The Hunger Games

[βαθμιαίος]

It sounded pessimistic because it wasn't qualified. If some are doing the work, then do you still think the technology is beyond reach?

[zenmaster]

It sounded pessimistic because it wasn't qualified. If some are doing the work, then do you still think the technology is beyond reach?

I never said (or thought) the tech was beyond reach in the first place, regardless of individuals working on it. Again, the metaphysical principles involved reflect the collective distortions. It has not been possible, historically, due to those patterns overwhelmingly denying some aspect of self combined with lack of honest interest or progress in removing those distortions. Have you ever watched a DW video or read ATS threads, or other conspiracy oriented meme propagation machines (over the past 30 years now)? It's mostly nonsense, and the hand-waving serves as a 'placeholder' or 'energy black-hole' for entertainment and distraction purposes.

[βαθμιαίος]

Why focus on the noise rather than the signal?

[zenmaster]

Why focus on the noise rather than the signal?

Whatever imbalance screams for squelch.

[Patrick]

It seemed like a non sequitur - no context. I guess you don't think your question, in any way, begs the question of 'is something supposed to happen this year?'

You're right, it's definitely a non sequitur.

I chose to try to see things your way, instead of just replying to your post with my opinions. I saw no further purpose in just sharing my opinions per se, which is of little value to you.

So I'm now trying to find a point of entry where sharing would be possible.

I'm at a loss for the time being...

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Zen, are you trying to say that it's collectively our own fault too and not just because of the Elites? If so, I agree. There is no such thing as a victim.

[zenmaster]

Zen, are you trying to say that it's collectively our own fault too and not just because of the Elites? If so, I agree. There is no such thing as a victim.

I wouldn't use the word 'fault'. We literally create the conditions which promote or deny certain opportunities. There are certain patterns of belief and behavior which are actively reinforced (sincerely or dishonestly, doesn't matter one bit) which will promote or deny certain opportunities.

It's difficult to think outside of or individuate sufficiently beyond those inherited constructs (distortion complexes). It's less difficult to see how these patterns powerfully, yet unconsciously guide attitudes. It is our responsibility to aid in their balance just as it is an individual's responsibility to remove their own distortions. Collective and personal evolution works on the same principles.

[Patrick]

Excellent, this is very helpful.

[βαθμιαίος]

Whatever imbalance screams for squelch.

Ironic, because the reason I joined this thread is that I perceived an imbalance in your own posts.

[Lulu]

Zen, are you trying to say that it's collectively our own fault too and not just because of the Elites? If so, I agree. There is no such thing as a victim.

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"Victim" is the main shadow archetype that needs to be seen within ourselves and then can be seen in society as a whole.

It's a a higher formula to say there are No Victims, but unfortunately we live in an enslaved world. Go tell the kids in India who get their eye gouged out to be more sufficient beggars that their are no victims.

Compassion to yourself and others will go farther for change then Denial ever has.
Lulu

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It makes complete sense. People would rather b!tch and moan about someone else not giving them free energy (or rather, their vague, sci-fi or conspiracy tainted ideas of what 'free energy' is supposed to be), like a child crying over wanting something that wasn't earned, than to 'invent it' themselves. Bottom line is that it has not been possible primarily, and very simply due to society's lack of honesty. Taking responsibility for inner work always makes possible the complimentary outer aspect.

Society is not bitching and moaning about a lack of free energy, Free Energy has been SUPPRESSED. Society is kept too busy to invent each his own free energy, nor pursue the supressors behind it. It only has time to make use of the resources it is offered.

Your lack of openness to what is behind the scenes is going to make you more vulnerable then even those who, with good attitudes, are busy trying to make what is in front of them work as they raise their children and try to be decent citizens.

The only person I here bitching and moaning is you, zenmaster --and it's about others.

Lulu

[Patrick]

Lulu, my meaning of "there are no victims" is that those "victims" chose this victimhood archetype for this incarnation before incarnating.

[Lulu]

Lulu, my meaning of "there are no victims" is that those "victims" chose this victimhood archetype for this incarnation before incarnating.

na, I don't think so any more then a being would choose to come in and starve to death by lying in a trash can. Perhaps to live in physical they are choosing to take risks deliberately though...

What amazes me most recently, is the knowledge that spirits in the spirit realm can be in the same victimized place NOW as when they lived on earth. There is some interesting mediumship work that shows that whole groups of Egyptian Slaves were, until just recently, Bound to their Masters. The earth-guide through the medium, asked them why they were too terrified to stop raping and killing women and children as their Master demanded. As a response images were shown to the medium of how they were threatened with limbs being cut off and other horribly intense physical tortures. The earth -guide, then explained through the medium to them, if they say NO and would instead be prepared to die, that the only thing that would happen to them, is that they would move into the next sphere. No one dared to do except finally one stepped up. When he disappeared from that dimension the others were shocked, but then they also became willing to risk their "lives" and did move out of that realm.

What comes to mind also, is something from Hidden_Hand about the duties to the Creators. It was something to the effect of the (lower dimensional) God testing his obedient ones with the Tree of Knowledge, then he made an agreement with the rebellious ones, the Fallen Angels that as some sort of penance they have to be inherently evil to "help" humans to stimulate growth in order to ever be allowed to return "home".

I find it interesting that one powerful Entity in particular, whose basis is rebellion, is STILL in the belief that they must DO what was agreed upon with that Creator to move beyond it. The real phycopath is That God, and as always, things were twisted. The way for that entity to move beyond that is NOT to do what it has been told it's duty is.

The Negative beings have a stuck-belief that is not so different then the Egyptian Slave example above. They are sensitive to being threatened with loss of their own Soverignity, Ironically the very thing they have given away to this one "father" Creator. Just as no grown child need to commune with an abusive parent any more, the same is true for them if they can find the courage to trust. Moving out of the god-construct universe naturally.

Lulu

[zenmaster]

It only has time to make use of the resources it is offered.

And you call me pessimistic?

[Lulu]

It only has time to make use of the resources it is offered.

And you call me pessimistic?

Thank you, yes I can be quite good at facing all that is important to know.
Lulu