Abraham material. If it doesn't feel right, it's not right. Any action taken while you are feeling bad about it will not take you where you want to go. Someone (even if it's your mom) who's trying to talk you into anything or persuade you to do things that do not feel comfortable to you could be your teacher in the sense that you will learn with some suffering that such a path is not helpful to anyone. I speak as one who let other people make decisions for me for many years because I thought it was how you show someone you love them, and also I thought it was the "nice" way to be. Don't be mean to your mom - just be in charge of your own decisions. If she insists on telling you what to do and think, let that be her problem. Get help from someone else if you don't know how to stand up too her in a loving way. (Counselor, therapist, Codependents Anonymous meetings are possibilities.)
I give this advice because you asked for it. Take it if it works for you. Discard it if it does not. Listen to your inner guidance.
I love Abraham's teachings! Been listening to it for hours these past weeks. I feel unable to stand up to her because I don't really know where I'm headed yet. When I tell her that she'll just say I have to DO something, like, sign up for a workshop. Well, I don't want to because i finally have some time and space to do more inner work, so to speak. Sometimes she says the longer she has to wait for us the more physical pain she has to endure. That kills me but I try not take that personally. Thanks for your response!
RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-21-2013
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RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-21-2013
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RE: About my mother: Help. - caycegal - 11-22-2013
(11-21-2013, 05:01 PM)Melissa Wrote: Awhile ago I've had a talk with my mom where I stated that I might be moving on soon. She now thinks that I'm going to set up a community elsewhere because that's the only reason for moving that makes sense to her. I didn't say very much about it because I find it extremely difficult to talk to her. But she never stops talking, so often times, when I'm home, I'll think about what she said and I'll go like; wtf!? She said what!? After pondering about it in a more reasonable manner it shows what she's reflecting back; insecurity issues(mostly). What's hard for me to take in is that she says things I can't ever see myself actually telling another being. Ever.
I can't talk to her about it because she'll either deny it or take it as a cue for dramatic scenes. That's why I'm writing it here, to vent a little bit.
Well, in a way it's like a crash course 'detachment'. lol
Sounds like Mom is terrified of being alone and lonely. Blessings and joy to you both, and may you find the guidance you need. When it comes to you, may you recognize it and have the courage to make the choice that is right for you. Is your mom an invalid or disabled?
RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-22-2013
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RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-23-2013
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RE: About my mother: Help. - Ashim - 11-23-2013
(11-23-2013, 07:08 AM)Melissa Wrote: The thing is, I'd love to live in a community. It's actually been somewhat of a dream since childhood. A place where everybody is welcome to just be. Where you don't have to follow strict rules or participate in all kinds of activities if you don't want to. Where it doesn't matter if you're vegan or not. Like an organic, transparent, societal structure based on love;acceptance.
Nice to see you being so positive and creative.
The lower and middle heavens look a lot like you describe.
I'm sure we'll be there in a tick.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-23-2013
Well, tinkering about it makes me happy. Thanks for the kind words, Ashim.
RE: About my mother: Help. - bosphorus - 11-23-2013
don't try to lower your vibrations. since lowering it means lowering your consciousness also. Let her walk on her path however don't let her determine yours. Everybody has his own unique path. Go on your own way and honor it.
RE: About my mother: Help. - Melissa - 11-23-2013
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RE: About my mother: Help. - native - 11-23-2013
(11-23-2013, 07:08 AM)Melissa Wrote: The thing is, I'd love to live in a community. It's actually been somewhat of a dream since childhood. A place where everybody is welcome to just be. Where you don't have to follow strict rules or participate in all kinds of activities if you don't want to. Where it doesn't matter if you're vegan or not. Like an organic, transparent, societal structure based on love;acceptance.
I agree..learning to be ok with things you don't agree with seems to be the path towards harmony. Spiritual beliefs and beliefs in general tend to separate us. Well intentioned "teachings" are easily restrictive and controlling. It's not until another reaches out that teaching is ever useful and non-infringing.
This is kind of a very large and general example, but look at the recent example with Syria being cooperative. Americans overwhelmingly rejected the idea of control through force, weary of even more war. And magically, an unexpected peaceful compromise came out of nowhere. It certainly is no coincidence. Many people have been trying to teach peace and higher-vibrational concepts, yet it seems experience is the greatest teacher, and people have to come to their own conclusions through that experience. This time around at least, it was understood that war is not the answer.
So nothing can ever be forced or overcome.."That which is not needed falls away."..allowing more harmonious manifestations to come into being. Successive entry into higher-vibrations involves releasing control, so that the negative can draw in the positive without resistance, moving into the next octave, which seems to be why the deactivation of green-ray is described as being vulnerable to "fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed." And so, the nature of achieving results is completely antithetical to how our mind operates..that experience must be controlled..that the correct way must be taught or understood by the other. Yet true magic creates transformation by learning to court apparent negativity, allowing harmony to come into being, to come through you. By learning to be humble and respect the intelligence and path of the other, we give love with no expectation of return!