Posting & Polarising at Bring4th

[Namaste]

Hello dear Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow :¬)

There has been what seems an increase in negatively orietated discussions on Bring4th recently. Even with the most loving initial intentions, discussions have been prone to generating STS-based emotions and responses rather than the intended opposite.

Why is this?

Rather than a personal answer, I'd like to share a few words of wisdom from our beloved teacher, Ra. Emphasis (underlined) and notes (bold) added.

I am Ra. The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept (STO), reject (STS), or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself. There are many among your social memory complex distortion who, at this time/space, engage daily, as you would put it, in the working upon the Law of One in one of its primal distortions; that is, the ways of love (acceptance, in this case).

We are polarising each and every moment.

1. A post that accepts and supports another, even if the notion does not resonate with you personally, polarises you positively. You have chosen love in the moment.

2. A post that rejects the view point of another, or holds the intention of proving one's self correct and another incorrect, polarises you negatively. You have chosen fear in the moment.

With these two delightfully simple and beautiful truths from Ra, it is easy to determine the chosen polarisation another self is offering when replying to yourself, or another on the forum, regardless of how intellectual or eloquent the offering may be. Often-times the most intellectual replies are that of an imbalance of orange-ray (acceptance of self), yellow-ray (power over others) or blue-ray (accepting communications from another) origin. (From Session 15, Book I.)

Next time you read a post that does not resonate with you, and you are inclined to post, stop and think. Open yourself truthfully to the depths of that reply. Are you inclined to defend your intellect/opinion? If so, pat yourself on the back, you've just caught a (usually unconscious) negative thought pattern before it can manifest and effect another. Now you can consciously choose which end of the spectrum you wish to polarise.

I'll finish on one of my favourite Ra quotes. Quintessentially inspirational :¬)

Ra: I am Ra. Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and useable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density.

Wanderers are not exempt from this lesson. Consciously choose which path you wish to polarise; use this forum (and all catalyst!) as a springboard for your evolution.

Much love to you all, brothers and sisters.

[Ens Entium]

Exquisite post!

The clarity is a torch in the dark.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this one. It certainly gives me a litmus test against which to evaluate my contributions. Also, thank you for you providing service to Bring4th.

Blessings

[Ocean]

thank you for that reminder.

[BlatzAdict]

thanks for that reminder.. i think these were those ascension instructions i was waitin on.

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i try my best to follow this example. and try not to address anything but the love in the moment. though as of recently i address love in the moment with a bit of cynicism. har har

[Xplosiw]

Yeah, I've been noticing similar negative patterns here in Bring4th. People often start to argue about useless things, atleast that's how it looks like to me. I would just leave it there. But great post, this is exactly how I'd say it.

[Namaste]

Thank you for the kind words, and yes, it is but a reminder. We all know this, yet it's easy to get lost in this density of distraction.

We are (being) human, after all ;¬)

[Aaron]

I think this post serves as a beautiful illuminated signpost to us who are trying to figure out what's been going on around here lately! Thank you, Namaste.

I have kind of a pet theory... haha I really have noticed that catalyst has been becoming more intense for everyone around me (myself included) over the past few weeks. Time still seems to be moving along at a very quick pace, bringing along accelerated catalyst.

I think the time of moving forward without paying attention to the polarization opportunities being offered to us is coming to an end. We're all being prompted by spirit to look inside ourselves and do the work NOW. There is no other time! We can't enter 4th density as we are because this is not 4th density. We all have to be open to change.

So, with this increasing catalyst for each and every one of us, personally, it's affecting our discussions here as we attempt to move past it without processing it. It gets louder and louder until we consciously choose to pay attention to it.

I know we have the clarity of mind and humbleness to do so. I know that we can harmonize enough here that waves of peace and love can sweep out from our personal lives into the rest of the world. And based on the amount of likes such posts promoting harmony are receiving, I can say that we all want it too! It's like the universe is saying "How bad do you want it?"

[Ocean]

there's so much pressure to be good i think i'm starting to lose perspective. like you say there's a lot of pressure to work on issues. i gotta grow a spine.

[turtledude23]

Another insightful and eloquently written post Namaste, thank you. I think you've identified the core of the issue, I didn't see it that way before.

My original instinct was to make a sarcastic comment in this thread to condemn the behaviours of certain members but when as I was reading that I thought "oh wait, then I'd be part of the problem". So thanks again, I have chosen to polarize slightly more to STO by accepting people as they are instead of sarcastically pointing out their flaws. And this also ties into a larger lesson I've been contemplating the past few days about how your being/vibration and intentions are more important than what you actually do.

[Ocean]

lol good catch there, Turtle.

[3DMonkey]

Now I feel like I've been shorted a laugh turtledude

[native]

Being able to accept misunderstanding within others is both an exercise of the self and other self.

Often when trying to prove your point, it has nothing to do with the information itself so that the other person understands, but it is simply about showing how you are correct. This is domination. It becomes a battle of intellect/ego. Being a Leo, long ago I learned to stop trying to prove myself, and it was such a relief letting go of always having to be right and be understood. One of Ra's central philosophies is to not teach where understanding isn't sought. This isn't to say that we shouldn't try to get to the root of a discussion, but at some point, just agree to disagree. The key is that if you encounter something negative, you accept it within yourself instead of trying to fight it. If you feel someone is being negative or you don't like what they said, and you react to it negatively, that is your misstep as much as it is theirs. You ultimately choose how you let something affect you.

All our problems in here could be alleviated by understanding, and the consideration of others.

I have a feeling that as wise wanderers, this is a typical issue..because we want to share and make people understand our perspective. There's no point in trying to force it on someone though, because understanding isn't achieved then.

In this way, instead of going on and on and on, you simultaneously accept the other self and stop trying to project the self dominantly. And if you do eventually prove your point, guess what? No one cares!

[Ocean]

yes i really need to stop trying to preach to the not choir.

i also notice when my ego is steering i get this feeling in my throat, this tightness. it's really unpleasant lol. it's like my ego is trying to choke me. do you guys get this feeling ever? maybe it's cuz being ego based is so stressful. even talking about it is making me feel it. ugh. what is that feeling? it's like a fearball in the throat. somekind of tension.

[native]

It would seem to be your blue chakra is acting up. Who knows what's happening with the mechanics of it, but I have had it happen too!

[Ankh]

You are such a beautiful, loving soul, Namasté! Aaah like a crystal! Thank you for the thread.

L/L

[Namaste]

I think the time of moving forward without paying attention to the polarization opportunities being offered to us is coming to an end. We're all being prompted by spirit to look inside ourselves and do the work NOW. There is no other time! We can't enter 4th density as we are because this is not 4th density. We all have to be open to change.

Indeed brother, and this is why so many spiritual masters are telling us over and over again, that now is a fantastic time to be incarnated here. The opportunities to respond to catalyst are thick and fast, with huge potential for polarisation.

there's so much pressure to be good i think i'm starting to lose perspective. like you say there's a lot of pressure to work on issues. i gotta grow a spine.

Interesting perspective - are you the one putting yourself under pressure?

And this also ties into a larger lesson I've been contemplating the past few days about how your being/vibration and intentions are more important than what you actually do.

This statement is a core aspect of my own beliefs. The vibration/energy level we omit is the means of helping this planet move from fear to love. Our thoughts, words and deeds are all representations of a particular vibration. The vibration manifests the circumstances, and not visa-versa.

Being able to accept misunderstanding within others is both an exercise of the self and other self.

Self love :¬)

You are such a beautiful, loving soul, Namasté! Aaah like a crystal! Thank you for the thread.

L/L

What a wonderful community!

[Ocean]

of course i am. it's from my limited understanding of the information. that's why i need to stop whining and read more, meditate and get a balanced perspective.

[norral]

thanks for saying what needed to be said and saying it in a wonderful
way namaste. this site to me is not about competition or seeing who is right or who knows more. its about encouraging and helping one another as we tread the path together. and what ive seen lately is what derek said an attempt to dominate which for me personally is a total turnoff. thanks
for putting it so well and addressing something that needs to be addressed.

your brother
norral

[origin]

Namaste,

Thank you!

Love and Light,
origin

[yossarian]

There's lots of room for disagreement between people, while still accepting and loving.

The real key is not to avoid debate, just avoid making debate about people or egos or proving yourself right. Virtuous debate is a search for the truth, a desire to test ideas, to discuss. This is a great thing if you don't let the ego get involved.

The trick is making sure you don't identify with your position. Anytime you start putting "winning the debate" as a goal over finding the truth I think you're going wrong. (I don't think it's STS though)

A good example is your post. I don't think STS and STO can be simplified quite as you put it. I don't think your conclusions follow from what Ra said either. But I mean this is just my opinion, my interpretation, I'm not particularly upset or worried that you have a different interpretation, and I'm not attached to my own interpretation. We could discuss ideas dispassionately in a loving way as a search for truth and insight, this can be in the form of a debate.

It's a mistake to start turning a debate over ideas into a huge nasty conflict full of negative emotions. But it's equally a mistake to avoid debating or discussing ideas and conflicting opinions because you are scared that asserting yourself is STS.

Gotta get that middle road

[3DMonkey]

The trick is making sure you don't identify with your position.

I like that. A trick for sure- a learned trait for good debate.

[Xenos]

Thank you Namaste! It has been awhile since I have visited to forums and I agree that there was some "negative" vibes on the forum... (felt a bit of a change just browsing around) However I believe we all make mistakes! As long as we are aware of what we have commited, and remember to never repeat those mistakes again...thus polarizing to become positive, taking a bad experience as good!

Love and Light to all! It's a relationship of balance after all. an equilibrium.
Just define your equilibrium different then what the illusion represents as "50-50".

[Namaste]

There's lots of room for disagreement between people, while still accepting and loving.

The real key is not to avoid debate, just avoid making debate about people or egos or proving yourself right. Virtuous debate is a search for the truth, a desire to test ideas, to discuss. This is a great thing if you don't let the ego get involved.

The trick is making sure you don't identify with your position. Anytime you start putting "winning the debate" as a goal over finding the truth I think you're going wrong. (I don't think it's STS though)

Agreed brother. Just to be clear, that was the emphasis behind making the 'proving yourself correct and another incorrect' statement in the original post, along with identifying, truthfully, where the emotions arise from after an impulse to post.

Open discussion is indeed a wonderful means to learn, test one's own boundaries and expand upon views.

[kia]

thanks for saying what needed to be said and saying it in a wonderful
way namaste. this site to me is not about competition or seeing who is right or who knows more. its about encouraging and helping one another as we tread the path together. and what ive seen lately is what derek said an attempt to dominate which for me personally is a total turnoff. thanks
for putting it so well and addressing something that needs to be addressed.

your brother
norral

The feeling is totally mutual Norral
Thanks so much Namaste for lighting me today

[zenmaster]

There's lots of room for disagreement between people, while still accepting and loving.

The real key is not to avoid debate, just avoid making debate about people or egos or proving yourself right. Virtuous debate is a search for the truth, a desire to test ideas, to discuss. This is a great thing if you don't let the ego get involved.

The trick is making sure you don't identify with your position. Anytime you start putting "winning the debate" as a goal over finding the truth I think you're going wrong. (I don't think it's STS though)

A good example is your post. I don't think STS and STO can be simplified quite as you put it. I don't think your conclusions follow from what Ra said either. But I mean this is just my opinion, my interpretation, I'm not particularly upset or worried that you have a different interpretation, and I'm not attached to my own interpretation. We could discuss ideas dispassionately in a loving way as a search for truth and insight, this can be in the form of a debate.

It's a mistake to start turning a debate over ideas into a huge nasty conflict full of negative emotions. But it's equally a mistake to avoid debating or discussing ideas and conflicting opinions because you are scared that asserting yourself is STS.

Gotta get that middle road

Going to have to agree with the majority of yoss's thought here. The intentions are what matter in the long run, regardless of someone's interpretation. Polarizing in 3D is primarily related to creating an understanding through seeking for betterment of the 3D-life condition. Eventually, this understanding is capable of reaching the 'acceptance' level, when interacting with another. However, the expression of such acceptance as a polarizing function in itself, is not so much about the smoothing expression of feeling of love or gratitude (which may be present, and feel good), but that which ultimately potentiates or provides understanding. This is the teach/learn and learn/teach process.

Of course, it's not possible to teach/learn and learn/teach unless there is a certain level of acceptance present, because one must be capable of following and bridging the unique perspectives offered by another. When there is a certain amount of acceptance, we then are in a position to enrich our experiences by sharing. In fact, if in our seeking and acceptance we open ourselves up further, we can directly experience another's point of view on a matter and in doing so there is little room for miscommunication.

It does seem that there are many that have worked very hard to achieve a delicate 'balancing act' with their thoughts of 'love' and acceptance. They inflate such thoughts, placing them onto a pedestal with guarded concern, afraid for their loss at the hands of the so-called 'non-accepting' or depolarizers. It's ironic that such concern of loss is actually indicative of non-acceptance of self and attachment. From such a standpoint of 'self', I'd submit that one is not and can not be polarizing or even offering an atmosphere of polarization.

In short, 'acceptance' itself, like 'awakening', is a gradual process resulting from learning and may not actually be that 'holy' notion which seems to hold so much promise and to which many thoughts 'cling' at present.

[3DMonkey]

Intelligibly intelligent Zenmaster

In the good and the dramatic, I've learn/teached much over three days.

learned/taught?

[kycahi]

I really like Namaste's original post and all follow-ups. Probably most of us recognize the elephant in the room, but so what?

We don't have truly belligerent posts here, but some do reflect what might be a mix of confusion plus improvable, ego-driven attitude, to be charitable, and not a true STS troublemaker. In fact, I'm willing to think that going forward.

Acceptance, recognition that we all are mini-micro distortions of the One, and pausing before clicking the Post button should help us from today forward.

I look at the possibly trolling posts as gift tests of my would-be center--is it really there and is it firming up?

Hugs all around.

[Infinite Unity]

Being able to accept misunderstanding within others is both an exercise of the self and other self.

Often when trying to prove your point, it has nothing to do with the information itself so that the other person understands, but it is simply about showing how you are correct. This is domination. It becomes a battle of intellect/ego. Being a Leo, long ago I learned to stop trying to prove myself, and it was such a relief letting go of always having to be right and be understood. One of Ra's central philosophies is to not teach where understanding isn't sought. This isn't to say that we shouldn't try to get to the root of a discussion, but at some point, just agree to disagree. The key is that if you encounter something negative, you accept it within yourself instead of trying to fight it. If you feel someone is being negative or you don't like what they said, and you react to it negatively, that is your misstep as much as it is theirs. You ultimately choose how you let something affect you.

All our problems in here could be alleviated by understanding, and the consideration of others.

I have a feeling that as wise wanderers, this is a typical issue..because we want to share and make people understand our perspective. There's no point in trying to force it on someone though, because understanding isn't achieved then.

In this way, instead of going on and on and on, you simultaneously accept the other self and stop trying to project the self dominantly. And if you do eventually prove your point, guess what? No one cares!

Haha! Guess what!?!? No one even cares son!