Trinity of pain

[Confused]

@fairyfarmgirl - You blessed my heart with your love and I accept that offering of love with humble gratitude. As usual, your post was beautiful in terms of the forest and the farming metaphors, which I assume are simultaneously literal and allegorical.

@JoshC & @fairyfarmgirl - A nice witty exchange in the quintessential essence of 'spiritual democracy'.

Before this post runs out of steam, I would like to address the possibility of dealing with the question of 'how' that fairyfarmgirl so eloquently brought to the surface. In session 41, Ra makes the following quote -

"The relationship is hierarchical in that the sub-Logos uses the intelligent energy in ways set forth by the Logos and uses its free will to co-create the, shall we say, full nuances of your densities as you experience them."

I would like us to hold on to the concepts of "free will to co-create" and "full nuances" as we proceed. In session 17, a question was raised as follows - "Then was the Confederation responsible for the Earth receiving nuclear power?" to which Ra responded with the following -

"It is a point which one cannot judge what is cause. The basic equation which preceded this work was an equation brought through by a Wanderer dedicated to service to the planet. That this work should have become the foundation for instruments of destruction was not intended and was not given."

In other words (in my opinion), the 'nuances' of lived experiences under the planned logoic design can take forms of grotesqueness that were never imagined or intended, especially in a system of catalysts within a 'veiled' context. The STS polarity appears to have made maximal use of this 'uncertainty principle' on this planet.

Now, the thought-forms of possibly unnecessary painful STS catalysts and their tangible material consequences due to the 'uncertainty principle' (as symbolized by the 'Trinity' in this post) are with us. The question now in a STO sense is as to how can we purge or heal ourselves of them? I think the following quotes from session 41 hold some clues =

"This, as all healing techniques, must be used by a conscious being; that is, a being conscious that the ridding of excess and unwanted material from the body complex is the analogy to the ridding of mind or spirit of excess or unwanted material. Thus the one discipline or denial of the unwanted portion as an appropriate part of the self is taken through the tree of mind down through the trunk to subconscious levels where the connection is made and thus the body, mind, and spirit, then in unison, express denial of the excess or unwanted spiritual or mental material as part of the entity.

All then falls away and the entity, while understanding, if you will, and appreciating the nature of the rejected material as part of the greater self, nevertheless, through the action of the will purifies and refines the mind/body/spirit complex, bringing into manifestation the desired mind complex or spirit complex attitude."

I think the above quote can be applicable on a collective basis as well. In session 60, Ra while making remarks on the earthly distortions that played subterfuge on their work with the human species said - "We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naiveté shall not be necessary again". May be a beautiful act of service that we humans can do unto infinite creation is to register our experiences with respect to the undesired and unintended impact of artificial constructs (symbolized by the 'Trinity of Pain') in the 'Great Record of Creation', for at least upcoming octaves can be wary of the 'uncertainty principle'. The great blessing despite the 'uncertainty principle' is that we do have the 'free will to co-create' with the material of our individual and collective learning.

Thank you for reading. Yours in the consciousness of the ONE.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Thank you, Confused. I appreciate your answer. I now let this topic rest within me as momentum builds toward the Shift that is just beginning to rise above the soil and show its tender tendrils.

fairyfarmgirl

[Steppingfeet]

Now, the thought-forms of possibly unnecessary painful STS catalysts and their tangible material consequences due to the 'uncertainty principle' (as symbolized by the 'Trinity' in this post) are with us. The question now in a STO sense is as to how can we purge or heal ourselves of them? I think the following quotes from session 41 hold some clues =

"This, as all healing techniques, must be used by a conscious being; that is, a being conscious that the ridding of excess and unwanted material from the body complex is the analogy to the ridding of mind or spirit of excess or unwanted material. Thus the one discipline or denial of the unwanted portion as an appropriate part of the self is taken through the tree of mind down through the trunk to subconscious levels where the connection is made and thus the body, mind, and spirit, then in unison, express denial of the excess or unwanted spiritual or mental material as part of the entity.

All then falls away and the entity, while understanding, if you will, and appreciating the nature of the rejected material as part of the greater self, nevertheless, through the action of the will purifies and refines the mind/body/spirit complex, bringing into manifestation the desired mind complex or spirit complex attitude."

I think the above quote can be applicable on a collective basis as well.

Dear Confused,

I had never before considered the principle of fasting on a collective basis. Not collective fasting in the sense of a large group of people going without food (though perhaps that too could produce changes in consciousness at will) but rather collectively denying excess or poisonous or toxic or unwanted material in order to rid the earth plane of the targeted material.

I suppose if the unwanted material was a commercial product, it would be easy to see how it would be purged from the system through something on par with boycott - the product's manufacturer(s) would atrophy due to the lack of revenue, and no other other manufacturer would resume mass-production of that product if the human collective rejected the product on a sufficient scale. (I know I'm speaking in generalities that miss so many finer possibilities.)

But how would a collective purge something like fear, or control, or hatred? If every positive entity on the planet linked hands and joined in a ritual of sorts (whether physical body fasting or some other method) in order to reject fear, what would be the outcome? Would these things be purged only from the individuals participating in the act, or would they be purged from the world as a whole? Is it even possible to purge the energies of the negative polarity once they've taken root?

Great idea, Confused!

Love and Light,
GLB

[fairyfarmgirl]

I am still meditating on what Ra means in this rejection of unwanted materials... It is just beginning to work upon my consciousness. The rejection... as I meditated today a thought surfaced that I found to be interesting.

Refusing to participate is a form of rejection.

[Questioner]

In my observations of the world, I realize that most tangible human problems can be traced to three key artificial institutions. They are the constructs of - organized economy (money); organized nation states (social power structures); and organized religion. The inspiration for this query actually stems from my jealousy that those of Ra apparently had a much more beneficent third density environment to evolve from; while those of us on earth have an exponentially difficult proposition. Is Ra's claim in session 60 - "In our naiveté in third-density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power" - a wistful reminder that humanity has needlessly complicated its evolution through the third density? Are the three artificial constructs indeed a 'Trinity of pain and retardation' with respect to our peaceful evolution in terms of STO? It however does offer a lot of fuel for the STS mode.

Hi Confused,

I believe you identified three key areas of problems. However, I see these three areas as symptoms of a single, unified deeper problem.

I've been thinking a lot about money lately, and this seems a perfect time to share my perspective. Perhaps it will be useful, and shed some light on the subject. Perhaps, I'll learn a more productive way to think as we explore these ideas together. Let's explore the nature of money.

Suppose we had no government or religion. Would we still want to use money? I believe that we would, in the absence of perfect communication. Without government interference, money would simply be another tool we could choose to use or not use, as we wish.

Imagine if we had a social memory complex, with the ability to immediately, perfectly understand every other person's thoughts and feelings, goals and intentions. We would then have no use for money. Money is a temporary measure of value that is only useful because we don't know who would like to a barter trade, accepting what we have to offer and in return, providing what we would like to receive.

If I would like to offer what you want, and you would like to trade it for what I want, we could just do a direct barter deal and not need to measure it with money. If we all knew each others' thoughts, we'd immediately know we have what each other want, and do the swap right now, wouldn't we? I would know that you have a poster you don't like, and would like to have a music album I don't enjoy but have in my collection.

We'd happily make the swap the same day, wouldn't we, as soon as we telepathically had this perfect understanding? No money needed.

Because we are blind to the inner life values, goals and preferences of other people, we are not able to set up a simple barter exchange whenever we would like.

Money is a social agreement about a way to represent an unfinished trade that is still in progress: I sell something I don't want any more, but you aren't yet available for me to get what I want from you. I might not even know, when I sell the album, who has the poster I would prefer. So I get money, and later on trade it for what I really want from you as soon as I discover that you have the poster. You can then turn around and use the money to get the album from whoever wound up with it, but doesn't want it either.

Isn't this convoluted? It is a workaround, a kluge, a good enough to get by alternative in the absence of perfect information about what each person really prefers.

Throughout history, every human society picks something that most people agree is a good enough symbolic representation of incomplete transactions (that is, money as a means of exchange). It could be rare metals, fish, shells, rocks, computer data files, or anything else, as long as most people are willing to accept it as they way to help finish unfinished business.

This much is not necessarily a tool of evil or manipulation. It's just one of many ideas that people have made up, along with having names or numbers to designate our streets. Street names give us a way to identify and measure values and locations in land use. Money gives us a way to measure values and exchanges for property rights and activities. The name of a street has nothing to do with whether the righteous or wicked live there today. The means of exchange has nothing to do with whether each side of the deal is loving and just. The tool itself is morally neutral. (Dollar, by the way, originally meant a certain amount of gold by weight.)

Some economists make a strong argument that if governments did not interfere, there would be several different types of money available for people to choose from... just as, without regulation, people often will offer any number of alternatives in anything else.

Once a government gets involved to create a central bank, the rulers can perpetrate a coercive requirement plus a coercive lie. The coercive requirement is that nothing else can be used for money, but only what the elite declare is money for everyone - even if they'd prefer a different type of money.

Without that coercion, some people could trade using gold, some could trade using seashells, some using both and some neither. With everything but seashells made illegal, people who'd rather use gold for money are now criminals. The coercive lie is that fractional reserves, and then no reserves at all, just a declaration by fiat, makes the government's official choice of money a good enough choice.

It's as though people were ready to offer a choice of tools - screwdrivers, hammers, bubble levels, tape measures - and then the government said, no matter whether you are working with a nail, a screw, a wire, or a pipe, you are only allowed to use a Phillips screwdriver. It would be possible to hammer a nail with a screwdriver, but not efficient. It might not be possible at all to strip a wire or solder a pipe weld using just a screwdriver.

But what if it was illegal to use any other tool? That is the problem with a government-declared monopoly on money. The monopoly-makers' friends in the central bank get rich, just as the screwdriver manufacturer would get rich in the silly hand tool example; while everyone else gets screwed. (No pun intended but I guess it works.)

If there was not government interference, people would not accept money that loses 95% of its value within a century. They would insist on a medium of exchange that is also a store of value. But this would prevent the banking oligarchy from having their manipulative, STS way to stealthily steal real values from the rest of society, through their shenanigans of manipulated interest and inflation, while any better options are illegal.

Once the state limits choices of money, they can get away with further lies about it. If a farmer loans a stud dog, they can get the same dog back plus one of the puppies from the new litter; and the borrower is still ahead. If a farmer borrows seed, the seed provider can get back the same amount of seed from the harvest, plus additional seed as a share of the harvest, without forcing the farmer to go hungry.

If you're loaned a Federal Reserve Note, what process of nature makes the nickels and dimes come up with baby pennies you can use to pay the interest on the loan? Only the sweat of your brow, used to gain something else that can be measured in FRN's. And in that way, you're a victim of a theft you don't even realize has occurred.

Thomas Jefferson warned about this. "I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." Of course, we now have both a central bank and standing armies, which would have appalled Tom to see happen in his country!

Interest went from a reasonable concept when money was an agricultural commodity, to an utterly ridiculous tool of power and manipulation we've been conditioned to think of as normal for arbitrary paper cloths and computer data files. The result is that the controllers of the money seize what does not grow by itself, taking away far more than they lent.

If we were free to choose our own favorite type of money per transaction, without that choice being criminalized, we could make sensible choices. If you loan me seeds, you get a share of the garden's produce. If you loan me Federal Reserve Notes to build a hotel, maybe you get a free night's stay... but not more FRN's than you provided. That kind of money don't grow on trees!

Central banking, coercive states, and soul-killing religion are just three tools manipulated by the same controlling cliques throughout history. The fundamental issue here is not one of money, nor of faith, but of power. When there is a hierarchy that can become abusive, STS abusers will use it to be abusive.

I love your term about the trinity of pain. But those are three branches, not three roots. They share a root of a same rotted tree that's dumped polluted fruit on the unwitting heads of humanity for many centuries. The trinity of pain is just three different ways that the masses suffer at the hands of those who set themselves up as false gods and unwelcome controllers.

[Confused]

@Bring4th_GLB - The following are my personal observations to the point that you highlighted.

But how would a collective purge something like fear, or control, or hatred?

As far as my understanding is concerned, it would not be possible to eliminate fear, control, or hatred from the this galactic logoic system (of which our earth is a constituent), as they are integral tools of the negative polarity. It is not the tools that we can purge, but the unintended consequences flowing from the usage of those tools that can be checked under a STO paradigm. I will use a quote of Ra that I used earlier in this thread to communicate my observations to fairyfarmgirl. In session 90, Ra makes the following quote -

"It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced."

Please note that the grasping thumb was designed by the logos to encourage or quicken polarisation; but apparently the logos did not envisage that it would be used for activities such as warfare. May be an activity called 'warfare' as we know it did not exist as a concept in actuality at the 'time' of the design making. Now why did the logos choose "the life-form with the grasping thumb"? A clue is present in Session 19. Please consider the following Ra quote -

"..., the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call it, was designed to distort entities towards a predisposition to deal with each other." In the same session (19), Ra provides an indication as to why the weakening of the physical body was necessary for the third density. In Ra's words -

"The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex."

Thus the logos in order to encourage the use of the mind for third density purposes, weakened the physical complex (the veil). The Logos also inculcated physical dexterity (through the grasping thumb) for a reason that to me is obscured in the verbiage of the aforementioned Ra quote. However, from the earlier quote from session 90, it is clear (in my opinion) that the logos did not envisage that its grand design would lead to extremely painful material consequences such as warfare.

Thus the STO subset of the human population could possibly practice the "one discipline or denial of the unwanted portion as an appropriate part of the self is taken through the tree of mind down through the trunk to subconscious levels where the connection is made and thus the body, mind, and spirit, then in unison, express denial of the excess or unwanted spiritual or mental material as part of the entity". The unwanted portion is not the basic tools of negativity such as hatred or control, but the unintended consequences like extreme physical torture of entities. At least extreme physical torture of entities wherein that event is a random catalyst; for it can be argued that some entities may program physical torture for themselves under their own free will as part of their learning or as a karmic restitution. Even if through our focused will, we are able to avert random physical torture of one individual in this complex world by rejecting that phenomenon as "excess or unwanted material" (session 90), it would live up to Ra's simple message -

"To serve one is to serve all." (session 1)

[Confused]

@fairyfarmgirl - Thank you for being the main source of fuel for this thread. Your service is much appreciated. My last response to Bring4th_GLB, I believe, is deeply linked to the personal insight that you gained during your meditative sessions ("Refusing to participate is a form of rejection").

In many of your remarks, you referred to the principle of patriarchy that has almost snuffed out the feminine flow on this planet over the last few thousand years. It appears as if that again is an example of the grand original design of the logos that has gone awry in terms of tangible material expression on this planet. In session 19, this question was asked - "Can you tell me how this newly created physical complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?". Ra makes the following reply -

"There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results"

It appears as if it was part of the logoic design to strengthen the male (or rational) principle in third density to encourage self-awareness. Intuition, a key aspect of the feminine, it appears is the dominant theme in second density in general. The STS polarity seems to have again made the most effective use of the earlier discussed 'uncertainty principle' to almost completely rout the feminine aspect by nefariously acting on the original logoic plan of enhanced rational (male) capabilities for the third density, thus engendering an imbalance. While the logos may have intended a healthy male-female balance during third density, that plan was apparently subverted through many of the modes (e.g. excessive child bearing, etc) that you already have highlighted throughout this thread.

@Questioner - There is much to assimilate from your entry in this thread. You used the phrase "...unwitting heads of humanity..." towards the end of your post. In other words, 'ignorance' is the main deterrent to effective STO energies on this planet, redolent of the verse in the Holy Bible that says - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." (Hosea 4:6). In order to decrease the level of ignorance on this planet, the intensity of calling has to go up in line with the following Ra quote from session 22 -

"...the calling of a group of people whose square overcame the integrated resistance of those unwilling to search or learn.." The quote was made within a particular context. But it underscores the idea that we can individually and collectively strengthen the intensity of our calling for positive (or STO) love and wisdom, so as to breach through the thick veil of ignorance that currently seems to envelop our planet. Of course with the humility that we are not apart from the ignorance (at least I am not).

[fairyfarmgirl]

Thank you, confused. I truly believe you are focused and aware and not confused at all.

Thank you Questioner. A most excellently written essay. It has allowed for greater integration of the insights that are just beginning to take root within me.

This thread has been very healing for me, personally. I have been haunted since childhood for which I have seen in my mind and on TV and in my own life. The Trinity of Pain is shifting to a Trinity of Love as I believe the STS manipulation of the uncertainity principle is coming to a close.

I am still completely and fully against any use of torture whether Ra says it okay or not.

fairyfarmgirl

[Monica]

Thank you, confused. I truly believe you are focused and aware and not confused at all.

Agreed!

Thank you Questioner. A most excellently written essay. It has allowed for greater integration of the insights that are just beginning to take root within me.

This thread has been very healing for me, personally. I have been haunted since childhood for which I have seen in my mind and on TV and in my own life. The Trinity of Pain is shifting to a Trinity of Love as I believe the STS manipulation of the uncertainity principle is coming to a close.

Wonderful! I had a similar experience!

I am still completely and fully against any use of torture whether Ra says it okay or not.

Ra never said torture was 'ok.'

[Confused]

This thread has been very healing for me, personally.

Let us give thanks and praise to the One Infinite Creator for that. I also pay reverent thanks to dear Ra for enabling us to ease some self-imposed strictures through the teaching of important spiritual truths.

The Trinity of Pain is shifting to a Trinity of Love as I believe the STS manipulation of the uncertainity principle is coming to a close.

A blessed amen to that. Also, may our learning yield a rich crop of harvest for the One Infinite Creator in terms of experiences.

@Bring4th_Monica -

[Monica]

Trinity? You forgot the corrupt medical system.

[Questioner]

@Questioner - ... "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." (Hosea 4:6). In order to decrease the level of ignorance on this planet, the intensity of calling has to go up...

Right on. Thanks for including that wonderful Hosea verse and relating it to the strength of the Call for spiritual assistance. These concepts all weave together.

[Confused]

Trinity? You forgot the corrupt medical system.

Ask why it has become corrupt and the reasons are obvious - Money and ruthless power play. Even organized religion seems to have a role if you can observe how research funding is often done in terms of stand on topics such as abortions, genetic engineering, etc. It ties back to the Trinity in that way I suppose. Of course, I may be very wrong.

But still, let us offer thanksgiving and praise to the One Infinite Creator for the many medical personnel who toil ceaselessly and selflessly for their wards.

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Right on. Thanks for including that wonderful Hosea verse and relating it to the strength of the Call for spiritual assistance. These concepts all weave together.

Thanks Questioner. Your original entry into this post is filled with numerous insights. I need to earmark some more time to peruse it slowly and digest it carefully, in spite of having read it already once. Thank you for your beautiful service to fellow seekers.

[Confused]

Right on. Thanks for including that wonderful Hosea verse and relating it to the strength of the Call for spiritual assistance. These concepts all weave together.

Thanks Questioner. Your original entry into this thread has numerous insights. I have to earmark some more time to go through it slowly and carefully, though I read it once. Your service to fellow seekers is much appreciated. I may come back with some questions to you once I peruse your detailed post.

[Questioner]

By the way, the forum software automatically merges two posts if you make them back to back. Your response to me was appended to your response to Monica. You can delete the duplicate if you like.

[Confused]

By the way, the forum software automatically merges two posts if you make them back to back. Your response to me was appended to your response to Monica. You can delete the duplicate if you like.

I did not know that. Thanks Questioner. I however do not know how to delete duplicate posts

Can you help please by informing me how?

[Namaste]

I did not know that. Thanks Questioner. I however do not know how to delete duplicate posts

Can you help please by informing me how?

The quickest solution would be to edit the first post, removing the appended post (including, and from the HR element). This will keep the second post.

Thank you all for the input of this thread, it holds much insight and food for thought.

The inspiration for this query actually stems from my jealousy that those of Ra apparently had a much more beneficent third density environment to evolve from; while those of us on earth have an exponentially difficult proposition.

We are the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, our presence here is entirely because of the circumstances. It is our honour/duty to resonate light, love and peace in these dark and chaotic times, acting as guiding lights for others around us and helping to lift humanity to higher realms of consciousness.

Bashar mentioned that those incarnated on Earth at this time to help lighten the planet are doing a great service for countless other groups of entities, acting as examples of how to be of service, acting as inspiration for other souls to follow suit.

I take great comfort from those words.

[Confused]

Bashar mentioned that those incarnated on Earth at this time to help lighten the planet are doing a great service for countless other groups of entities, acting as examples of how to be of service, acting as inspiration for other souls to follow suit.

Namaste, who is Bashar? Thank you very much for the technical advice with respect to deleting duplicate posts. I am also glad that you enjoyed this thread.

[Questioner]

...while those of us on earth have an exponentially difficult proposition.

We are the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, our presence here is entirely because of the circumstances. It is our honour/duty to resonate light, love and peace in these dark and chaotic times, acting as guiding lights for others around us and helping to lift humanity to higher realms of consciousness.

A lighthouse is most valuable in the most rocky, stormy, dangerous and dark passage, where the most people would get hurt without that light.

This to me seems to be the Wanderer's role.

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Namaste, who is Bashar?

A channeled entity who says things that have a lot of overlap with Law of One teachings, and that inspire many people here. Noteworthy not just for the content, but for an unusually happy, energetic speaking style compared to some spiritual teachers. bashar.org is the site.

Moderators here have asked that we limit discussion of channeled material from sources other than L/L Research. If we mention this other material in passing, and relate it to the Ra or Q'uo material, that's fine. More than that tends to get shut down, not to say that the other teaching is wrong but just that it's off topic here.

[Confused]

@Questioner - Thanks for the heads up on Bashar. You always come up with beautiful analogies (e.g. wanderers as light houses, etc)