Fourth Density Ascension

[Melissa]

Got an oracle app, it says; thou shalt savour the process, for thath is thou ænlic purpose.

[Hotsizzle77]

I'm new here and i don't want to be rude or anything but how can you be sure your of fourth or why would some of you think your from a different density? I jus think you can't be sure that you should just live and once your done with this life you'll know. Again I don't want to sound rude I just think as long as we're here were of the third so it shouldn't matter as long as you service others, you know?

No you're not rude at all and I totally appreciate your comment. Honestly I was a part of the forum for 2 days when I posted that thread and I'll admit I got a little too exited.

Having said that, it doesn't change the fact that I had an "awakening" process. My physical body is ofcourse in 3rd dimension but I was trying to express the idea that as a result of the awakening, I felt a "new" and improved me.

[Matt1]

Yeah i guess your right Zen but i still think esoteric studies can speed the process up, Ra did also say the indigo ray was associated with esoteric/occult.

The indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. It is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. This is the energy center worked upon in those teachings considered inner, hidden, and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in its possibilities. As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray

It can definitely speed up the process along with those who desire to become and adept but definitely not needed to attain graduation

I would agree that in order to graduate onto 4th density we only need to polarize STO or STS. However i can only imagine that once you reach this level why would you just want to stop at that? Doesn't it make sense to make the most of the physical incarnation to develop as much as we can?

[zenmaster]

Yeah i guess your right Zen but i still think esoteric studies can speed the process up, Ra did also say the indigo ray was associated with esoteric/occult.

The indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. It is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. This is the energy center worked upon in those teachings considered inner, hidden, and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in its possibilities. As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray

It can definitely speed up the process along with those who desire to become and adept but definitely not needed to attain graduation

I would agree that in order to graduate onto 4th density we only need to polarize STO or STS. However i can only imagine that once you reach this level why would you just want to stop at that? Doesn't it make sense to make the most of the physical incarnation to develop as much as we can?

Imagine the number of lifetimes which allowed violet ray to approach a harvestible level? Now consider "stop at that".

[AnthroHeart]

Imagine the number of lifetimes which allowed violet ray to approach a harvestible level? Now consider "stop at that".

That's a good point. I'm not sure if we can spiritually stop at a certain point. But even if we could, if I knew for a fact I was at a harvestable point, I would be more eager to serve.

[Matt1]

Yeah i guess your right Zen but i still think esoteric studies can speed the process up, Ra did also say the indigo ray was associated with esoteric/occult.

The indigo ray, though precious, is that ray worked upon only by the adept, as you would call it. It is the gateway to intelligent infinity bringing intelligent energy through. This is the energy center worked upon in those teachings considered inner, hidden, and occult, for this ray is that which is infinite in its possibilities. As you are aware, those who heal, teach, and work for the Creator in any way which may be seen to be both radiant and balanced are those activities which are indigo ray

It can definitely speed up the process along with those who desire to become and adept but definitely not needed to attain graduation

I would agree that in order to graduate onto 4th density we only need to polarize STO or STS. However i can only imagine that once you reach this level why would you just want to stop at that? Doesn't it make sense to make the most of the physical incarnation to develop as much as we can?

Imagine the number of lifetimes which allowed violet ray to approach a harvestible level? Now consider "stop at that".

That's a fair point if you look back from 1st to second density as well as 3rd, however i believe activating the higher centers is also worth while in physical incarnation or rather reaching the highest sub octave of this density. I believe you can have all the centers activated and balanced while still being in this density but they will be within the limits of the highest 3rd density sub octave.

[zenmaster]

Having all centers activated is one thing, but balanced is quite another. The limits are not just due to 3D, but due to our society. A1's declaration that one merely need to recognize will sounds like he's been reading OTO literature. But acceptance past what the well trodden path here provides does tend to require development and use of will in order to bother to seek and to recognize self. I don't think there is a "calling" without that seeking, because there is no question to answer.

[Jeremy]

Having all centers activated is one thing, but balanced is quite another. The limits are not just due to 3D, but due to our society. A1's declaration that one merely need to recognize will sounds like he's been reading OTO literature. But acceptance past what the well trodden path here provides does tend to require development and use of will in order to bother to seek and to recognize self. I don't think there is a "calling" without that seeking, because there is no question to answer.

Yea that's the reason why it's such a rare feat as Ra has said. Such activation and balance of this activation is next to impossible within the society on this sphere in my opinion. I think such things would be easier within a monastic environment but can one truly activate all centers in such a restrictive environment?

I've always wonder when Ra spoke of adepthood, they were using some of their own 3D experience to use as a reference in obtaining such levels. And if so, even they stated that their 3D was much more harmonious thus enabling one to attain such a level in a much more conducive environment

[zenmaster]

Having all centers activated is one thing, but balanced is quite another. The limits are not just due to 3D, but due to our society. A1's declaration that one merely need to recognize will sounds like he's been reading OTO literature. But acceptance past what the well trodden path here provides does tend to require development and use of will in order to bother to seek and to recognize self. I don't think there is a "calling" without that seeking, because there is no question to answer.

Yea that's the reason why it's such a rare feat as Ra has said. Such activation and balance of this activation is next to impossible within the society on this sphere in my opinion. I think such things would be easier within a monastic environment but can one truly activate all centers in such a restrictive environment?

I've always wonder when Ra spoke of adepthood, they were using some of their own 3D experience to use as a reference in obtaining such levels. And if so, even they stated that their 3D was much more harmonious thus enabling one to attain such a level in a much more conducive environment

Ra's "adept" is someone that has basically met the requirements for harvest while incarnate and continues working on less distorted understandings. Shamans have called them "masters". There are millions of "adepts" here now which are not wanderers, and there will be millions more if societal distortions continue to lessen.

"However, the streamings from the universe were, at the time we attempted to aid this planet, those which required a certain understanding of purity. This understanding has, as the streamings revolve and all things evolve, changed to a more enlightened view of purity. Thus, there are those among your people at this time whose purity is already one with intelligent infinity."

When Ra said "There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind, no act of service to self or others which does not bear a price, to the entity manifesting, commensurate with its purity. All things in manifestation may be seen in one way or another to be offering themselves in order that transformations may take place upon the level appropriate to the action.", they are talking about use of will.

There is no learning without experience, and there is no experience without effort, and no effort without volition.

[Jeremy]

Ah that answers a lot of questions for me. I was under the impression that it was more rare than that. Such adepthood would still seem quite difficult within a westernized society without a certain amount of reclusion no?

[zenmaster]

And I'd add that there is no teaching without experience either. Teaching intuitive notions without foundational experience is basically the spreading of pre-rational ideologies. So a regressive mindset, sincere as it may be, is effectively being shared to would-be learners.

So pre-rational sounds like poetry or the more common chanellings and the dishonest will use the inherent ambiguity conveyed to conveniently address everything by appeal to unity or to infinity. This may be inspiring, but remember the experience was *never* there, only intuitive notions and "resonance" with an unformed idea or suggested possibility. Transrationality requires experience in the first place, otherwise the teacher is effectively a blind person pretending. Suggested possibilities do not remove distortions.

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Ah that answers a lot of questions for me. I was under the impression that it was more rare than that.

There will always be more balancing, but there will always be minimal balancing after which the category applies. You can start further qualifying balance based on ability or what you see as progress, but why?

Such adepthood would still seem quite difficult within a westernized society without a certain amount of reclusion no?

I think there is actually more opportunity in westernized society due to more free time, health and comforts. Also plenty of catalyst.

[AnthroHeart]

Thus, there are those among your people at this time whose purity is already one with intelligent infinity."

I wonder what it's like for purity to be one with intelligent infinity. Probably always in a state of bliss.