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    Thread: Help: Occultism and the Word


    Gribbons (Offline)

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    05-13-2011, 06:15 PM (This post was last modified: 05-13-2011, 06:32 PM by Gribbons.)
    I stumbled upon this article as last night, and other nights, I reached a level of intoxication where I was perceiving reality to be generating from my subconscious mind in a negative manner. Thoughts of life being a dream needed to be awoken from filled my mind with thoughts of throwing myself out the moving vehicle, as though none of this really mattered anyway.
    It was a semi-conscious perception of reality that I understood to be short-sighted and fear-based, but what made those feelings come into mind anyway? Can we, as spiritual beings, drift in and out of love and fear based consciousness that physically alters the life we're living? Like, going in and out of parallel universes? I ask this 'cause these times where this has happened I feel like Satan is real, and that intoxication (alcohol & marijuana usually) is a way for my consciousness to be dumbed down and "re-programmed" per se with fear. It's not like these feelings come out of nowhere though, it's like I'm living my fear, streamlining it, if you will.

    So I find this article, and some of it makes sense relating to what I'm feeling, but they are suggesting universal love, meditation, channeling and the 'subjective experience in finding God' and other Law of One teachings are false and demonic, and not in line with what God reeeally wants from us in life.

    I dont believe their claims, as though God is testing us here on Earth and that the ignorant, blindly obedient sheeple are the blessed ones in the end.

    Spiritual Drunkeness
    What is Occult


    I am scared though, as you may tell, since my consciousness went, say, over to the railing, looking down. I feel a little better now that I'm sober, but to think that all of these lessons and teachings are wrong, and unlearn them and submit strictly to the dogma of the church, or 'the Word', is to prove what I believe satan stands for correct: Ignorance IS bliss.

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    Unbound

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    05-13-2011, 06:50 PM
    You go where your focus is, and in intoxication our focus wanders.
    What they suggest is not incorrect, but it is not the path of the Law of One, all is just details for the choosing.

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    unity100 (Offline)

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    #3
    05-13-2011, 07:08 PM
    reel a while, and then start moving forward.

    discard the concerns/blabbering of a group of people who have put their trust in what different people from the middle east generated/written over the years.

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    BrownEye Away

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    05-13-2011, 07:18 PM
    If you are drinking "spirits" you prepare yourself for possession. It used to happen to me. I quit when I understood just what was happening.

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    Monica (Offline)

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    05-13-2011, 07:21 PM (This post was last modified: 05-13-2011, 07:25 PM by Monica.)
    Gribbons, I understand what you're experiencing! I was brought up Catholic, and shed the Catholic brainwashing for fundamentalist, born-again Christian, bible-based brainwashing.

    That is what it was. The extreme fundamentalist version of Christianity operates on FEAR. That is the clue!

    It took a whole decade for me to let go of the fear, after 23 years as a Christian.

    The websites you posted are classic examples of the more rigid, fundamentalist versions of Christianity.

    They offer a classic picture of the STS model: Fill people with fear, and control them. Tell them that if they venture out on their own and actually think for themselves, they will be in grave danger.

    Doesn't that sound like a cult? Those websites are saying anything 'New Age' is a cult, and yet they are the ones threatening with fear of 'hell' if anyone challenges of questions their bible-based beliefs.

    Quote:the occult involves humans by their own efforts and outside biblical means

    See? They say to stay limited to the Bible. But why? Think about it. Is not the Bible a book written by men, thousands of years ago? But we have been conditioned to believe it is the infallible 'word of God' or ELSE!

    WHO told us we must believe that way?

    More MEN.

    My suggestion is to give yourself some time to let your head clear. Weed can open doorways in your mind, and both positive and negative energies can surface. The fears were triggered by intoxication, but now that they have surfaced, what better time to confront them and clear them?

    I had those fears too, until I finally realized where they were coming from: from the religious programming I had been subjected to.

    We are here for you. Many of us have been thru what you are going thru, and we are happy to help in any way we can. No one on Bring4th will tell you what to believe. In fact, if you choose to accept the Bible, we will respect that! But I would encourage you to seek inward, rather than reacting in fear.

    Fear is never a good reason to make any decisions, unless you're being chased by a tiger. Wink
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    05-13-2011, 08:09 PM
    Years ago, a friend and I decided that alcohol doesn't release inhibitions, it creates an entirely different person. I am not a person that can drink only two beers. If I drink one, I'm drinking 6-11 more.

    I have not had a drop since January 1. I was just telling my friend two days ago that I am coming to realize that I'm not interested in "running into" that old alter-ego-drunk-monkey. I don't even remember what that guy is like, but it's like "eh, I'm not interested in seeing him."
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    05-15-2011, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 05-15-2011, 01:20 PM by Gribbons.)
    Thank you all. Helps to get that reassurance that I'm not "slipping away," or buying into something thats false. I actually feel like nothing can stop me but fear itself. I'm generally a very nervous person..

    It's kinda scary reclaiming personal power, breaking out of the shell the matrix places in our minds. It puts the responsibility on yourself. Something you can only do when you trust yourself with all your heart.

    They say the best teachers are the ones that teach to not need them anymore. Teaching self-reliance, trust and love, and to teach others in the same manner.

    I see how one gets to that point now. Smile

    I think the main idea that puts fear in people's hearts as far as religion go is assuming that god and satan are having a contest to win souls. Confused It's a scary idea to break away from. Obedience vs. personal responsibility/freedom.
    (05-13-2011, 08:09 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Years ago, a friend and I decided that alcohol doesn't release inhibitions, it creates an entirely different person. I am not a person that can drink only two beers. If I drink one, I'm drinking 6-11 more.

    I have not had a drop since January 1. I was just telling my friend two days ago that I am coming to realize that I'm not interested in "running into" that old alter-ego-drunk-monkey. I don't even remember what that guy is like, but it's like "eh, I'm not interested in seeing him."

    You know, accepting the darkness inside releases me from my addictions, like I don't need to drink and that's final, when I feel that way. but it also doesn't inhibit me should I want to drink. freedom of choice without guilt.

    like dave matthews sang "till i was slave and master at the same d**n time"
    Quote:accepting the darkness inside releases me from my addictions

    "One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious." — Carl Gustav Jung
    Heart

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    Spectrum (Offline)

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    05-15-2011, 04:50 PM (This post was last modified: 05-15-2011, 04:51 PM by Spectrum.)
    Gribbons Wrote:They say the best teachers are the ones that teach to not need them anymore.

    That is very true, Gribbons. The world is littered with false teachers, but when you've worked your way through a few false ones, it tastes so much sweeter when you finally come across a real one.

    From Idries Shah, The Sufi: Wrote:The false teacher will keep his followers around him all the time, will not tell them that they are being given a training which must end as soon as possible, and will not give them the opportunity to taste their development themselves and carry on as fulfilled people.

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    3DMonkey

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    05-15-2011, 07:35 PM
    I already told my five year old he better prep for a job soon and plan on leaving as soon as the law allows it Tongue

    I'm a true teacher.. j/k
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    05-16-2011, 01:37 AM
    (05-15-2011, 07:35 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I already told my five year old he better prep for a job soon and plan on leaving as soon as the law allows it Tongue

    I'm a true teacher.. j/k

    BigSmileBigSmile

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