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    Thread: Suffering question


    BlueOnes (Offline)

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    #1
    07-19-2011, 08:41 PM
    In Bob Geldofs' book 'Is That It' he tells of a 3 year old boy whose intestines were falling out because he was starving in Africa. He died 3 days later. There was either a photo or it's so etched in my mind that I still see it from reading it 10 years ago.

    If I'm from a different planet or you are why wouldn't our fellow beings come to help that boy? I would if I was them.

    That little boys suffering should be heard piercingly throughout all universes until there's no more suffering.

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    BrownEye Away

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    07-19-2011, 09:52 PM
    The way I see it when we first start out our incarnations on this planet we begin in areas of suffering. That little boy may just repeat his life over again.


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    07-19-2011, 09:55 PM
    We have all been that little boy, it is that experience that allows you to say this now, BlueOnes. We are all One.
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    07-19-2011, 10:13 PM
    BlueOnes .... I'm sure someone more learned than I here can provide quotes directly from Ra or one of the other channeled groups studied here and I hope they do. Your question is one that's been asked as long as there's been compassion/suffering in the world.

    My initial response is only to say that as (perhaps) Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow, we ARE here to alleviate suffering on the planet - and do. You are in a position, now, to not only send prayers/light/love back in time (there is no time, afterall) to that boy as he was/is suffering in the body, but also send heart-light to his soul to ease the traumatic impact of the experience so it can be just 'experience.' If you are still compelled to ask 'why didn't someone do something?' your only real question, then, is to ask, 'why am I not doing anything now?'. This is not to say that you SHOULD do anything, just that you have the choice/opportunity to do something, and, if you don't, to examine yourself in the now ... a 'know thyself' opportunity!

    You are an infinitely powerful being of love/light. Even if you don't know that now, it can't hurt to act 'as if' and in turn, empower your self and those in your circle of influence in loving service.

    Offered in love .....


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    07-19-2011, 10:24 PM
    "they" do say repeatedly over various texts that they can't interfere with what we do on our planet, that is up to us. they are only able to step in when our actions affect the universe as a whole, such as a things that affect the planet itself (because they need its vibration to increase so that their own can). when humanity reaches a point where we can stop/ease the suffering of our own people, that is when we are ready to graduate. this is what our collective aim needs to be.

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    07-20-2011, 02:56 AM
    This says there is seniority in preincarnate choice, not just evolution.
    Quote:31.6 Questioner: I was wondering if there was some principle behind the fact that a sexual union does not necessarily lead to fertilization. I’m not interested in the chemical or physical principles of it. I’m interested in whether or not there is some metaphysical principle that leads to the couple having a child or not, or is it purely random?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is random within certain limits. If an entity has reached the seniority whereby it chooses the basic structure of the life experience, this entity may then choose to incarnate in a physical complex which is not capable of reproduction. Thus we find some entities which have chosen to be unfertile. Other entities, through free will, make use of various devices to insure nonfertility. Except for these conditions, the condition is random.

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    Brittany

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    07-21-2011, 08:20 PM
    This is from the May 3 Quo meditation in 1992.

    "Why is there suffering by those starving in foreign lands? We may suggest that there are many who have chosen to incarnate for the purpose of suffering as intensely and as long as possible before the inevitable death by starvation or illness, not only in less technologically oriented cultures, but also within each culture, for within the culture which is your own there are those with short, hungry and brutal lives. These, may we say, Christ-like entities are pursuing a beautiful, poignant and terrible service, absorbing the deadening, merciless, pitiless and ruthless service-to-self distortions which have caused motives of greed, revenge and slaughter to erupt into actions against groups of other selves through, what you call, your history."

    and

    "Why does the infinite Creator place you so firmly and decisively in a milieu of loss, ordeal, limitation and eventual dying? We ask you, what gets your attention: the perfect halcyon day or the moment of toxin, the alarm, the adrenaline and the sudden movement to cope, to save, to defend? Each of you has two minds: one will keep you in this density forever; the other will evolve. Your two minds sometimes have very different ways of dealing with circumstances. The first mind is the intellectual mind. Its soul purpose is to manipulate the environment in order that you may survive, find shelter, be fed and have comfort. The other mind is that mind best described as the “wise heart.” This heart’s wisdom is that portion of the mind whose roots move into racial, societal, planetary and Creator mind. It is this mind that is always and forever.

    The suffering, the ordeal of living, is specifically designed to grab the attention of the intellectual mind and then proceed to baffle it so thoroughly and completely that the intellectual mind gives up, and the thrust of inquiry moves to the heart. In the heart lies that beingness which gazes at this experience of third-density illusion and chooses, in faith alone, to be a part of the love—the good, if you will—of the personal, societal, planetary mind.

    There is no “why?” in the heart’s wisdom, nor is there any answer. The heart sees suffering and embraces it, for, to the heart, any entity who is thirsty is the Christ waiting for a drink. Any entity who needs clothing is the Christ waiting to be covered. Thusly, the ordeals become opportunities for service and are seen as challenges worthy of attracting one’s attention."

    I'd recommend reading the whole session...it is very good. http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0503.aspx

    My way of looking at it is that if we didn't suffer, we would have no way to comprehend the joy of *not* suffering. Without shadow, how can you ever realize how beautiful the light is? You don't realize what you have until it is taken away. I'm sure each of our souls makes the choice to acquaint itself with suffering at some point along the evolutionary trail, because it is the desire to climb out of suffering that drives us higher toward the light. If everything was just a utopia I don't think we'd appreciate the things we *do* have.
    As for why no one helped this child...I think a lot of times we overlook all the efforts that are being put out by millions of people to help this planet and its populace. Yes, there is still suffering, but the movement to help grows ever larger. There are countless people who do whatever they can to help, be it donating their time, resources, funds or just by praying and sending love. Plenty of people put their life on the line to help starving and sick people and people caught up in natural disasters, and they don't even get paid for it. My husband knows a woman whose leg was just broken while she crawled through tsunami wreckage in Japan, trying to help save people. Then I hear people talk about how "nobody cares" and now "negative this planet is". In my opinion this is a tangible reality of service being overlooked due to a strong emotional reaction. Yes, we still have a long way to go before the entire planet is joined in heart and nobody has to suffer, but there is a LOT of good that grows stronger by the day. If you help those suffering around you, you help the world. Mass movements always start with individual effort.

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    07-26-2011, 05:04 PM
    (07-19-2011, 08:41 PM)BlueOnes Wrote: That little boys suffering should be heard piercingly throughout all universes until there's no more suffering.
    I cannot make any excuses or reasons for humankind to tolerate this sort of suffering. Aside from karmic issues, soul choices etc. . . . it still remains that we as a species need to evolve past this kind of barbarism.

    As for intervention from elsewhere, it probably happens. But how can intervention change the status if humans keep doing the same things and operating from the same paradigms?


    Frankly, I have to keep these things at bay while I work to make any difference I can. I cannot, for example, volunteer to help clean up an oil spill, as much as I would like to, because I would want to die and leave the planet while seeing the animals suffering. So I do the things I can do now, and make plans for organizations and efforts to change the inequality. Every human should have basic needs met, and all life should be free to be.

    My advice is to focus on what you can DO to elevate the world. Action makes me feel less hopeless in the face of so much needless suffering.






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    07-26-2011, 05:50 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2011, 05:51 PM by Richard.)
    (07-21-2011, 08:20 PM)ahktu Wrote: This is from the May 3 Quo meditation in 1992.

    "Why is there suffering by those starving in foreign lands? We may suggest that there are many who have chosen to incarnate for the purpose of suffering as intensely and as long as possible before the inevitable death by starvation or illness, not only in less technologically oriented cultures, but also within each culture, for within the culture which is your own there are those with short, hungry and brutal lives. These, may we say, Christ-like entities are pursuing a beautiful, poignant and terrible service, absorbing the deadening, merciless, pitiless and ruthless service-to-self distortions which have caused motives of greed, revenge and slaughter to erupt into actions against groups of other selves through, what you call, your history."

    and

    "Why does the infinite Creator place you so firmly and decisively in a milieu of loss, ordeal, limitation and eventual dying? We ask you, what gets your attention: the perfect halcyon day or the moment of toxin, the alarm, the adrenaline and the sudden movement to cope, to save, to defend? Each of you has two minds: one will keep you in this density forever; the other will evolve. Your two minds sometimes have very different ways of dealing with circumstances. The first mind is the intellectual mind. Its soul purpose is to manipulate the environment in order that you may survive, find shelter, be fed and have comfort. The other mind is that mind best described as the “wise heart.” This heart’s wisdom is that portion of the mind whose roots move into racial, societal, planetary and Creator mind. It is this mind that is always and forever.

    The suffering, the ordeal of living, is specifically designed to grab the attention of the intellectual mind and then proceed to baffle it so thoroughly and completely that the intellectual mind gives up, and the thrust of inquiry moves to the heart. In the heart lies that beingness which gazes at this experience of third-density illusion and chooses, in faith alone, to be a part of the love—the good, if you will—of the personal, societal, planetary mind.

    There is no “why?” in the heart’s wisdom, nor is there any answer. The heart sees suffering and embraces it, for, to the heart, any entity who is thirsty is the Christ waiting for a drink. Any entity who needs clothing is the Christ waiting to be covered. Thusly, the ordeals become opportunities for service and are seen as challenges worthy of attracting one’s attention."

    I'd recommend reading the whole session...it is very good. http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0503.aspx

    My way of looking at it is that if we didn't suffer, we would have no way to comprehend the joy of *not* suffering. Without shadow, how can you ever realize how beautiful the light is? You don't realize what you have until it is taken away. I'm sure each of our souls makes the choice to acquaint itself with suffering at some point along the evolutionary trail, because it is the desire to climb out of suffering that drives us higher toward the light. If everything was just a utopia I don't think we'd appreciate the things we *do* have.
    As for why no one helped this child...I think a lot of times we overlook all the efforts that are being put out by millions of people to help this planet and its populace. Yes, there is still suffering, but the movement to help grows ever larger. There are countless people who do whatever they can to help, be it donating their time, resources, funds or just by praying and sending love. Plenty of people put their life on the line to help starving and sick people and people caught up in natural disasters, and they don't even get paid for it. My husband knows a woman whose leg was just broken while she crawled through tsunami wreckage in Japan, trying to help save people. Then I hear people talk about how "nobody cares" and now "negative this planet is". In my opinion this is a tangible reality of service being overlooked due to a strong emotional reaction. Yes, we still have a long way to go before the entire planet is joined in heart and nobody has to suffer, but there is a LOT of good that grows stronger by the day. If you help those suffering around you, you help the world. Mass movements always start with individual effort.
    Perfect Ahktu. Smile

    Richard


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