2011.02.12 - Abilities of Negative Entities

[Diana]

Do you know what is curious to me? How is it that a bunch of wanderers could get so caught up in driving wedges between one another? Why is it that we cannot even seem to communicate with one another on a web forum without chaos ensuing? Where is this chaos coming from? Who is responsible for it? And how can it be used for the positive?

I have contemplated this as well. I think, for one thing, that we all have a bit of ego involved in these situations. It is difficult to be in 3D density without being affected by the density. And there are various mundane reasons, such as individuals jumping into a thread without reading it.

There may be other implications such as dark energies being attracted to the light here? I tend to think it is our own lack of maturity and level of cooperation and listening/communication skills.

For the sake of discussion: Assuming I am right and mundane influences and our own foibles are at play here, the way to turn it to positive is to recognize our own involvements and take responsibility for them.

Your astral experience in Peru was amazing. Did you do this through meditation? Dream? I'd be interested to know.

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I have gotten sufficiently old not to need to "be right" all the time.

There is also the concept of being heard. As wanderers, there may be many here that feel they were not heard at all since coming to this planet (existence, density), as their questions and communications did not fit with mainstream society. This may be another reason why posters here try to make themselves understood, rather than it being about them trying to be right .

[fr33d0m]

I am seeking to better understand the abilities and limitations of negative entities with regard to the manipulation of positive entities.

Thank you so much for your question. There have been many responses of a separating nature, so I wanted to offer something different:

There are no entities separate from the self. These so-called negatives are aspects of the One Self.

Remember oneness, so whatever experience comes your way, it is yourself encountering yourself.

I offer the possibility that there are no victims, no attackers, but only aspects of the self requesting healing, integration, forgiveness. The Self wants to be Loved in its entirety.

I had a dream in my early 20's about a giant demon chasing me, he was 2 feet tall with horns, etc. He was going to kill me and I was very afraid. I ran for many minutes, but all of a sudden, I became calm, determined, and lost my fear. I calmly turned around to face him and stared him right in the eyes with the thought of "no more of this." He just smiled, laughed, and said, "Awwww, you don't want to play anymore?" He just stood there, playfully, the attack stopped. The dream ended. It was the last of such dreams.

Any perception that falls short of Loving Oneness is an illusion, that, once pierced by the illuminating rays of unconditional love, disappears, leaving only the True Self to shine in its True Reality.

[JustLikeYou]

I have a few comments also:

First, the Banishing Ritual of the Lesser Pentagram is much more than a magical protection. Ra never says much about this fact, but Ra is also never asked. This ritual, as any ritual, invokes particular powers and energies which can greatly assist in the work to be done. That this ritual has an effect of protection can almost be seen as a side-effect.

Second, Diana, I know how you feel. I have walked into threads even in my short tenure at Bring4th with the best of intentions. I wanted to say only what must be said, leaving all else aside. And yet certain personalities bring the shadow out of me. I think wanderers drive wedges between each other because they are often the most adept at hold up mirrors to each other. Friends of mine who adore my words are far less likely to have the courage to reveal my imbalances to me.

Third, fr33dom, you are precisely correct. Each and every negative experience, regardless of the content, is an opportunity to view an imbalance in the self which may be corrected if the negative experience is no longer desired. Fearing the greeting of a negative entity has just the opposite effect: it relieves you of your power and further represses that imbalance which allowed the negative greeting in the first place.

[Diana]

I offer the possibility that there are no victims, no attackers, but only aspects of the self requesting healing, integration, forgiveness. The Self wants to be Loved in its entirety.

This suggestion makes sense to me. In the hypothetical case of a sensitive person going to the mall and feeling barraged by the discordant energies of others, to think of the sensitive person being a victim is not productive. The sensitive person may have the lesson of accepting these energies and the free will of others, or learning to strengthen his/her protection--or whatever the lesson--and in this light, the others in the mall are actually assisting the sensitive person.

[Tenet Nosce]

Your astral experience in Peru was amazing. Did you do this through meditation? Dream? I'd be interested to know.

I had just flopped down in bed, and went to sleep. I don't know if I would call it a dream though, it felt more like OOB.

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After all, you are learning about yourself. If you want to learn about avoidance of something, it is important to understand what it is you think you are avoiding - it will be an aspect of self. 4D negative battles 4D positive due to lack of understanding what they are avoiding - and each group has a power the other lacks due to understandings which were rejected by the other party.

In my own particular case, there is an old friend who became paranoid schizophrenic. While this was a long time in coming, a more permanent sort of break occurred in 2003. This involved him becoming convinced that I was spearheading a conspiracy to have him committed to a mental institution.

Granted at the time... I had pushed him rather hard into taking a four-part personal growth seminar which I was convinced might "help" him. I still believe it would have... if he had completed it. Instead, he decided to drink himself into an alcoholic stupor after the end of the third part, where participants went through a guided meditation focused on forgiveness of others. Anyway... I have learned the lesson of pushing people too far "for their own good". Yet I am still paying the price??

At the time there was so much other stuff going on as well... breakup with a girlfriend and the sudden death of an associate. I was just overwhelmed by everything. Basically I just kicked him out and called his family to come deal with him. I couldn't take it anymore.

Well... for a delusional paranoid schizophrenic, you can imagine that didn't go over so well. Still, I have totally left him alone for nearly 8 years. OTOH, every year since then he tries to "reach out" to me. For a while he had my cell phone number. I tried having conversations with him, but he only calls in delusional states. Basically talking nonsensical and making disguised threats.

After I switched my cell phone number (because of a move, not because of him) when he got activated he would call my family, or my place of business. Trying to pose as a client in order to get my cell phone number, and things like that.

Anyway, this has been happening every year starting at the beginning of August (his birthday) like clockwork, and proceeds until the end of the year. Every year I try to use this as catalyst for coming to a state of forgiveness and compassion for this individual within myself. And yet it persists.

I really don't know what else I am supposed to "get" from this catalyst. Other than to possibly just accept that I am going to be hearing from this individual periodically and that he will be psychotically stalking me for the rest of his (or my) life.

[Diana]

Anyway, this has been happening every year starting at the beginning of August (his birthday) like clockwork, and proceeds until the end of the year. Every year I try to use this as catalyst for coming to a state of forgiveness and compassion for this individual within myself. And yet it persists.

I really don't know what else I am supposed to "get" from this catalyst. Other than to possibly just accept that I am going to be hearing from this individual periodically and that he will be psychotically stalking me for the rest of his (or my) life.

If I may, I would like to offer my opinion.

It may be that you aren't supposed to get anything else at all. He is still having a problem, which is his problem.

It could just be a simple matter of setting boundaries (without emotions involved such as resentment or anger or anything unresolved). You have gotten what you needed from the situation, and in order to not be attached to what he is perpetuating, you set the boundary that you won't enable him by talking with him, and also won't allow his energy into your life, by not talking with him.

I don't know how you go about setting up the boundary--it might involve your family and getting them to agree to respect your wishes and privacy. They don't have to lie or hide you, just tell the truth: you don't wish at this time to communicate with him and wish him well, and they do not give out your phone number. For that matter, if he calls you again you could tell him that, then change your number.

[Tenet Nosce]

It could just be a simple matter of setting boundaries (without emotions involved such as resentment or anger or anything unresolved). You have gotten what you needed from the situation, and in order to not be attached to what he is perpetuating, you set the boundary that you won't enable him by talking with him, and also won't allow his energy into your life, by not talking with him.

You are certainly welcome to share your opinion! However, I've already tried not talking to him. That is why he decides to stalk my loved ones instead.

I feel like I've tried everything. The bottom line- and how it relates to this thread- is that this individual fabricated a complete fantasy in his mind about how I was "out to get him" and seemingly persists in believing it after all this time.

Being assertive doesn't work. Asking for forgiveness doesn't work. Ignoring him doesn't work. A shamanic ceremony didn't seem to work. Kuna healing methods don't seem to work. Counseling didn't seem to work. And so on.

[Tenet Nosce]

I didn't make it through to the middle of the second page. Likely the answer is immediately following the point where I decided to stop reading.

That's ok, the experiences of that individual are particularly unique and it may not be congruent with everyone's current seeking. For what it's worth, I don't think he is lying and he's got a strong desire to be objective and question these experiences.

I am currently on page 3. I have a couple of questions.

Firstly, any idea why this author is so dubious about the Pleiadian woman's claims? So far, everything he was able to corroborate turned out to be true.

Secondly, what do you make of this?

I had tried a great many times to tell them to leave because some psychic "guru" said that it was all i needed to do. Well "guru", that didn't work! The advisor said that the entities do not have a choice in the matter and will be forced to leave in the future (true). She didn't specify who though would do the cleanup.

[zenmaster]

I didn't make it through to the middle of the second page. Likely the answer is immediately following the point where I decided to stop reading.

That's ok, the experiences of that individual are particularly unique and it may not be congruent with everyone's current seeking. For what it's worth, I don't think he is lying and he's got a strong desire to be objective and question these experiences.

I am currently on page 3. I have a couple of questions.

Firstly, any idea why this author is so dubious about the Pleiadian woman's claims? So far, everything he was able to corroborate turned out to be true.

Well, first he doesn't really know if she's 'Pleiadian' - he just calls her that because she looks like something from Bill Meier's and other's attributions.

He's dubious because she works along with these 'greys' which are of the negative persuasion apparently (they have been known to lie). There is some kind of cooperation going on but to what end?

Secondly, what do you make of this?

I had tried a great many times to tell them to leave because some psychic "guru" said that it was all i needed to do. Well "guru", that didn't work! The advisor said that the entities do not have a choice in the matter and will be forced to leave in the future (true). She didn't specify who though would do the cleanup.

Have not given this much thought other than 'positive energies'? Negative abhors 'light'. Much of the agenda (including inner-plane) involves influencing development, but when thoughts are no longer hidden things get auto-cleaned apparently.

"There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation."

[Tenet Nosce]

He's dubious because she works along with these 'greys' which are of the negative persuasion apparently (they have been known to lie). There is some kind of cooperation going on but to what end?

Ah... yes I see. Those greys seem to cause people a lot of discomfort. My understanding is that they are kind of like avatars or biological machines that can be programmed or used by other entities. They don't seem to be able to relate to human emotion very well.

You might really be interested in Dolores Cannon's new book. It really delves into some of these topics and put a new twist on the whole contact/abduction phenomenon. The interesting thing is what she has found with her hypnosis clients when she is able to get past the screen memories. It is kind of tough to put in a nutshell... there is a pretty good preview on Amazon if you were interested in taking a look.

Have not given this much thought other than 'positive energies'? Negative abhors 'light'. Much of the agenda (including inner-plane) involves influencing development, but when thoughts are no longer hidden things get auto-cleaned apparently.

Yeah I dunno. I thought that part was interesting... I got the idea that removal of negative entities might be outside the scope of what an average person can accomplish from this side. It sounded almost like a petition or request needs to be made... maybe there are entities who specialize in this sort of thing? But beyond that it may actually take a while.

"There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Well... this is what I have been trying to figure out. I have been kind of assuming that some weird crap that has been going on for years might be due to a negative entity. But lately I am starting to wonder if it is really one of those inner phantom types being fueled by repressed fear. Some fearful memories from when I was very young have been resurfacing which kind of connects to this whole issue...

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation."

So-called! LOL. Well, taking that statement at face value leads me to conclude that the process this quote refers to is not yet complete.

[Diana]

You might really be interested in Dolores Cannon's new book. It really delves into some of these topics and put a new twist on the whole contact/abduction phenomenon. The interesting thing is what she has found with her hypnosis clients when she is able to get past the screen memories. It is kind of tough to put in a nutshell... there is a pretty good preview on Amazon if you were interested in taking a look.

Dolores Canon's work is amazing and seems very credible to me. Anyone thinking they may be a wanderer would want to read her books, or at least listen to interviews.

[AnthroHeart]

Dolores has her shows archived here: http://cannonarchives.podbean.com/