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    12-29-2013, 08:17 PM
    Ra makes it clear that we can learn quickly, or that we can learn slowly, and that there are various ways to empower (accelerate) our progress if that's what we want.

    they also make it quite clear that the main determining factor in speed of learning (the 'rate of progress') is the application of the Will; ultimately, how much we really and truly want to learn. We can make a pretense of wanting to learn, and underlying that pretense is an unwillingness to make deep and concrete changes to our life, and to acknowledge the depth of the inner imbalances. The Will, when correctly applied, can act like a sword cutting through our own self-deceptions and self-deceit, the little stories we tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better, rather than drilling deep into the painful experiences and willing to extract the 'light' (that is, understanding) from the experiences being offered.

    in addition to the passages on how to empower one's progress that they communicated explicitly, there are a few other things that seemed to be implied, or that I've found useful in progressing my own learning. I'll explain some of these in the following:

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    1) Recognition of Catalyst: this seems to be quite a big one. For the most part, when 'things' or 'experiences' happen to us, we remain in the mindset of treating it as 'external' and not as a true reflection (the mirror) back onto us. Ie, one could lose one's job, and retain the bitterness towards the company that they fired you/let you go, or they didn't appreciate you etc. In truth, there may be many reasons for losing one's job, and some of them may point to the opening up of one's life experience into more satisfying endeavours. And yet, if one treats the experience of losing one's job as this external event that is difficult and only a negative, the possible catalyst that is offering a new opporunity to experience life/work in a different way is not being recognised. That is a very direct example; others would include a gf/bf breaking up with you out of the blue, and not recognising the opportunity (catalyst) for learning something about oneself, etc etc.

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    2) Skills to Process Catalyst: this is quite a biggie, and one that involves quite some self-discipline and the desire to understand. Once the catalyst is recognised, what do I do with it? It's like a big steaming mess in my brain, causing all sorts of confusion and disruption, how do I 'fix it'?

    this is where the psychological tools come into play. This is about the self being willing to ask probing and uncomfortable questions. This is about the willingness to face the self, and to see the misunderstandings/misinterpretations that one may have had, and some of those misunderstandings/misinterpretations may go way back in time, and even reflect distorted biases accumulated in another lifetime. (karma)

    journaling is quite helpful here: just pour out your stream of consciousness, totally unregulated into a gmail draft, and afterwards, after maybe screenfuls of pages, you will start to see some threads of patterns to the disfigured and confused thoughts. What is underlying this? What is the root emotion? where is the projection against the other person? (ie criticism, condemnation, judgemental attitude). This is the data which one can use to analyse and see what the catalyst is pointing to deep inside the self.

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    3) Increasing Sensitivity to Catalyst: once you start getting a bit more skillful at processing catalyst, you will actually find yourself quite hungry for more, and wanting to uncover more and more inner distortions/inner balances. It is the drive towards a greater purity of self, because, much like a messy room that you've been avoiding cleaning for too long, the 'right' thing to do is to take responsibility for one's thoughts and one's actions, and correct any ill effects that it has on you and others. This is due consideration.

    the increasing sensitivity to catalyst shows itself as being able to register when disharmonious thought patterns start playing in the mind. This is not as easy as it sounds, as from years of growing up with an untrained mind (our society's default) we have a tolerance of wayward mental fantasies and imaginings, not realising that all these thought patterns are quite symbolic, and very much indicative of inner needs being played out in an imaginative space; those inner needs being things that can usefully be addressed in consciousness, rather than being left as just 'fantasies' or 'idle thoughts'. (in truth, there are no 'idle thoughts'; all thoughts have an origination and a causation; it is a fallacy to think that the mind 'wanders' with no purpose.)

    I think most will recognise what I mean by these fantasy/daydream scenarios. They will often repeat in the same way. But there is a meaning behind them, and when recognised for what they are, can be extremely helpful in pointing out the more subtle imbalances, imbalances which can be corrected before they take on the guise of a life event or physical feedback.

    we can learn from catalyst when it is more 'ethereal' or a finger pointing to the moon ... or we can learn from catalyst when it is a 'large board to the forehead' and a 'neighbour screaming in your face to turn the music down'. If we are self-aware enough, there is absolutely no need at all to experience the greater sufferings in life, if there is a willingness to learn from the lighter sufferings. And we all suffer - as there is none but the being who dwells in unity who does not experience fluctuations of pain, annoyance, mild frustration, self doubt, or minor anxiety when it comes to living one's life: it's part of the territory (and exquisite gift) of choosing a third density incarnation in mind and body. Here is the 'small candle' of limited consciousness by which imbalances may be addressed, by whatever catalyst we deem 'strong enough' to get our attention. If we pay attention (ie become sensitive enough) that catalyst needs only be gentle, and the wafting of a light breeze across a willing and receptive mind.

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    anyway, these are some of the things that I've very much brought into greater practice during the last 2 years, when I've had the privilege of being able to interact and participate on these forums.

    put into willing practice, it can truly be like putting the self through a thorough carwash; and one comes out the other side with bubbles in one's hair, but somewhat gleaming under the light of the sun.

    our time here is precious - we can learn faster or we can learn slower. The choice is always with us.

    namaste,

    plenum
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    12-29-2013, 08:35 PM
    Plenum after all this time, I've noticed you have a bias for working with negative catalyst, you might also consider positive catalyst as well. The "shadow" is both, after all. Both Ra and Jung discuss this aspect of our personal unconscious.
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    12-29-2013, 09:12 PM
    thanks zen. Yeah, I remember making a thread about the shadow, and how it contains both the positive and negative qualities of the self that have been rejected.

    so in my case, it would be an unwillingness to acknowledge some of the more positive traits in myself, and am still projecting this onto others?
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    12-29-2013, 09:30 PM
    (12-29-2013, 09:12 PM)plenum Wrote: thanks zen. Yeah, I remember making a thread about the shadow, and how it contains both the positive and negative qualities of the self that have been rejected.

    so in my case, it would be an unwillingness to acknowledge some of the more positive traits in myself, and am still projecting this onto others?
    Before there is projection, there must be some kind of identification which necessarily must occur due to lack of acceptance. The idea of working on positive catalyst (like negative) is to become more aware of our ideas. For positive ideas that'd be things like ideals - otherwise we can not ever accept what they are trying to indicate about ourselves. So not ever accepting what the positive catalyst is trying to indicate forces more of the same until lesson is learned and the mind must resort to inflation, exaggeration, putting things on a pedestal, unconscious morality, blind compassion, etc.
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    12-29-2013, 09:58 PM
    yes, I can definitely see how that is the case; that the 'ideals' I so often point to are very vaguely defined, and never explored deeply and given clear definition. It is just a 'hinting' towards some positive quality or idealised condition.

    thanks; I'll definitely turn my attention to that.
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    12-29-2013, 10:09 PM
    There is no speed, there is relativity of frequency. The frequency, in this case, referring to the feedback system of catalyst as it is utilized via input and output. I find this view helps me to more understand what "accelerated" growth really is.
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    12-29-2013, 10:14 PM
    (12-29-2013, 10:09 PM)Tanner Wrote: There is no speed, there is relativity of frequency. The frequency, in this case, referring to the feedback system of catalyst as it is utilized via input and output. I find this view helps me to more understand what "accelerated" growth really is.

    But esp. here in 3D, there is "speed". Ra uses the term and the term "accelerated" in the conventional manner as well.
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    12-29-2013, 10:25 PM
    Yes, indeed, defined by the "objectives" woven in to the 3D experience according to progress through the densities. However, the connotations of such speed are relative to experience so what is fast for one person may not be so for another, that is more what I was trying to get at.
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    12-29-2013, 10:31 PM (This post was last modified: 12-29-2013, 10:42 PM by Adonai One.)
    "Cease learning, no more worries
    Respectful response and scornful response
    How much is the difference?
    Goodness and evil
    How much do they differ?
    What the people fear, I cannot be unafraid

    So desolate! How limitless it is!
    The people are excited
    As if enjoying a great feast
    As if climbing up to the terrace in spring
    I alone am quiet and uninvolved
    Like an infant not yet smiling
    So weary, like having no place to return
    The people all have surplus
    While I alone seem lacking
    I have the heart of a fool indeed – so ignorant!
    Ordinary people are bright
    I alone am muddled
    Ordinary people are scrutinizing
    I alone am obtuse
    Such tranquility, like the ocean
    Such high wind, as if without limits

    The people all have goals
    And I alone am stubborn and lowly
    I alone am different from them
    And value the nourishing mother"

    - Chapter 20, Tao Te Ching
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    12-29-2013, 10:37 PM
    (12-29-2013, 10:25 PM)Tanner Wrote: Yes, indeed, defined by the "objectives" woven in to the 3D experience according to progress through the densities. However, the connotations of such speed are relative to experience so what is fast for one person may not be so for another, that is more what I was trying to get at.
    Ok, so you said there was "no speed" and then referred to frequency. So is there "no frequency" as well?

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    12-30-2013, 12:13 AM
    Kind of hard to explain what I mean, let me think... there is frequency, but frequency in the way I am considering it is not about rate, like a frequency rate or speed, but more like density in that higher frequency is more dense.
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    12-30-2013, 12:23 AM
    (12-30-2013, 12:13 AM)Tanner Wrote: Kind of hard to explain what I mean, let me think... there is frequency, but frequency in the way I am considering it is not about rate, like a frequency rate or speed, but more like density in that higher frequency is more dense.

    (12-30-2013, 12:13 AM)Tanner Wrote: The frequency, in this case, referring to the feedback system of catalyst as it is utilized via input and output. I find this view helps me to more understand what "accelerated" growth really is.

    Perhaps you could explain what accelerated growth really is from the perspective of frequency as density?

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    I will gladly after I have thoroughly crystallized the idea through contemplation, thank you for your questions as it helps me to make my thoughts more concise with what I am attempting to convey.

    I am not sure how to actually describe the "propulsion" behind such growth or growth in general. I see growth as the "recapitulation of the design", so accelerated growth is really more about "directness" as opposed to increased speed. It is like taking the straight, narrow path from the start rather than going the roundabout, scenic route.

    The best way I know how to describe this is through the efficiency of symmetry. Distribution is equal with symmetry but with asymmetry it is not. Symmetry is a 1:1 ratio which is the most direct form of self-interaction. The crystallization process of the entity is an organization process which happens between aspects of self. Symmetry is the equanimity of the mind, body and spirit. This is because there is even distribution of the will throughout the self. Assymetry causes the will to be weighted towards this or that aspect of self.

    I believe that the tools that Ra and many others offer us are designed to realize symmetry that is inherent in the self. The accelerated growth that results is due to the increased efficiency with which catalyst is processed through the self due to crystallization or regularization of the pathways of communication that exist as part of the self. This means that energy is able to be moved from one part of the self without aggrandizing any particular part because there are even pathways of distribution.

    I believe that it is this increased symmetry which allows one to entertain more and more of the vibration of light/love.

    Now the reason this all comes from the idea of frequency as density can be described by cymatics. If you have a concentric waveform, it creates circular geometries and as the frequency changes these geometries are made more and more complex and articulate, yet they still have symmetry, the symmetry evolves. However, this requires an even field so that the vibration can be equally distributed. If the fied is not even, the symmetry will be broken, energy will be disproportioned in parts and the efficiency of the communication of the totality will be dampened.

    To put it in to simple terms, the tools we are offered result in accelerated growth because they are direct. We must realize that the tools are no less finely crafted than the tool's capacity to do what it does. The reason I translate this as growth through frequency as density is because I believe awareness and conscious is directly tied to the matrix and it is the potentiator which the significator uses to distribute the intelligent energy of the self. The matrix of consciousness has a symmetry I believe which is how the "gates" to infinity are able to exist.

    This probably sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo rambling aha I think I lack the words to actually describe what I am intuiting, but I did my best aha

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    12-30-2013, 02:53 AM
    Building internal resources is very beneficial when working on intense catalyst. These are more integrated parts of self that help to provide more positive interpretations of catalyst or to provide the polar opposite interpretations when negative ones come up. If not, supportive friends to talk to or journaling as you mentioned or visualization techniques help. Safety measures like these can help during intensive work.

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    12-30-2013, 03:39 AM
    (12-30-2013, 02:53 AM)rie Wrote: Building internal resources is very beneficial when working on intense catalyst.
    Does this include where people manufacture spiritual "guides", or constructs to help them relate to themselves somehow when it is otherwise not safe to do so in a more direct manner?

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    12-30-2013, 03:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-30-2013, 11:44 PM by reeay.)
    Nah. It's a psychotherapeutic technique. If you have kindle I can lend you the book on internal resourcing. It's basically using visualization techniques to figure out more integrated aspects of self or positive introjections that one may not be so aware of. We may be conscious of a few such as the more mature perspective that can use rational thinking to help understand something. Depends on that person. But not manufactured guides.

    Will post a good book when I have access to computer at home.

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    Some good visualizations. Staying Well with Guided Imagery is good, too.
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