Sugar Makes You Dumb

[Tenet Nosce]

Your mistake is thinking that I'm objecting. I'm asking some questions. I don't mean to be contrarian or antagonistic but I do mean to ask some Pointed Questions.

Got it.

What is the logic? I don't see how trusting that All is Well is logical, I guess it depends a great deal on your premises.

All logical conclusions are built up from premises. In this case, the premise is that "All is One".

I literally want to know how you guys reconcile it all. On one hand you talk about the importance of trusting scientific elites and then on the other hand you are here... on the Law of One forum... there seems to be an inconsistency.

I would recommend you begin by identifying where your own projections are in the conversation. Where did I say it was "important to trust scientific elites"?

But intuitive scientists have no respect for evidence. They just believe s*** that resonates, cherry pick some evidence, and call it "proved" -- see David Wilcock, Free Energy people, that Proctor & Gamble guy from Thrive, yossarian, etc. These are people who consider themselves intuitive scientists but really they are just pseudoscientists.

Oh no, LOL. Those people aren't scientists! I mean real live scientists (that conduct scientific experiments and publish them in journals) who use their intuition to identify premises.

So do you think the Ra material supports logical thinking?

Yes.

If so, why does it suggest you only trust things that are resonant?

It doesn't.

[Monica]

hey, acid ain't all bad. If you imbibe enough minerals, the body can balance out acidic conditions.

Impossible if one drinks sodas or sports drinks. Plus, refined foods are devoid of minerals.

---

I really tried to cut out meat and eat only high alkaline but I felt sick and weak for the 2 weeks I did it. I felt mentally drained as well and it felt like I was to un-grounded. Not to mention I felt like crap in the gym.

I have pretty much cut everything bad out except for meat and mars bars lol.

Probably detox. Also sugar can do that. Try cutting out the sugar too, and replace the meat with something substantial.

[Tenet Nosce]

Probably detox.

Or a protein deficiency. The liver cannot detox without sufficient protein to make its detox enzymes. Could be that those symptoms resulted from a shift in the body toward a more catabolic and inflammatory state, as it attempts to recover protein by cannibalizing muscle tissue. If that were true, it would be a bummer as a result in lower muscle mass would decrease the body's ability to metabolize sugar. In turn, higher sugar levels further increase inflammation and results in detox enzymes wearing out faster, thus increasing the body's need for protein to replace them.

Kind of a vicious cycle that could emerge from something like that!

replace the meat with something substantial.

Suggestions?

[Monica]

Probably detox.

Or a protein deficiency.

No way. Not in 2 weeks.

The liver cannot detox without sufficient protein to make its detox enzymes.

People fast and detox all the time.

replace the meat with something substantial.

Suggestions?

http://www.markusrothkranz.com/muscledvd...ledvd.html

See videos from this dvd on youtube.

[Tenet Nosce]

No way. Not in 2 weeks.

Why not?

People fast and detox all the time.

Yes, they do. Why do you think some get better results than others?

http://www.markusrothkranz.com/muscledvd...ledvd.html

See videos from this dvd on youtube.

Let's pretend I'm lazy and don't want to spend time watching videos. Plus let's imagine I can never decide which ones are the right ones. Say, for example, I find myself drawn to cute bubbly skinny raw food chicks who tell me it is good to eat 10 pounds of fruit a day while I abstain from meat. I find my orange and yellow chakras resonate with their vibes.

Or let's say I am currently eating about 8 ounces of meat a day, and I blindly believe in those "scientific elites" who tell me this is how much my body needs. What can I eat instead to maintain the same level of protein intake?

[Cyan]

What is the logic? I don't see how trusting that All is Well is logical, I guess it depends a great deal on your premises.

All logical conclusions are built up from premises. In this case, the premise is that "All is One".

This resonated:

Let me open what I felt:

While the outcome of all is one might not be logical(outcome unknown until checked), all is one is not the outcome, it is the premises you use to reach the outcome, not the outcome itself. IF its true or not is impossible to say if there is a veil. Right now it seems true that all really is one as observed through the various physical/metaphysical truths such as echo/karma/spin and so on.

So. If we assume that the logical premises is that all is one, the next logical step is to divide that truth into ways of acting.

IF you call for your mind to create an another self, and you are honest with the other self, then you will see them as useful, kind of like AI's on legs. IF you are dishonest, you will see them as uselles (require more energy than not having them at all).

Honest, open love for yourself and a desire to actually improve your lot and you will be surrounded by real souls in a real world

Deceitful closed love for anyone, other or self, and no real desire to improve your lot and you will be surrounded by mirrors.

All is one is the start of the journey, beyond that I Dont think anyone can say because it isnt written down yet. Once again, salt is recommended as with all my opinions.

[Monica]

Or let's say I am currently eating about 8 ounces of meat a day, and I blindly believe in those "scientific elites" who tell me this is how much my body needs. What can I eat instead to maintain the same level of protein intake?

Sorry, sprained wrist, can't type much. Info readily available in internet. Point is don't just 'cut out meat' but get educated. Cause of weakness isn't lack of meat, but poor diet in general (candy etc) and lack of replacement for meat.

[Cyan]

poor diet consists mostly of self hate with a sprinkling of binge eating.

[Patrick]

...Once again, salt is recommended as with all my opinions.

I like salt.

[Cyan]

I like white bread, olive oil, cheese melted, you add various green leaves and a slice of bacon and salt the bacon HEAVILY and then have a competition with your bladder on if you can get to a 1:1 urine production after all the water you have to drink!

Salt isnt whats bad, its salt combined with not enough water, or so i heard.

[Tenet Nosce]

Salt isnt whats bad, its salt combined with not enough water, or so i heard.

Or with other minerals. The saltiness we taste in salt is due to the presence of sodium. However there are three other macrominerals- potassium, calcium, and magnesium, which work directly in conjunction with sodium to maintain balance in the body. Unfortunately, the presence of these other minerals in food does not create such a profoundly pleasurable taste sensation as sodium, and to an undeveloped palate may even be perceived as displeasurable.

If there is too much sodium in the body relative to the other macrominerals, this will result in greater urine output as the excess sodium is eliminated. Drinking more water may help, in a sense, to "balance" this out. However it doesn't address the underlying issue, and since the other macrominerals are always lost, to some degree, in the urine, simply drinking more water in order to help eliminate the excess sodium could result in a further deficiency in the other macrominerals.

One of the simplest and healthful ways to increase intake of potassium, calcium, and magnesium is to eat more dark leafy green vegetables, such as kale, collards, mustard greens, beet greens, etc. I like them lightly steamed and dressed with 1 tablespoon of a fatty substance (like olive oil or coconut oil, but even bacon fat will work) and 1 tablespoon of something slightly acidic (like apple cider vinegar or lemon juice). In addition to rounding out the bitterness of the greens, this will help to make those macrominerals more bioavailable to the body. Then, add just a pinch of sea salt!

Oh, and dark leafy greens are very "alkalinizing" to the body. Precisely because they are so high in these particular minerals.

---

Or let's say I am currently eating about 8 ounces of meat a day, and I blindly believe in those "scientific elites" who tell me this is how much my body needs. What can I eat instead to maintain the same level of protein intake?

Sorry, sprained wrist, can't type much. Info readily available in internet. Point is don't just 'cut out meat' but get educated. Cause of weakness isn't lack of meat, but poor diet in general (candy etc) and lack of replacement for meat.

Youch! Hope you feel better soon! Have you had it looked at by someone? You could try making some miso soup with fresh ginger and green onion or seaweed. That might help with the inflammation! (Not the making of it, but the eating of it. LOL. Might wanna enlist your hubby to make it for you!)

[Monica]

Or with other minerals. The saltiness we taste in salt is due to the presence of sodium. However there are three other macrominerals- potassium, calcium, and magnesium, which work directly in conjunction with sodium to maintain balance in the body. Unfortunately, the presence of these other minerals in food does not create such a profoundly pleasurable taste sensation as sodium, and to an undeveloped palate may even be perceived as displeasurable.

If there is too much sodium in the body relative to the other macrominerals, this will result in greater urine output as the excess sodium is eliminated. Drinking more water may help, in a sense, to "balance" this out. However it doesn't address the underlying issue, and since the other macrominerals are always lost, to some degree, in the urine, simply drinking more water in order to help eliminate the excess sodium could result in a further deficiency in the other macrominerals.

Minerals in salt

http://www.celticseasalt.com/PDF/compare.pdf

Youch! Hope you feel better soon!

Thanks!

Have you had it looked at by someone?

Nah, just a sprain.

You could try making some miso soup with fresh ginger and green onion or seaweed. That might help with the inflammation! (Not the making of it, but the eating of it. LOL. Might wanna enlist your hubby to make it for you!)

Sounds good. Swelling is already down. Drinking the most potent anti-inflammatory!

[BrownEye]

Or let's say I am currently eating about 8 ounces of meat a day, and I blindly believe in those "scientific elites" who tell me this is how much my body needs. What can I eat instead to maintain the same level of protein intake?

I get too much protein from eating nuts. I also get too much fiber from the amount of Kale I take in each day. I should be eating more fruit but am not currently drawn to it.

Or with other minerals. The saltiness we taste in salt is due to the presence of sodium. However there are three other macrominerals- potassium, calcium, and magnesium, which work directly in conjunction with sodium to maintain balance in the body.

You should try Ormus minerals sometime. An alchemical concoction from sea salt. Experiments have shown similarities to the energy output of Orgonite, along with detox and freeze tolerance. Also better connection to your guide system/dream state etc.

[BrownEye]

[yossarian]

what is wrong with artificial color?

---

What is the logic? I don't see how trusting that All is Well is logical, I guess it depends a great deal on your premises.

All logical conclusions are built up from premises. In this case, the premise is that "All is One".

How did you choose that as a premise? It seems really unscientific. If your science is based on unscientific premises, how scientific is it really? I'm trying to understand how you can be such an atheist scientist while still believing in the Ra Material.

You're like one of the Christians who professes faith in Christ but then never actually does anything the Bible says and you just trust in science. For all intents and purposes, why aren't you an atheist?

From my vantage point as an outsider, what is the difference between you and an atheist? Do you believe in an incomprehensible One Infinite Creator beyond all possibly understanding? Why won't you answer my direct yes/no questions about God etc?

I literally want to know how you guys reconcile it all. On one hand you talk about the importance of trusting scientific elites and then on the other hand you are here... on the Law of One forum... there seems to be an inconsistency.

I would recommend you begin by identifying where your own projections are in the conversation. Where did I say it was "important to trust scientific elites"?

You constantly tell us to trust scientific elites such as yourself. You talked about having a society where the elites rule.

But intuitive scientists have no respect for evidence. They just believe s*** that resonates, cherry pick some evidence, and call it "proved" -- see David Wilcock, Free Energy people, that Proctor & Gamble guy from Thrive, yossarian, etc. These are people who consider themselves intuitive scientists but really they are just pseudoscientists.

Oh no, LOL. Those people aren't scientists! I mean real live scientists (that conduct scientific experiments and publish them in journals) who use their intuition to identify premises.

So... giant understatement here.

What does "use their intuition to identify premises" mean?

So do you think the Ra material supports logical thinking?

Yes.

If so, why does it suggest you only trust things that are resonant?

It doesn't.

[/quote]

This is just completely contradictory to the Ra material I read. It's goes on endlessly about resonance, faith, paradox, and how logical thinking is flawed. Or at least that was how I interpreted it and how it seems most have interpreted it. The Ra Material says you should not worry about controlling everything, you should not obey your logic, rather you should trust in faith and let the universe guide you. You should make the journey from head to heart, stop thinking with your head, and start feeling with your heart. What good is intelligence and thought when we have faith, resonance, and a One Infinite Creator who determines our lives? Our lives are mainly determined by Karma and pre-incarnational contracts, and our role on Earth is to live in love and compassion, recognizing that we cannot know anything, that we cannot control anything, that All is One, that All is Perfect. Our role is only to serve others in abiding faith with unconditional love and uncomplaining service.

[Tenet Nosce]

Our role is only to serve others in abiding faith with unconditional love and uncomplaining service.

Thanks for the reminder- kind of makes it silly to continue with this thread now.

[yossarian]

Our role is only to serve others in abiding faith with unconditional love and uncomplaining service.

Thanks for the reminder- kind of makes it silly to continue with this thread now.

Why? Is there some joke I'm not getting?

You completely ignore all my questions. I answered your interrogation with sincerity and effort. I'm trying to understand your take on the material and it seems like you're mocking me.

[Tenet Nosce]

I'm trying to understand your take on the material and it seems like you're mocking me.

I had actually had a whole response typed out to your post, and then when I came to this:

Our role is only to serve others in abiding faith with unconditional love and uncomplaining service.

I realized that this was a really good point to make, and that it seemed sort of silly to be devoting much more time to a thread on sugar.

Secondly, I don't feel any particular need or desire to respond to some of your strawman arguments about why I'm not an atheist, or why I support rule by the scientific elite, etc. I didn't say those things. But more than this, I have found it rather fruitless to attempt to argue with people who make strawman arguments, for they know not what they do, and if I try and point it out, it is likely to result in someone taking offense.

Often times, it isn't even the person I am writing to who takes offense, but a third-party who feels the need to jump in.

But to address (what I think is) your underlying point- in my opinion it is most beneficial to avail oneself of all aspects of mind. Instinct, inspiration, intellect, intuition, insight. Or whatever else one might come up with.

I don't see the world as a battleground between intellect and emotion. I see it as an opportunity to blend the two into something greater. If we rely too much on thinking, we are in trouble. If we rely too much on feeling, we are also in trouble.

If one chooses to only believe in what is tangible and material, then their life experience is not likely going to contribute much to their soul, which exists whether or not they believe in it. This will set them up for some really rough times in life, whether or not they believe in spiritual laws.

On the other hand, if one chooses to navigate only through feeling, and casting the intellect aside, their life experience is likely to get hijacked by a third-party who sucks their life force from them. They are more prone to getting caught up in relationships with soul-suckers, emotional vampires, or cults, or becoming a mindless corporate slave. (Who loves their job, of course.) This type of life experience neither carries much value for the soul.

But are these two even opposite to begin with? In the one extreme we have a person who only focuses on pleasurable things, and in the other extreme we have a person who only focuses on pleasurable feelings. I see these two groups as more similar than different.

---

But what does this have to do with sugar?

What it has to do with sugar is that sugar tastes really good. Heck, the body runs on sugar. Everybody likes the taste of sugar. People like sweet stuff. And many are addicted to it.

The point is that we have other tastes on the palate: salty, sour, bitter. They are all there for a reason and a purpose. When a person disavows the sour or the bitter, and decides to only eat the sweet and the salty, they are on a sure path to poor health.

Much the same in life- when people go for only the "sweet" experiences or the "salty" experiences, but avoid the "bitter" and "sour" ones, they are in for a world of suffering, if only because when faced with the bitterness and sour experiences of life, they decide to suffer and play victim, rather than using these experiences to go within and find something of value.

Now I do think it is true that there are those out there who are manufacturing life for the masses so as to have too much of the "bitter" and the "sour" as well. And then, of course we all scramble to avoid getting caught with the hot potato. People are getting fleeced and taken advantage of left and right. But why? Perhaps it is because those doing the fleecing have that same attitude which says they just want the sweet and salty of life.

Only difference is they have more power. So they use that power to manipulate others into accepting more than their fair share of s*** from the universe. Then, every so often, a new group rises up and overthrows the people in power, and then sets themselves up as the overlords of all things sweet and salty. And this has been going on for about five thousand years now.

What is the solution? In my humble opinion, the solution is for everybody to accept the facts of life. Part of these facts involve that the human vehicle is a biological instrument which requires a certain amount of support and maintenance from its operator.

This means, that pouring in loads of sugar (whether natural or manufactured) without a sufficient amount of minerals, protein, and/or water, to process the sugar biochemically, is going to cause the vehicle to eventually breakdown. This is such a basic point of fact, that it really boggles my mind that anybody, anywhere, is arguing against it. Or that we even need to devote resources doing studies to prove this, or argue about it. Or moreover that even once such studies are done, they are met with skepticism and resistance.

[BrownEye]

, and in the other extreme we have the mystic, who only focuses on pleasurable feelings.

Wha........?

Not sure what kind of mystic that is lol.

[Tenet Nosce]

Yeah, that didn't make sense. I reworded it.

[BrownEye]

Ah.

Sugar high?

[Sagittarius]

hey, acid ain't all bad. If you imbibe enough minerals, the body can balance out acidic conditions.

Impossible if one drinks sodas or sports drinks. Plus, refined foods are devoid of minerals.

---

I really tried to cut out meat and eat only high alkaline but I felt sick and weak for the 2 weeks I did it. I felt mentally drained as well and it felt like I was to un-grounded. Not to mention I felt like crap in the gym.

I have pretty much cut everything bad out except for meat and mars bars lol.

Probably detox. Also sugar can do that. Try cutting out the sugar too, and replace the meat with something substantial.

Yeh figure I'll try again, I will be buying lots of almonds from now on, they seam to be the easiest alternative to meat.

[Tenet Nosce]

Ah.

Sugar high?

Lol... no too low methinks. No dinner. Just grabbed some nuts to munch on.

---

Yeh figure I'll try again, I will be buying lots of almonds from now on, they seam to be the easiest alternative to meat.

Nuts have about the same amount of protein by weight as meat. Cost is sometimes an issue, as meat starts around $2.50/lb and nuts around $6.00/lb. I found a big box of the mixed nuts in the shell online for about $2.50/lb though. Each kind of nut has a different nutritional profile, so it rounds out the minerals. Plus keeps it from getting monotonous! Beans and other legumes also contain as much protein as meat and are cheaper- starting around $1.50/lb.

[Patrick]

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/201...spain.html

...We add it to other foods, reducing nutritional value and increasing energy density, seductiveness, and palatability. However, none of those problems apply to whole fresh fruit, which is also rich in fructose and has been eaten in quantity by our ancestors for tens of millions of years. So is fructose really the main problem, or is it the overconsumption of low-nutrition refined foods in general?...

...We looked at bodyweight -- which is the Annals [of Internal Medicine] data that you’re aware of -- in each case there was no effect of fructose when it was isocalorically exchanged. There was no adverse effect on bodyweight, blood pressure, or uric acid. We do see a very consistent and strong effect on bodyweight when fructose is providing excess energy...

Here is the actual full interview: http://evolvinghealthscience.blogspot.ca...-john.html