Making Use of Space/Time: Theory vs. Experience

[native]

The typical seeker gets their start by being confused by what is going on around them, and in an attempt to make sense of the madness, they slow down and go within. To me, this act of stillness is very much representative of time/space and is not a coincidence as to how we access it. Indeed, in that stillness ideas and possibility can be surveyed.

Ra describes time/space as an immobile state where change is not possible, yet possibility and the grand overview can be seen. They state that incarnating in space/time allows us to move among those potentials and affect change (71.7).

What is sort of the grand spiritual insight we're consistently told is the answer? We're told that going within is sort of the be-all, end-all answer to everything. We incarnate in space/time to evolve, yet we're told time/space has all the answers. In other words, we equate theory and possibility with knowledge and power. Over the past few years, I've found that the biggest stumbling block to spiritual progression is actually theory by itself..that our spiritual beliefs can limit us.

The insight then is that spiritual beliefs by themselves, no matter how much they resonate, make sense, and/or seem completely logical cannot necessarily be considered knowledge. Therefore, true knowledge, and thus, true power, is gained through experience. One can have all sorts of advanced spiritual ideas about things, but if harmony isn't being created within and around you, then something needs adjusting.

It then seems reasonable that while going within is certainly part of the process, being active and making use of space/time is an equal part of the process as well. As a side note, I think this is related to why many seekers feel frustrated even though we seemingly found our home..we get stuck in time/space. There is a latent power that is built up which needs to be put to use in some form. We incarnated in space/time to be and do..be a painter, build a rocking chair, feed the poor..who knows, just do something 

Thoughts?

Link to Ra's description of space/time and time/space..71.6 and 71.7.

[native]

A quote I forgot to include was that Ra does say experience is the best teacher.."The quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves."

Another one which is related would be 17.39.. "It has been our experience that some penetrate several planes at one time. Others penetrate them slowly. Some in eagerness attempt to penetrate the higher planes before penetrating the energies of the so-called lower or more fundamental planes. This causes energy imbalance."

Notice the use of the phrase energy imbalance..higher/lower, inner/outer, space/time, time/space. The kundalini is described as such.. "49.6 We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers."

[native]

Also, I realize it may sound like I'm advocating lessening the use of faith, but I see it as the opposite. Since understanding is not of this density, I think we have to continually place ourselves in that vulnerable state of unknowing (an aspect of faith) for new ideas to be received. Otherwise your interaction and experience with other-selves won't teach you anything. The belief may not change drastically, but its significance and relationship may change and be carried to a "higher" level.


I think eventually we can develop a framework of knowing that we can work from in an attempt to understand, the archetypal mind being a part of that, but that knowing isn't so much understanding in and of itself, but it describes the relationships between things that allow us to attempt to understand.

[upensmoke]

I agree tremendously with you, and i would like to add that one doesn't even need to look to the Ra material to understand or figure out that experience is the best teacher. One thing i disagree with is that I feel thinking insight, or knowledge is an experience in its own right and that power can be gained though it. I just also believe the experience is far more efficient.

[native]

Certainly, I agree. I think the idea is to form ideas and work with them in the real-world. I agree with what you say about experience in general as well.

[AnthroHeart]

Even before I found the Ra material I was doing alright.

If anything the Ra material made my mind more expansive.
Which can be dangerous if you're a schizo.
The scary experiences I had were around densities and burning up in higher density if you're not ready for it.

[Aion]

Hmm, I think consciousness always simultaneously occupies both time/space and space/time. Where we perceive a 'break' in between our bodies in space/time according to the apparent difference of time, I think this is an illusion and in fact there is no space 'in-between' lives because life is never ending, it is revolving.

It isn't that you 'leave' time/space and 'come' to space/, what it is is that the Logos that you are focuses itself upon the ratio of time and space together and shifts it awareness to and from one end to the other. I think what we experience as our incarnations is actually just the focus of the Logos we are within upon this aspect of itself.

The self is truly seamless, I believe. We are still just as much in time/space as we are in space/time and when we die it is just a refocusing in the time/space direction until the focus comes back to space/time where we will have a new experience. Keep in mind that a veil isn't a universal feature and there are space/times for the higher densities as well. In truth, I don't think we ever 'stop' experiencing and that consciousness is a function of intelligent infinity 'filling in the blanks' perpetually.

The fewer 'blanks' we leave in our own selves, by unifying within, the less that is 'random' or seemingly left to chance.

[native]

That's a workable idea. And of course the "two" realms are actually one thing, which seems to be what you're saying in some respects, where they sort of mirror each other or are turned inside-out (as a loose analogy).

[Stranger]

Icaro, the Jeshua material emphasizes exactly what you have posted: that our purpose is not to escape the material into the spiritual, but to express the spiritual through the material. That is the unique opportunity of being human. The top three chakras represent the spiritual, the bottom three the material; and if there is a blockage in the bottom three, we will have difficulty with expressing our higher natures on this material plane. This certainly resonated very strongly with me.

[native]

Glad you found it useful. I like how you say that it's the unique opportunity of being human. Did you know that what you said is in the Ra Material as well?

"15.12 Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One."

"74.6 The indigo center is indeed most important for the work of the adept. However, it cannot, no matter how crystallized, correct to any extent whatsoever imbalances or blockages in other energy centers. They must needs be cleared seriatim from red upwards."