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    Thread: Polarizing effects of food stuffs


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    06-24-2012, 11:00 PM
    I wanted to venture a look into the effects of food stuffs on polarization. Specifically considering the individual who is aware of the Law of One. Note: I am only considering the polarizing effects of an individuals diet. Take health concerns elsewhere.

    For instance, we all know of the horrible conditions of factory farming of animals. Also, of the detrimental effects consuming this food has on our body. Now, consider the fact that the people in the factory farm enviornment are the ones performing the STS actions, while the meat is simply a byproduct. The meat itself harbors no polarizing effects once the act is done, after all, the second density individualized consciousness inhabiting the meat has left it. In fact, you could even polarize yourself STO if you provided this meat to an Ethiopean in loving kindness who would otherwise starve to death, leaving his/her incarnation.

    Therefore, I posit that eating factory farmed meat harbors no polarizing effects on the eater, and in fact can provide an opportunity for growth if you can find it within yourself to have compassion for those other-selves which are so confused they impress horrible living conditions on the cows/chickens/etc.

    Now, one could argue that if you are aware of the farming conditions and yet you eat the products of it, you are perpetuating the system and therefore "supporting" these conditions. Are we not doing this everyday though? Buying shirts we know are made in sweatshops, using cellphones made in horrible facilities like Foxconn, and simply the act of using any form of money perpetuates our current system, making the lives of those at the bottom of society ever worse, everyday, fueling the American war machine overseas. Is the act of spending money attached to a polarity? Does the creator recognize these things we call "companies" and "stock markets" and attach a polarity to them? Or is polarity simply an individual occurrence in each instance of harmony/disharmony. If it is, surely a selection at the grocery causes no disharmony. And, surely the ingestion of meat causes no disharmony, since I'm not the one who caused the initial disharmony to produce this "lifeless" meat devoid of any second density consciousness.

    I bring this up because I believe the ingestion of food stuffs itself has little or no effects on polarization. This is NOT to say the act of PRODUCING food stuffs has no effect on polarization, only the INGESTION. With that in mind, the consumption of food stuffs is purely based on the preference of the individual, as there is no STO way or STS way to select food stuffs.

    I wanted to bring this up to show the relative unimportance of what you eat in terms of our purpose of being incarnate at this time, and polarity. Why concern ourselves with what other-selves are ingesting? Why not instead concern ourselves with the confused entities actually causing these atrocities to second density beings? This is an important distinction, as after reading some of the older posts here I can see a large amount of disharmony people are causing to one another over such an unimportant distinction as what they chose to ingest. The much more important thing, we can all agree, is helping those individual's who are so confused they cause these horrible living conditions to be impressed upon second density entities.

    After all, how many of us on these forums are factory farm workers/agents? My guess, Zero. And even if we were, we would be loved all the same. The choice of food is a preference, nothing else. Passing judgement causes nothing but disharmony in yourself.

    Thoughts/comments?

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    06-25-2012, 12:27 AM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2012, 12:28 AM by BrownEye.)
    Food has an effect on consciousness rather than polarization.

    But, it begins to have an effect on polarization when we become consciously aware of the system we take part in, since we have been shown valid choice.

    We can make a valid choice that polarizes to the positive, which is very easy. Or we can make a choice that depolarizes, since most of these same people lack the discipline to polarize to the negative easily.

    The path of least resistance negates polarity from what I have found.
    (06-24-2012, 11:00 PM)MichaelD Wrote: Why not instead concern ourselves with the confused entities actually causing these atrocities to second density beings?

    I think it is illegal to role play and place these people in a parallel position no matter how temporary or harmless.

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    06-25-2012, 03:23 AM
    (06-25-2012, 12:27 AM)Pickle Wrote: Food has an effect on consciousness rather than polarization.

    But, it begins to have an effect on polarization when we become consciously aware of the system we take part in, since we have been shown valid choice.

    We can make a valid choice that polarizes to the positive, which is very easy. Or we can make a choice that depolarizes, since most of these same people lack the discipline to polarize to the negative easily.

    The path of least resistance negates polarity from what I have found.
    (06-24-2012, 11:00 PM)MichaelD Wrote: Why not instead concern ourselves with the confused entities actually causing these atrocities to second density beings?

    I think it is illegal to role play and place these people in a parallel position no matter how temporary or harmless.

    What is foods effect on consciousness? As far as I know, food only effects the health of our physical complexes. Our eternal consciousness is separate from our current 3rd density physical complex. According to many channeled sources, and my own beliefs, the only thing that effects consciousness is yourself.

    Also, what do you mean by 'valid' choice? Just because you choose a certain food stuff does not mean you agree with or support what they do. You probably have been to the doctor, but do you support the medical establishment he works for which perpetuates chronic desiese and suppresses true cures? Do all Christians support the religious wars which have been fought and the rigid 'thou shalt not' rules they use? Do you support the near sweatshop conditions in which the computer you are reading this from was manufactured?

    You can see, just because a person utilizes a certain good or service does NOT by any means require them to support or agree with the moralities of the company. I believe this is an unecessary judgement, which is understandable given our 3rd density illusion and the highly emotional aspects of how certain 2nd density beings are treated.

    It is made clear that the ONLY person who can make the choice to polarize is ourselves. Nobody can polarize for us. Therefore, if The only food that is available to someone (say an inmate, as a thought process) is some 'bad' factory farmed meat, it is impossible for it to be a depolarizing action to eat it. For there is no choice present. This is a simple example to show that it is impossible for any food stuff to inherently be tied to a polarity. To further the thought process, what if I lied to someone and gave them factory farm meat which I claimed was a free range vegetarian fed cow nearing the end of its life? While I would lose polarity for the lie, it is impossible for the person who ate to lose polarity because there was no choice made available to them. Polarity can only take effect from a choice we make ourselves, always.

    Important note: again, I am talking only about the INGESTING of the food stuff, NOT the methods used to PRODUCE it, which indeed polarity is clearly tied to.

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    06-25-2012, 04:47 AM
    A very interesting thread, one that I was contemplating on making as well.

    I think that you have brought up very important points. According to my beliefs and my understanding of this matter, every type of food is energy in a form which you take in in the act of eating, and the different type of foods and drinks represent different acts, ideas, concepts.

    What you wish to eat is a quite good representation of what acts are you wishing (consciously or unconsciously) to take part in. For example, for many people, eating excessive amounts of red meat is a programmed habit, one that stems from childhood/parenting/peer pressure issues, and at one point in their lives, they stopped using the energy that these kinds of food give, and let it build up as fat in their bodies, messing up the system.

    It is interesting to look back at Bhagavad-Gita, for example, which can be called a distorted, yet quite high-level source on how a whole spiritual system views this. There, if your life consists of fighting for your life (aka. you were a soldier), then it is obvious that your fuel will be meat: it represents that part of the 3rd density dynamic. That does not mean you should be ashamed: the system recognizes that there are many souls here who are not jumping right into 4d, but want to experience the struggles of this density as well. And this is important: even at this day and age, the majority of our population wants to experience the struggles - and as many channeled source (and our perception as well) indicates, they will continue this experience into another cycle. Or we might as well, if we decide to do so, being nothing wrong with it...

    So the intake of lighter foods represents the need to stop building up that much muscle energy, that much outside movement, that much struggle. If one becomes to be a vegetarian yet maintains a lifestyle that demands certain type of activities, he will be struggling as he did not properly revised his whole system of being. I, for example, have this "easy", my problem came with still eating unhealthy food while sitting all day in front of a computer. So I introduced daily exercises and basically halved my intake daily - but that is not a decision that a factory worker or a soldier can make overnight.

    And last, but not least, I have seen many examples of people, happily living through their lives, smiling, creating homes and stable, true families while chain-smoking all day and still not having any pain or cancer, or eating so much meat and fat that just the thought of it makes my stomach tremble, and still live 80+ years. These examples show that how you live is much more important than how you eat. Unless you base your life around the idea of expressing change through dietary changes. That is a different life, with different importance on this matter.

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    06-25-2012, 09:50 AM
    (06-24-2012, 11:00 PM)MichaelD Wrote: ...Are we not doing this everyday though? Buying shirts we know are made in sweatshops, using cellphones made in horrible facilities like Foxconn, and simply the act of using any form of money perpetuates our current system, making the lives of those at the bottom of society ever worse, everyday, fueling the American war machine overseas...

    Indeed my friend. Even in regards to factory farming, money is the reason of the conditions we find there.

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    06-25-2012, 10:13 AM
    (06-25-2012, 03:23 AM)MichaelD Wrote: What is foods effect on consciousness? As far as I know, food only effects the health of our physical complexes.

    Can you eat something that makes you unconscious? Would spending your life in a stupor have any effect on your consciousness? These are very simple concepts. This concept is everything to a young soul, and not as much to the preincarnative choice of an old soul.


    Quote:Also, what do you mean by 'valid' choice? Just because you choose a certain food stuff does not mean you agree with or support what they do.
    At this point in your evolution, would you eat the food a serial killer brings you, knowing how he gets it? Knowing that he is wandering about killing others to happily bring you your food, would you continue to eat it, or would you make a conscious choice to change what is taking place?

    You can replace food with money in this concept. You would probably accept money that someone hands you as a gift, but would you still accept this money if you knew the gifter just killed or mugged someone to get it?

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    06-25-2012, 10:17 AM
    Fasting really clears up the mind. I can tell you that. Smile

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    06-25-2012, 03:19 PM
    Well, as I read this I then went to the random quote generator and guess what popped out?

    Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

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    06-27-2012, 04:49 AM
    Everything is connected. Even a rudimentary grasp of science will bear this out, let alone an understanding of the Law of One.

    So how does one separate out from the whole what one eats and why? Is this one thing unimportant? Do your actions matter in one area but not another?

    Everything is important. If one values integrity, would that integrity only be for situations that are easy? If one values kindness, is that kindness only given to certain people? Sure, for the person who lives conditionally, who separates things in order to justify actions, who does not understand that all things are connected and all things are one.

    What you eat does matter. It matters in many ways. It matters to your physical body in terms of how optimally you function. It matters to your emotional body in terms of the choices you are making and why. It most definitely matters to your spirit which is connected to all things regardless of whether or not you are conscious of it now. It matters to the whole planet, the people, the animal kingdom, the plant life, all life here, which is all connected and always seeking balance, and always evolving.

    Money may be the motivation behind factory farming, and it may be comforting to shift the blame to the monetary system. But this is diversion. In fact, anyone purchasing factory-farmed meat in the grocery store is supporting the system of cruelty, and ironically, by using the same money one has blamed. You cannot put the blame on the money system, or the karma on the slaughterers, or the cruelty on the farmers, and yourself be free of culpability because you bought part of an animal already tortured, killed, cut up and neatly packaged. Having bought the meat, you are part of the chain of events. You are also part of the market which drives demand. No demand, no product.

    There is no way to separate producing food from ingesting it. As for other products we consume such as sweatshop shirts or cellphones, it's still choice. We may not have the ability to know everything about everything, but we can make good choices about the things we do know.


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    06-27-2012, 11:47 AM
    You cannot consider this subject without addressing the situations, which all to often occur in our society. Lets take a look at Ethiopia. Lets say I just slaughtered 1000 pigs mercilessly and painfully after keeping them caged their entire life and feeding them the droppings of other animals (true of factory farming). Now I take this meat to Ethiopia and with it, feed 10,000 kids, allowing them to continue their incarnate existence and further seek the Creator. Will eating this meat affect their polarity? Indeed it CANNOT because there is no choice posited to them. They can either eat this mystery meat and continue their incarnation allowing them to gather the precious experience available during this time of harvest, or they can deny this mystery food and exit this incarnation, having gained almost no experience. This is a very simple example, and one that roughly 1 Billion of the souls incarnate on this planet could/have/will experience in their lifetime. Also, what about the meat packagers, who cannot find other employment in this unstable economy, but must provide for their family? What about the clerk at the cash register who checks you out? What about the server at the restaurant?

    Now lets take it a step further. Any meat is ONLY a collection of elements in such and such a way as to provide sustenance. There is no consciousness left in meat above that which is present in all elements and minerals. There is no 'bad' polarity mingling in the meat, waiting to be absorbing by whosoever eats it. Indeed, how could there be? The only difference between 'good' free range vegan fed meat and 'bad' factory farm meat is the elements present in the meat. Therefore, if you wish to posit that some food stuffs is 'good' and others 'bad', you are saying our polarity is affected by the simple use/ingestion of any 1-d or 2-d entities. Does a chair have polarity? If i sit in a chair made by Charles Manson, during his killing sprees, am I losing polarity? These are the questions you MUST answer if you posit that food stuffs itself has an inherent polarity.

    These distortions arise from two things, I believe:
    1. A deep compassion for the second density other-selves involved. So much so that it overrides the logical or wisdom aspects of the self. Recall that Ra stated that such compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. I might even guess that some of the people at the front of this issue are 4th density wanderers, as they are tempering their deep and burning bright compassion in the fire of love and have yet to learn the ways of wisdom.
    2. Judgement. When you tell someone that they are doing something wrong, you are judging them. The only product of judgement is disharmony. Also, each of us on these forums is aware of the results of using money and perpetuating this system as well as the factory farm industry. Therefore, how can you judge someone else on something like food when you, yourself, does the same exact thing for the monetary system/ cell phone industry/ etc? This is called hypocrisy and arises from ignoring that which you know within yourself. I would advise addressing yourself before you attempt to aid other-selves.

    Again, I reiterate that this does not pertain to the production of the food stuffs in question. I am deeply against the current methods of factory farming and the ways second-density beings are all too often treated in our society. However, what I am also against is people impressing their personal beliefs and compassion and judgements on other-selves to the point of causing disharmony in the form of hurting other peoples feelings, deconstructive arguments, and most of all, judgement.

    After all, there is no bad or good, no evil or just, no black or white. They are faces of the same coin, flipping endlessly through eternity. All is well, and all is one.

    Namaste
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    06-27-2012, 01:16 PM
    Diana, then we should stop paying our taxes? Because this supports the killing of humans. That money is used in big part by the military.

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    (06-27-2012, 01:16 PM)Patrick Wrote: Diana, then we should stop paying our taxes? Because this supports the killing of humans. That money is used in big part by the military.

    Taxes is the one part of my life I have not been able to reconcile. I agree that taxes are used for things I would never willingly support such as war (and that says nothing to money spent on covert agendas). I have been mitigating this problem for many years by donating money where I choose to people and animals in need. My new business has a business plan with a sister 501C3 whereby all profit will be funneled to do something good.

    I will openly admit to being a hypocrite here: I am not willing, as yet, to go to prison to stand up for my abhorrence of the taxation system.

    What do you do about taxes? And how do you handle the money system?

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    06-27-2012, 02:44 PM
    (06-27-2012, 01:54 PM)Diana Wrote:
    (06-27-2012, 01:16 PM)Patrick Wrote: Diana, then we should stop paying our taxes? Because this supports the killing of humans. That money is used in big part by the military.

    Taxes is the one part of my life I have not been able to reconcile. I agree that taxes are used for things I would never willingly support such as war (and that says nothing to money spent on covert agendas). I have been mitigating this problem for many years by donating money where I choose to people and animals in need. My new business has a business plan with a sister 501C3 whereby all profit will be funneled to do something good.

    I will openly admit to being a hypocrite here: I am not willing, as yet, to go to prison to stand up for my abhorrence of the taxation system.

    What do you do about taxes? And how do you handle the money system?

    Thank you for this reply my friend. Smile

    What I do is I'm preparing the replacement of the monetary system with the creation of this here: http://rbeportal.com/Home/About

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    06-27-2012, 03:57 PM (This post was last modified: 06-27-2012, 03:59 PM by Diana.)
    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: You cannot consider this subject without addressing the situations, which all to often occur in our society. Lets take a look at Ethiopia. Lets say I just slaughtered 1000 pigs mercilessly and painfully after keeping them caged their entire life and feeding them the droppings of other animals (true of factory farming). Now I take this meat to Ethiopia and with it, feed 10,000 kids, allowing them to continue their incarnate existence and further seek the Creator. Will eating this meat affect their polarity? Indeed it CANNOT because there is no choice posited to them. They can either eat this mystery meat and continue their incarnation allowing them to gather the precious experience available during this time of harvest, or they can deny this mystery food and exit this incarnation, having gained almost no experience. This is a very simple example, and one that roughly 1 Billion of the souls incarnate on this planet could/have/will experience in their lifetime. Also, what about the meat packagers, who cannot find other employment in this unstable economy, but must provide for their family? What about the clerk at the cash register who checks you out? What about the server at the restaurant?

    You are describing examples of varying choice. For those starving, there would be little choice. I believe Ra spoke of those beings recently graduated into 3rd density incarnating into situations and areas such as Africa where they align with the predator/prey energies (I am a terrible researcher and just spent an hour trying to find it, sorry). More choice is involved in the other examples.

    Let's take the meat-packer who cannot find other employment. Although it is still a choice, this person may feel forced to do this job to survive. Being in 3rd density, choice is key. So this person may eventually see that choice is there, and that there are ways of transcending victimhood.

    There need be no judging here. We may, as 3rd density beings, make whatever conscious choices we can given our circumstances and understanding.

    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: Now lets take it a step further. Any meat is ONLY a collection of elements in such and such a way as to provide sustenance. There is no consciousness left in meat above that which is present in all elements and minerals. There is no 'bad' polarity mingling in the meat, waiting to be absorbing by whosoever eats it. Indeed, how could there be? The only difference between 'good' free range vegan fed meat and 'bad' factory farm meat is the elements present in the meat. Therefore, if you wish to posit that some food stuffs is 'good' and others 'bad', you are saying our polarity is affected by the simple use/ingestion of any 1-d or 2-d entities. Does a chair have polarity? If i sit in a chair made by Charles Manson, during his killing sprees, am I losing polarity? These are the questions you MUST answer if you posit that food stuffs itself has an inherent polarity.

    This is incorrect. Even mainstream science agrees that meat from slaughtered animals is full of hormones released from terror and fear. At the very least, you are ingesting these hormones physically which then play a part in your body. All things carry energy. Even the chair you mentioned may have enough attention directed at it to embody an energy signature. This is why talismans and certain "power objects" of Native American shamans and brujos are used: they poor attention into them rather like storing energy in a battery.

    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: These distortions arise from two things, I believe:
    1. A deep compassion for the second density other-selves involved. So much so that it overrides the logical or wisdom aspects of the self. Recall that Ra stated that such compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. I might even guess that some of the people at the front of this issue are 4th density wanderers, as they are tempering their deep and burning bright compassion in the fire of love and have yet to learn the ways of wisdom.

    As for me, I have no idea about my place in the scheme of densities. I am very intellectual as opposed to emotional. It is logical on every front to eat a plant-based diet.

    Animal flesh is not needed. This is the bottom line. So why eat it when it contributes to obvious suffering?


    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: 2. Judgement. When you tell someone that they are doing something wrong, you are judging them. The only product of judgement is disharmony. Also, each of us on these forums is aware of the results of using money and perpetuating this system as well as the factory farm industry. Therefore, how can you judge someone else on something like food when you, yourself, does the same exact thing for the monetary system/ cell phone industry/ etc? This is called hypocrisy and arises from ignoring that which you know within yourself. I would advise addressing yourself before you attempt to aid other-selves.

    I totally agree that everyone should first focus on their own actions.

    I am not judging. I am simply spelling out truth and facts as I see them. If you feel judged, that is your issue, and I am sorry you feel that way. I am only trying to share my perspective and information in a discussion forum, hoping to learn and evolve myself.

    As for me, I make conscientious choices all the time when I have any knowledge of a product.

    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: Again, I reiterate that this does not pertain to the production of the food stuffs in question. I am deeply against the current methods of factory farming and the ways second-density beings are all too often treated in our society. However, what I am also against is people impressing their personal beliefs and compassion and judgements on other-selves to the point of causing disharmony in the form of hurting other peoples feelings, deconstructive arguments, and most of all, judgement.

    I am glad to hear of your feelings about animals.

    As for opinions expressed here, how is it that only one point of view is "impressing personal beliefs" and not another? If there is disharmony, why is it the result of what is said rather than how it is received?

    Perhaps you might see this more objectively. We are all here discussing. There is no need to take it personally.

    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: fter all, there is no bad or good, no evil or just, no black or white. They are faces of the same coin, flipping endlessly through eternity. All is well, and all is one.

    Good, bad, evil, just: that is not at all what I think this about. I'm not sure why you see the discussion this way. In my mind, this is about sharing perspectives and widening awareness in order to evolve.


    (06-27-2012, 02:44 PM)Patrick Wrote: What I do is I'm preparing the replacement of the monetary system with the creation of this here: http://rbeportal.com/Home/About

    Cool site and idea. I will explore this further. Thanks. Smile
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    (06-27-2012, 03:57 PM)Diana Wrote: This is incorrect. Even mainstream science agrees that meat from slaughtered animals is full of hormones released from terror and fear. At the very least, you are ingesting these hormones physically which then play a part in your body. All things carry energy. Even the chair you mentioned may have enough attention directed at it to embody an energy signature. This is why talismans and certain "power objects" of Native American shamans and brujos are used: they poor attention into them rather like storing energy in a battery.

    Allow me to reiterate that in this thread we are discussing polarization. Polarization has nothing to do with energies or hormones or anything like that. It is simply a choice. Keeping that in mind, restate your opinion on this subject? As I said, the elements in different food stuffs differs, however they carry no polarization. Polarization cares not for the health of our bodies. As Bashar says, each of our health is perfect.

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    06-27-2012, 05:07 PM
    (06-27-2012, 04:46 PM)MichaelD Wrote: Allow me to reiterate that in this thread we are discussing polarization. Polarization has nothing to do with energies or hormones or anything like that. It is simply a choice. Keeping that in mind, restate your opinion on this subject? As I said, the elements in different food stuffs differs, however they carry no polarization. Polarization cares not for the health of our bodies. As Bashar says, each of our health is perfect.

    As I said earlier, I think all things are connected. If one makes a choice to eat a food, whatever that foods is will affect polarization, because the components of the choice include choosing that food and what it is.


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    06-27-2012, 05:27 PM
    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: this does not pertain to the production of the food stuffs

    It's all about the production. That's the whole point. Eating doesn't polarize. Contributing to cruel production is what polarizes.


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    06-27-2012, 07:24 PM (This post was last modified: 06-27-2012, 07:25 PM by Oldern.)
    (06-27-2012, 05:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:
    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: this does not pertain to the production of the food stuffs

    It's all about the production. That's the whole point. Eating doesn't polarize. Contributing to cruel production is what polarizes.

    Maybe that is why it is possible to be absolutely positive on a lot of areas, and still retain some so-called "flaws" in others. Hence the much-used "51%" requirement number.
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    06-27-2012, 08:13 PM
    It looks like 51% would be 51% of your conscious choices aligning with positive.

    As it is, most do not make conscious choices because they only follow what they are taught. On top of that they have resistance to change because of the belief that was formed from the reality taught to them.

    This applies to the whole spectrum of our experience.

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    06-29-2012, 02:47 AM
    (06-27-2012, 11:47 AM)MichaelD Wrote: You cannot consider this subject without addressing the situations, which all to often occur in our society. Lets take a look at Ethiopia. Lets say I just slaughtered 1000 pigs mercilessly and painfully after keeping them caged their entire life and feeding them the droppings of other animals (true of factory farming). Now I take this meat to Ethiopia and with it, feed 10,000 kids, allowing them to continue their incarnate existence and further seek the Creator. Will eating this meat affect their polarity? Indeed it CANNOT because there is no choice posited to them. They can either eat this mystery meat and continue their incarnation allowing them to gather the precious experience available during this time of harvest, or they can deny this mystery food and exit this incarnation, having gained almost no experience.


    "Why is It not possible to take a reading on a negro?"

    Edgar Cayce: "For the same reason that it would be impossible to teach a dog to talk" (3744-1). Cayce went on to describe negroes as being lower in vibration or soul-evolution.
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    Kryon
    (why no blacks in metaphysical?)
    The second reason is perhaps politically incorrect in your culture to speak of, but Kryon is not of your culture. Many of you are in survival mode due to sustained second-class citizenship you experience from birth. This causes despair, poverty, and a shift to crime among many due to despondency over life and a need to survive in a system that does not honor you. When a Human is consumed with survival in a difficult environment, they don’t have time or a desire for introspection or a search to better themselves spiritually. All their time is spent spinning within the challenges they have, many of which they assume to be their plight, many of which they have created themselves.
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    Ghandi
    “Only a degree removed from the animal.”
    “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.” - Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)
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    Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

    Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.

    As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.

    During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.

    Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.

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    If these Ethiopians are one incarnation out of the animal world, why is it a precious experience to have a meal? Would you feed an Ethiopian to me if I was starving? What is the difference to you? Just the shell? Because they can talk?

    I find the difference to be personal awareness. I see the Ethiopian as my ancestor. Some of the Ethiopians may see an animal as their ancestor. I will not eat an Ethiopian for the same reason I will not eat an animal.

    A starving person that eats "mystery" food will not affect polarity. A person that knows exactly what their food is and has hundreds of choices available as to what modes of planetary suffering they choose to support will definitely polarize. It becomes a choice as soon as you are aware there is a choice. Most just sleepwalk around, and grab what "tastes" best to them without a care. Their mystery food might as well be an Ethiopian.

    Quote:1. A deep compassion for the second density other-selves involved. So much so that it overrides the logical or wisdom aspects of the self. Recall that Ra stated that such compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. I might even guess that some of the people at the front of this issue are 4th density wanderers, as they are tempering their deep and burning bright compassion in the fire of love and have yet to learn the ways of wisdom.
    Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.
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    When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

    That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

    Quote:2. Judgement. When you tell someone that they are doing something wrong, you are judging them. The only product of judgement is disharmony.
    If you tried to eat me I would definitely tell you that you are doing something wrong. And yes, i'm afraid I would then judge you.BigSmile

    Quote:Any meat is ONLY a collection of elements in such and such a way as to provide sustenance.
    So you include your own body in this assessment as well?BigSmile

    Quote:After all, there is no bad or good, no evil or just, no black or white. They are faces of the same coin, flipping endlessly through eternity. All is well, and all is one.
    No polarization if I was to BBQ you? BigSmile

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    06-29-2012, 10:38 AM
    Quite interesting to see how the near past saw some humans as so much lesser to them. And those saying these things are probably wanderers too.

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    06-29-2012, 02:41 PM
    It should be noted that these descriptions were directed at race/culture rather than individuals. Our own mental conditioning of what "race" means kind of flips the switch in our brain blocking any understanding of this.

    Beginning incarnations will be mostly geographical/cultural, not specifially attached to color. If you drop off a baby of any color in that same location it will be raised within those same boundaries with the same values. Those values are the preset for the incarnation. Not the color or race.

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