Suicide (selfish?)

[AnthroHeart]

That's a noble work you do. You must have a lot of compassion for them.

It's the sort of work you do when you realize yourself that you are an eternal being of light, that you do not die.

I've prayed to die in the past, but I don't think the Logos would do that.
Never acted out suicidal feelings though.

[Minyatur]

As far as I am aware the suicide is never part of the 'life plan' of any being.

Doesn't that simply mean that the being with a "life plan" has no clue as to how umbalanced he really is? In a sense it probably serves him more than just living an happy "perfect life" and not becoming aware of his own imbalances.

It's just a set of experiences for the person and those around him, not any different than pretty much anything else. STS is still service, if the person can't handle his incarnation and does himself the service of ending it, it's still a service from the Creator to the Creator and also a catalyst for growth.

As a bottomline, some spoke of the pain it gives to those around them. Usually that pain would be much smaller than the one needed to arrive at the conclusion that suicide is the only escape path.

[AnthroHeart]

It's just a set of experiences for the person and those around him, not any different than pretty much anything else. STS is still service, if the person can't handle his incarnation and does himself the service of ending it, it's still a service from the Creator to the Creator and also a catalyst for growth.

I think my mom hates me. It probably would be better on her if I weren't here to live with.

But I'm not suicidal. I just couldn't leave my dogs behind.

I like your post Minyatur.

[Minyatur]

I think my mom hates me. It probably would be better on her if I weren't here to live with.

But I'm not suicidal. I just couldn't leave my dogs behind.

I like your post Minyatur.

I think when one hates another, that person is hating itself and not many see this and thus are not able to work on the hate within. That's how creation work, you see yourself reflected in others be it love or hate.

I've never met you Gemini Wolf, but you seem to have a truly beautiful soul and there seems to be so much underneath your veil. Hold thight and seek the Infinite Light, one day all of this will seem like an enlightening dream.

[AnthroHeart]

My mom also has to take upteen meds for her painful condition of fibromyalgia. She gets angry when her pelvis hurts, and she can't bend down to do things. She has often said she wishes to die. Then that wears off on me. It's a viscous cycle.

Sometimes my own bones hurt. It feels like there's cancer in them. Sometimes my heart hurts. But I'm so ready to fly.

In the end, this will all be worth it.

[Ashim]

I have considered suicide in the past due to extreme pain.
I suffered from extended episodes of cluster headaches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache

[Ashim]

There were entities around during these attacks. They wanted to kill me but had to experience the same pain.
They gave up. Was too much to handle.

I was with my wife during childbirth.
I would say that mycluster headaches were at least the same as giving birth 4 or 5 times a day.
Often for a period of several weeks.

[AnthroHeart]

Suicide is like many steps backwards to spiritual evolution. Might as well have not chosen incarnation. That would have been better.

[Ashim]

Suicide is like many steps backwards to spiritual evolution. Might as well have not chosen incarnation. That would have been better.

No, there is still the potential for learning due to experience. Nothing is lost.

[Ashim]

I can understand a being that does this because of extreme pain, either emotional or physical, and would not care to judge whatsoever.
I would rather be there on transition to give comfort.
When the entity realizes it's true nature ( as an eternal being) there is much confusion and regret.

Those still in incarnation are often best suited to deal with these situations.

[AnthroHeart]

How do you help the beings that have suicided?
Do you just make it your intention to send them love and light?
I don't know any who have done this.

[Ashim]

How do you help the beings that have suicided?
Do you just make it your intention to send them love and light?
I don't know any who have done this.

You must descend to their frequency in order to "meet" them.
This is particularly uncomfortable and must be practiced.

We work in groups. These are skilled and very experienced beings, many of whom having personal histories that include this scenario.
A portal is opened and through they come.

One can also spend an entire incarnation in 3rd density working with a being that had suicided in a previous 'life'.

Some beings are so sad that they wish to be "un-existed".

Thus the calling and the response from the "Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow".

[AnthroHeart]

While I'm not willing, nor really able to lower my vibration to meet one who has suicided, I can send light and love to those who need it. Who knows what other service I can be by being here. In the past I had wanted to not exist.

[Ashim]

While I'm not willing, nor really able to lower my vibration to meet one who has suicided, I can send light and love to those who need it. Who knows what other service I can be by being here. In the past I had wanted to not exist.

I love your contributions Gemini, as do many others I'm sure.
That's enough in any case.
You have a huge heart and are super honest - something that Ra said was lacking here in 3d.

Tis an honor to count you as a friend.

[AnthroHeart]

While I'm not willing, nor really able to lower my vibration to meet one who has suicided, I can send light and love to those who need it. Who knows what other service I can be by being here. In the past I had wanted to not exist.

I love your contributions Gemini, as do many others I'm sure.
That's enough in any case.
You have a huge heart and are super honest - something that Ra said was lacking here in 3d.

Tis an honor to count you as a friend.

Wow, I didn't know. Thank you. I feel I am honest enough, without causing unnecessary distortions.

[Plenum]

(bold added by me)

That being said, people who kill themselves irritate me spiritually, mentally and emotionally.  Why?  Killing yourself is selfish.  It makes you feel that you are so central, that you are the problem and answer to your problem.  If you commit suicide, you are not thinking about the great burden you are placing on others.  If you do think abou the burden and go through with the act as an attention grab, you are sociopathic and just need some more teaching from one of the millions that has gone through exactly what you have.  If you are ready to kill yourself, you are FEEDING your negative emotions and STARVING your positive ones - I feel no mercy for self-infliction ( just pity and compassion).  You need to choose to get it together like we all do, or face the consequence.  AND, what is the consequence of suicide?  From what I have studied SPIRITUALLY about suicide that has stuck with me is that you must REPEAT the lesson you were meant to process that caused you to feel driven to suicide.  Therefore, I carry a bitter feeling to those who commit suicide as I feel it is taking the easy way out.  And we all know the easy path isn't always your path... Thoughts?  

know anyone in your life who killed themselves?

[Nicholas]

"I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad,
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
I find it hard to tell you cause I find it hard to take,
When people run in circles it's a very very, mad world"

[Jade]

It's just a set of experiences for the person and those around him, not any different than pretty much anything else. STS is still service, if the person can't handle his incarnation and does himself the service of ending it, it's still a service from the Creator to the Creator and also a catalyst for growth.

I think my mom hates me. It probably would be better on her if I weren't here to live with.

But I'm not suicidal. I just couldn't leave my dogs behind.

I like your post Minyatur.

Lately, Gem, I have been going through a lot of what you have - feeling hatred from a parent. My dad (and my aunt) have been on a campaign against me for a few years now and it ramped up the past few months. I didn't live with him, but his name was on the deed of the house we were renting (from my grandma) so he felt as if he had more control over me than he did. (They wanted to kick us out so they can sell the house for $$ so they bullied and threatened us incessantly until we left)

This is what I'm slowly trying to integrate and accept: They are mirroring the deepest part of our deepest hatred for ourselves. We all have demons we haven't forgiven ourselves for. Imagined or real, intentional or accident, we have done things that hurt others, and we are remorseful. They give us the opportunity to see those parts of ourselves that we need to grow to love more. When a parent or other family member is one's worst enemy, I think it is a deep and difficult lesson to learn in self-love. How can I love myself if the person who is supposed to love me most of all hates me? Ugh. For the first half of my life, it was my mother who was the more obvious offender, who treated me as if I were throw-away. Drugs were involved there too, drugs and pain, as with my dad and aunt - we have all these sick people who aren't adjusting properly to the frequency change and are acting out on the safest subjects available - people like you and me, who take an incessant amount of prodding to react. As a child and teenager (and up til today), I always felt like I was the family whipping-boy. I'm learning and accepting that I accepted that role to help transmute their pain, I was a vessel for their negative energy and while it was draining and difficult, I am none too worse for the wear for all I had to endure. In fact, I'm better.

Your mom doesn't really hate you. She probably hates herself, or at least her body complex that causes her pain. It wouldn't be better on her if you weren't around - even if for practical reasons, like money. In fact, that may be why she acts out a lot - she feels dependent on you and therefore needs to control you because she feels like without you she would lose control.

Good luck, friend! You are so beautiful and valuable to many. Our path is the humble one without a lot of glory and fame or even thanks, but we have to believe that our positive vibrations have infinite value in helping turn over the mess we have.

[Diana]

While I'm not willing, nor really able to lower my vibration to meet one who has suicided, I can send light and love to those who need it. Who knows what other service I can be by being here. In the past I had wanted to not exist.

I love your contributions Gemini, as do many others I'm sure.
That's enough in any case.
You have a huge heart and are super honest - something that Ra said was lacking here in 3d.

Tis an honor to count you as a friend.

I want to second what Ashim said. 

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you Diana.