"Violence is Golden" essay by Jack Donovan

[Karl]

Here's an article I read that I found quite interesting. I was wondering how others would respond to it:
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03...is-golden/

[Minyatur]

Well first is why I don't vote nor care about state matters.

Secondly is why STO and STS would need to be splitted apart in 4D.

[ree]

Here's an article I read that I found quite interesting. I was wondering how others would respond to it:
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03...is-golden/

Jack must love fear-porn lol oh my

To me, outer or social violence is basically stemming from inner-violence - we are those violent institutions and practices. Ultimate projection. Destroying the forest or raping and pillaging earth can have some inner, psychological origin of repression and self-destruction projected outwardly. Don't think society is generally polarizing towards STS bc not a lot of people use will and faith to intentionally polarize. They are likely just reacting from emotions (which in case of violence or anger or fear would be a knee-jerk survival reaction since it's controlled by the most primitive part of your brain in body complex) and they may not know how to self-sooth, thus leading to poor choice-making.  

How do we react to certain catalyst, i.e., do we react to negative catalyst by positive or negative interpretation of catalyst (which is how we polarize)?

e.g., In 17.20 Ra talks about how Jesus' aggression lead to a friend being mortally wounded. Jesus used this catalyst positively by seeking, searching, forgiving self, and serving. 

In the case of anger (as inner-violence), a positive interpretation of catalyst might look like this:

Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.

Negative interpretation of catalyst might look like this:

The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected or random energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self, or otherwise control the situation causing anger.

However, a negatively oriented entity may choose a painful condition in order to improve the distortion toward the so-called negative emotive mentations such as anger, hatred, and frustration. Such an entity may use an entire incarnative experience honing a blunt edge of hatred or anger so that it may polarize more towards the negative or separated pole.

Think most people are likely not consciously aware of their interpretation of catalyst, and they don't intentionally try to use violence (inner or outer) to polarize (plus, they might not have consciously chosen their path). Just understanding what it means to interpret catalyst can help us reflect about ourselves, you know? We as society just tend to react than have thoughtful and mindful time understanding what's happening to us.

[Aion]

What is violence stripped of blame?

[Lighthead]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

[Minyatur]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

We should all be breatharians then

That would be wonderful, if you can get over consuming microbes.

[Lighthead]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

We should all be breatharians then

That would be wonderful, if you can get over consuming microbes.

I just have to remember to hold my breath when I'm using the bathroom.

[ree]

Do you think then, not breathing and dying is a good service? 

Ra's advice was to imagine these neg catalyst and work through it. Imagination is great. Used to do that in my angry miserable teen years and helped me a lot. Violence not reflected on others but understood & (maybe) accepted.

[Karl]

Violence is the violation of the other-self's will. If you infringe on the other-self's will you may now yourself be infringed upon.

[Lighthead]

Do you think then, not breathing and dying is a good service? 

Ra's advice was to imagine these neg catalyst and work through it. Imagination is great. Used to do that in my angry miserable teen years and helped me a lot. Violence not reflected on others but understood & (maybe) accepted.

Breathing is a function. It's as natural as... apple pie.

[ree]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

We should all be breatharians then

That would be wonderful, if you can get over consuming microbes.

I was being a bit facetious lol 

Do you think then, not breathing and dying is a good service? 

Ra's advice was to imagine these neg catalyst and work through it. Imagination is great. Used to do that in my angry miserable teen years and helped me a lot. Violence not reflected on others but understood & (maybe) accepted.

Breathing is a function. It's as natural as... apple pie.

Why did Seth think that breathing is violence?

[Lighthead]

@ree:

He was referring to a civilization here on Earth much before ours (I'm not sure what Ra would say about that) whose experiment was for humans to not be violent. They experimented on their own bodies. But, according to Seth, there were repercussions. These humans, on the one hand, we're very intuitive and an advanced civilization that utilized sound for their technology, but they were an extremely afraid species. There were other "side effects" to this experiment, but I can't remember all of them. The main thing is that they were too fearful. He mentioned something about them passing out because they could not respond aggressively in any way.

It's in the book, Seth Speaks. 

But anyway, after he mentioned all of this, Seth said that the experiment was basically a failure because everything is an act of violence and aggression. And that's when he mentioned that breathing is even violence. His point was that violence is an infinitely subtle gradation that is natural to all existence.

[Monica]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

Eh, Seth was wrong. (Or, to be more accurate, Jane was wrong...since she was consciously channeling Seth. Yeah, I know...she claims it was trance but she wasn't unconscious like Carla was. So I suspect a bit of distortion there.) Our bodies are 90% microbes. There are more microbes in our bodies than human cells! We are the natural habitat of microbes.

[Monica]

Do you think then, not breathing and dying is a good service?

No, I think it would be the opposite. Just think of all the sentient beings (human and possibly animal) you might affect, and you wouldn't even save any microbes anyway. That seems rather pointless... a waste of a lifetime. 

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[Monica]

Here's an article I read that I found quite interesting. I was wondering how others would respond to it:
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03...is-golden/

I found it cynical and hopeless. I think the author should read the Law of One and open his mind to new possibilities. He seems very stuck in caveman thinking.

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[Karl]

Here's an article I read that I found quite interesting. I was wondering how others would respond to it:
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2011/03...is-golden/

I found it cynical and hopeless. I think the author should read the Law of One and open his mind to new possibilities. He seems very stuck in caveman thinking.

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The article wasn't stating that violence was the ideal, just that it is the final means of control or "order" in human society. As much as people may dislike it everything we enjoy in modern society is built on violence or the threat of violence in one way or another.

[Diana]

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The article wasn't stating that violence was the ideal, just that it is the final means of control or "order" in human society. As much as people may dislike it everything we enjoy in modern society is built on violence or the threat of violence in one way or another.

And yet, we are hopefully evolving. Hopefully moving into 4D. 

Things such as violence, power over others, slavery (in all of its forms including mental), separation, still work in our cultures because they still have power. But as we stop responding to, and adding to, their use, they will lose power. 

That's one of the reasons I like martial arts—it's about defense, not offense. I've often wondered why our military hasn't poured all of its energy and funds into defense—cool ways to parry any offense and not add to violence.

The world still functions from the point of violence and other STS-type behaviors. Our societies reward it in so many ways. If that's what you resonate with, for now, you will be able to hook into a path that functions with ease. It won't last though (presumably) since this is the time of a great shift in consciousness.

[Diana]

I remember Seth saying that breathing is violence.

Seth said there was a difference between violence and aggression. Aggression is needed and often confused with violence. Without aggression the balance of inertia would become stagnate. Progress, evolution, require aggression. But aggression does not equal violence. Violence derives from anger, power over others, mindlessness, rage. Aggression is just the forward momentum achieved from some sort of escape velocity (stagnation or stasis).

[Monica]

The article wasn't stating that violence was the ideal, just that it is the final means of control or "order" in human society. As much as people may dislike it everything we enjoy in modern society is built on violence or the threat of violence in one way or another.

Some aspects of society, yes. But other aspects were built on cooperation and peace. For example, whenever I'm stuck in traffic I sometimes find myself wondering about who built the road or the bridge, and marveling at the cooperation that must have gone into such a huge project. I can think of many examples of aspects of society that were created from peaceful cooperation.

Even if society was held together by violence, we are, presumably, building a 4D society, are we not? So why should we be limited to what worked for primitive cavemen?

[Karl]

Some aspects of society, yes. But other aspects were built on cooperation and peace. For example, whenever I'm stuck in traffic I sometimes find myself wondering about who built the road or the bridge, and marveling at the cooperation that must have gone into such a huge project. I can think of many examples of aspects of society that were created from peaceful cooperation.

Even if society was held together by violence, we are, presumably, building a 4D society, are we not? So why should we be limited to what worked for primitive cavemen?

Because it's not limiting anyone to working like "primitive cavemen". When a positive system fails we have a working "negative" systems to fall back onto until a working positive one can be established. The violence system is a last resort.