The Original Thought

[Shemaya]

Hi everyone,

I need help for an important meeting I have coming up. I will be talking to someone about the original thought of love. This meeting is very important for my incarnational plan. Kind of hard to explain, but I want to be ready and confident when the time comes.

I would greatly appreciate any thoughts and insights from your hearts and minds and quotes from the Ra material so that I can study and also connect with Ra and Q'uo's energies to help me in this task. If there are old threads that you know of please post them here. I will also search. I am usually someone of few words and like listening and contemplating better than talking

Thank you so much bring4thers

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Here's a quote:

Latwii: We wish you to understand the utter simplicity in which we come. We do not have a complex story to tell. We speak one word and that is love. The original Thought that created all that there is, is love. This simple and consuming fire is the fire of creation, is the fire of change, of transformation and of infinity. There is no end to love. You may think of love in many ways. There are many words for love—in many languages. And many different words have been used by your peoples to attempt to express the plenitude of the original Thought, for love is all that there is. Thus, we are not only your brothers and sisters, we and you are one for we are love. Look into the face of the one next to you, my friends. You are seeing love

http://http://www.llresearch.org/transcr..._0104.aspx

[Spaced]

I've been thinking recently about the original thought and the one that seems most likely to me is "who/what am I?" since the entire function of the universe seems to be the creator learning about its own nature.

[jivatman]

From Isaac Newton's translation of the third line of the Emerald Tablet (Yes, THE Isaac Newton)

"And as all things have been arose from one by the mediation of one: so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tab...ranslation

[Siren]

The Original Thought is Love. Love undistorted; Universal Love at its purest. It is the Logos, Verbum, Theos—the Voice. It is motion, kinetic, vibration, sound, energy. It is INTELLIGENT (sentient, conscious, alive, aware) ENERGY. It is the FOCUS/Thought/Love that ideates, dreams, imagines, architects, designs, organizes, animates, articulates, creates, forms and transforms (constructs/destructs) EVERYTHING that is manifest, was manifest or will ever be manifest (i.e. the visible "stuff"—or light/matter). It is the very life-force, prana, ki (chi), psi that pulsates, vibrates through, and animates all things, all beings, all foci of consciousness (sub-Logoi/co-Creators) across all levels, dimensions, densities or vibratory spectra of Creation/Kosmos. It is electromagnetism, it is gravity, it binds/unbinds all things: radiation/absorption, exhalation/inhalation, repulsion/attraction—these being the eternal rhytms of the Creator/Creation, flowing ever outwards and inwards. It is the Heart and Heartbeat of Creation; the Breath of Life, from whence everything unfolds and folds back into, infinitely. It is termination/origination point. It is the Original Thought. It is Love.

[kdsii]

I've always wondered if the original thought was just intelligent infinity's self-awareness, and the will to 'enjoy'.
Mmmm....

[Ankh]

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

Threads about Original Thought on Bring4th:

Original Thought

One Original Thought

And good luck, sweety!

[AnthroHeart]

I like that Ankh. I had forgotten that the Original Thought was the harvest of all previous experience. This makes me think of the black hole that is the great central sun that coalesces into a single point and Creates the next Octave. All knowledge of previous octaves is retained and becomes part of the All That Is. This makes each successive Octave that much more beautiful and wonderful. Thanks for the quote.

[Shemaya]

Wow, just found this. This clears up some of my confusion, really defines how Ra is using the word love.

27.13 Questioner: Is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?
Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.

Primal co-creator, Love. If Love is a primal co-creator, that I would surmise that Light is also a primal co-creator.

This quote also clears up confusion about our common usage of the word love which Ra is saying is the activity of unity in its free will. So Love, the primal co-creator is the power that we use to be loving.

This quote is really helpful, puts what I know intuitively into words in a clear and concise way.

[Shin'Ar]

The Original Thought is Love. Love undistorted; Universal Love at its purest. It is the Logos, Verbum, Theos—the Voice. It is motion, kinetic, vibration, sound, energy. It is INTELLIGENT (sentient, conscious, alive, aware) ENERGY. It is the FOCUS/Thought/Love that ideates, dreams, imagines, architects, designs, organizes, animates, articulates, creates, forms and transforms (constructs/destructs) EVERYTHING that is manifest, was manifest or will ever be manifest (i.e. the visible "stuff"—or light/matter). It is the very life-force, prana, ki (chi), psi that pulsates, vibrates through, and animates all things, all beings, all foci of consciousness (sub-Logoi/co-Creators) across all levels, dimensions, densities or vibratory spectra of Creation/Kosmos. It is electromagnetism, it is gravity, it binds/unbinds all things: radiation/absorption, exhalation/inhalation, repulsion/attraction—these being the eternal rhytms of the Creator/Creation, flowing ever outwards and inwards. It is the Heart and Heartbeat of Creation; the Breath of Life, from whence everything unfolds and folds back into, infinitely. It is termination/origination point. It is the Original Thought. It is Love.

How do you define love Siren?

I think before we suggest that the First Thought was love, we should disable to semantic barrier by defining it.

In my thinking why would the First Thought of the Creator have anything to do with love? There was nothing to profess love toward. Nothing existed besides it, if it was the first of all things to follow. With that in mind the only thing to be loved would have been its self, and from what the sacred texts tell us, the Creator was somewhat confused as to its self existence, and has been seeking and establishing that self ever since.

Just curious as to what you thought was being 'loved' in the instant of creation? Something to think about a little deeper.

There are two ways to consider love; as a verb where love is the act of loving. Or as a manifestation of an action performed out of a loving attitude. It seems that you might be speaking of the latter. But again if there was nothing to love, that why would the First Thought be love?

It seems to me the it is more likely that the First Thought would have been one of awareness of Being. "I am, but what am I?"

[Siren]

Questioner: It seems to me from this that the sub-Logos such as our sun uses free will to modify only slightly a much more general idea of created evolution so that the general plan of created evolution then seems to be uniform throughout the One Infinite Creation. The process is for the sub-Logoi to grow through the densities and, under the first distortion, find their way back to the original thought. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Then each entity is of a path that leads to one destination. This is like many, many roads that travel through many, many places but eventually merge into one large center. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct but somewhat wanting in depth of description. More applicable would be the thought that each entity contains within it all of the densities and sub-densities of the octave so that in each entity, no matter whither its choices lead it, its great internal blueprint is one with all others. Thusly its experiences will fall into the patterns of the journey back to the original Logos. This is done through free will but the materials from which choices can be made are one blueprint.

Let us for a moment consider thought. What is it, my friends, to take thought? Took you then thought today? What thoughts did you think today? What thoughts were part of the original thought today? In how many of your thoughts did the creation abide? Was love contained? And was service freely given? You are not part of a material universe. You are part of a thought. You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. You are dancing thoughts. You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought.

The Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator has only one important statement. That statement, my friends, as you know, is “All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.

There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many.

[Siren]

The Original Thought is Love. Love undistorted; Universal Love at its purest. It is the Logos, Verbum, Theos—the Voice. It is motion, kinetic, vibration, sound, energy. It is INTELLIGENT (sentient, conscious, alive, aware) ENERGY. It is the FOCUS/Thought/Love that ideates, dreams, imagines, architects, designs, organizes, animates, articulates, creates, forms and transforms (constructs/destructs) EVERYTHING that is manifest, was manifest or will ever be manifest (i.e. the visible "stuff"—or light/matter). It is the very life-force, prana, ki (chi), psi that pulsates, vibrates through, and animates all things, all beings, all foci of consciousness (sub-Logoi/co-Creators) across all levels, dimensions, densities or vibratory spectra of Creation/Kosmos. It is electromagnetism, it is gravity, it binds/unbinds all things: radiation/absorption, exhalation/inhalation, repulsion/attraction—these being the eternal rhytms of the Creator/Creation, flowing ever outwards and inwards. It is the Heart and Heartbeat of Creation; the Breath of Life, from whence everything unfolds and folds back into, infinitely. It is termination/origination point. It is the Original Thought. It is Love.

How do you define love Siren?

I just did. All the various synonyms I employed refer to the same one concept. I seek to synthesize. There are no words to describe the Original Thought/Love for it is truly ineffable; yet the words I used were carefully chosen, and they are the closest approximations I can find to describe/define Love.

I think before we suggest that the First Thought was love, we should disable to semantic barrier by defining it.

I agree. And my attempt to define Love has already been offered. I kindly ask you to re-read what I just stated in the original definition, otherwise I would be repeating myself by saying the same thing.

In my thinking why would the First Thought of the Creator have anything to do with love? There was nothing to profess love toward. Nothing existed besides it, if it was the first of all things to follow.

Love is less an act than a BEING in itself. The Logos/Thought didn't love Itself, it IS Love. Then you, as I, within the body (Creation/Kosmos) of the Logos/Though/Love, as individuated foci of Love/consciousness, are gradually experiencing/realizing the One Love Which We Are. Without the Creation this would not be possible, growth, evolution, progress, experience, none of this would be possible.

Just curious as to what you thought was being 'loved' in the instant of creation?

Love was/is/ever will be Love. I do apologize Shin'Ar, but I cannot simplify it any further. Love is the BEING driving the Creation, the LIFE/Consciousness that runs through all beings, animate and inanimate, as they are called. In that sense, all entities are holographic portions/fragments of the One Love gradually realizing they are the One Love in its ENTIRETY. Again, this is the purpose of the Creation/evolution.

There are two ways to consider love; as a verb where love is the act of loving. Or as a manifestation of an action performed out of a loving attitude. It seems that you might be speaking of the latter.

I reiterate, Love is less an act than a BEING in itself.

I would perhaps simply suggest that there are VARIOUS degrees of understanding/experiencing Love. Simply put: the higher/inner the density, the more and more the evolving entity may grasp/understand/experience, or realize or partake of, the Original Thought/Love (for the higher/inner you are, in a manner of speaking, the "closer" you are to It; i.e. you are be-coming/realizing the Original Thought that you already are).
Just take a look at this planet's 3rd density; you will see "love" experienced/understood in a vast variety of different ways. One can love his/her favorite sports team or his/her brand new yellow corvette. One can love a painting or a film or work of art. One can love an object, an idea or another entity. It is all Love (in varying degrees of understanding, purity and intensity): the One Love experiencing Itself. That is why even those entities labeled as "evil" are acting out of Love, for they ARE Love themselves. Free-will also allows the possibility/opportunity of rejecting/denying/ignoring your very own truth of BEING, which is Love. There is no better or worse, there are just gradients of experiencing/knowing Love. This is what the Creation is about, this is the purpose of Creation: experience. Yet the One Original Love remains ever the same.

This Love I speak of is Love in its pure, undistorted essence, in the eternal state of alpha/omega, pre-Creation and post-Creation. EVERYTHING in the Creation is the experience of evolution; or in other words: the One Thought/Love experiencing itself through the manifesting medium we call light, in its various rates of vibration, or densities of awareness.

Yet behind it all, there is is this One Original Though experiencing Itself.

But again if there was nothing to love, that why would the First Thought be love?

Because Love IS. I cannot overstate the simplicity of this.

It seems to me the it is more likely that the First Thought would have been one of awareness of Being. "I am, but what am I?"

And that is Love. It is the FOCUSED Intelligence/Consciousness/Sentience of the Void/Plenum of Infinity into action (i.e. kinetic). This then results in the so-called Creation, through which the One Love experiences itself.

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Primal co-creator, Love. If Love is a primal co-creator, that I would surmise that Light is also a primal co-creator.

The same way the BODY is the creature/creation of the MIND, so too, is the Creation/Kosmos the creation/body of the Logos/Love/THOUGHT, which you may also call the Original Mind.

It may help to understand the Creation is the light, and the Creator the Love that forms this light (i.e. light is the manifestation/reflection of Love). Love clothes itself in this light (the Creation), within which consciousness/Love may be experienced in a gradual fashion (i.e. evolution).

The Source of one Logos/Love/Thought is the same Source of ALL Logoi: Infinite Potential. The Logos is simply a particular FOCUS/Thought of Infinity focused into a particular direction of experiencing.

Just gaze at the starry sky at night. All the foci of light you see are sub-Logoi (their light being the manifestation of their beingness as Thoughts/Logoi), yet beneath them all there is that infinite void/plenum of infinite space. You can see stellar bodies are born and die. Through light we experience temporality, change, growth, transformation. Light is the only material of Creation, and it is malleable; subject to change. Yet that black canvas of infinite space "beneath" the stars remains ever the same: it is Infinite Potential.

Thus, out of Khaos (the void/plenum of infinity) "sparks" Love/Theos. And this very action/kinetic generates/produces light, or the Creation/Kosmos. Thus Love is the Active Creative Principle; light is its material, or medium of experience.

[Plenum]

what about Original THOUGHTS?

I think this Logos remembered stuff from the previous octave.

[Siren]

Questioner: I would like for you to define love in its sense as the second distortion.

Ra: I am Ra. This must be defined against the background of intelligent infinity or unity or the one Creator with the primal distortion of free will. The term Love then may be seen as the focus, the choice of attack, the type of energy of an extremely, shall we say, high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in just such and such a way. This then may be seen to be an object rather than an activity by some of your peoples, and the principle of this extremely strong energy focus being worshipped as the Creator instead of unity or oneness from which all Loves emanate.

Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.

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And again, back to the original post:

Latwii: We wish you to understand the utter simplicity in which we come. We do not have a complex story to tell. We speak one word and that is love. The original Thought that created all that there is, is love.

[Ankh]

Primal co-creator, Love. If Love is a primal co-creator, that I would surmise that Light is also a primal co-creator.

Hi sweety,

in my understanding Light (being the third distortion) is created by Love.

The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

The first distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the second distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light.

...love which Ra is saying is the activity of unity in its free will.

I love how you put it here!

[Shemaya]

Yes, Ankh, thank you. I was reading and contemplating and something didn't sit right with what I had written.

Thanks for clarifying for me!

The idea of Love as the Creative Principle I hadn't heard before. And Ra is saying that Logos=Love. God is love.

Siren, thank you for your insights, I will have to reread several more times. There is much to contemplate there!

Love is also referred to as the focus in the quote you provided. A focus can be thought of as that which place our attention on and direct our will.

The idea of the rhythm of the great heartbeat really resonates, as you can see from my signature

[Ankh]

Yes, Ankh, thank you. I was reading and contemplating and something didn't sit right with what I had written.

Thanks for clarifying for me!

The idea of Love as the Creative Principle I hadn't heard before. And Ra is saying that Logos=Love. God is love.

Siren, thank you for your insights, I will have to reread several more times. There is much to contemplate there!

Love is also referred to as the focus in the quote you provided. A focus can be thought of as that which place our attention on and direct our will.

The idea of the rhythm of the great heartbeat really resonates, as you can see from my signature

I see rather unity, or oneness as "God" or the Creator, instead of Love. If we take what you said yourself for instance, which I loved: "...love [which Ra is saying] is the activity of unity in its free will." In this sentence 'unity' is the Creator, or God. And Love is the activity when free will finds its focus.

Ra put it as follows:

This then may be seen to be an object rather than an activity by some of your peoples, and the principle of this extremely strong energy focus being worshipped as the Creator instead of unity or oneness from which all Loves emanate.

I understand the above as Ra is saying that the Creator is unity or oneness from which Love emanates.

A quote for your signature

Intelligent infinity has a rhythm or flow as of a giant heart beginning with the central sun as you would think or conceive of this, the presence of the flow inevitable as a tide of beingness without polarity, without finity; the vast and silent all beating outward, outward, focusing outward and inward until the focuses are complete. The intelligence or consciousness of foci have reached a state where their, shall we say, spiritual nature or mass calls them inward, inward, inward until all is coalesced.

[Siren]

I see rather unity, or oneness as "God" or the Creator, instead of Love. If we take what you said yourself for instance, which I loved: "...love [which Ra is saying] is the activity of unity in its free will." In this sentence 'unity' is the Creator, or God. And Love is the activity when free will finds its focus.

Intelligent Ininity is the potential (the Source), the energy/focus (Logos), and its manifestation/reflection (the Creation). This triad is the Creator. You can liken the first to the Spirit of the Creator, the second to the Mind, and the third to the Body. It is simultaneous. The three are the One. Some worship the light (the object, the visible stuff) of Creation as "God," others worship more directly the Logos/Love as "God" (the "heart," the noumenon, the invisible) and yet others go more directly into the very "Nothingness" from whence all arose (the plenum/void; or unpotentiated/unfocused infinity) as the Source of All. It is all the same, for the light will find its Love, and the Love will dissolve into the Source.

You will find this triad everywhere; as above so below, as within so without.

Will(Potential)/Love/Light
Spirit/Mind/Body
Khaos/Theos/Kosmos

[Ankh]

I see rather unity, or oneness as "God" or the Creator, instead of Love. If we take what you said yourself for instance, which I loved: "...love [which Ra is saying] is the activity of unity in its free will." In this sentence 'unity' is the Creator, or God. And Love is the activity when free will finds its focus.

Intelligent Ininity is the potential (the Source), the energy/focus (Logos), and its manifestation/reflection (the Creation). This triad is the Creator. You can liken the first to the Spirit of the Creator, the second to the Mind, and the third to the Body. It is simultaneous. The three are the One. Some worship the light (the object, the visible stuff) of Creation as "God," others worship more directly the Logos/Love as "God" (the "heart," the noumenon, the invisible) and yet others go more directly into the very "Nothingness" from whence all arose (the plenum/void; or unpotentiated/unfocused infinity) as the Source of All. It is all the same, for the light will find its Love, and the Love will dissolve into the Source.

You will find this triad everywhere; as above so below, as within so without.

Will(Potential)/Love/Light
Spirit/Mind/Body
Khaos/Theos/Kosmos

I understand what you are saying, but I resonate mostly with the Ra material where it is said for instance about definition of Love that "the principle of this extremely strong energy focus being worshipped as the Creator instead of unity or oneness from which all Loves emanate", which I in my personal understanding interpret as unity or oneness is the Creator, not Love/intelligent energy, which also fits my personal "resonance" so to speak. There are other quotes about this though. I don't wish to argue with you, but I do interpret the Creator differently I guess.

[Shin'Ar]

I see rather unity, or oneness as "God" or the Creator, instead of Love. If we take what you said yourself for instance, which I loved: "...love [which Ra is saying] is the activity of unity in its free will." In this sentence 'unity' is the Creator, or God. And Love is the activity when free will finds its focus.

I agree with this. as I tried to point out, in my thinking love is a verb not a noun.

Love is not what is manifest from the act of expressing love. Many things are manifest from the act of expressing love. If I throw a ball and hit a person in the head with it, would we call the lump on their noggin a throw? There are many instances in certain languages where the noun is often associated with the verb. For instance if I spit on you, we would also call the saliva spit. In this way I think the word love is wrongly applied as the consequence of the action. We would say that love is the result of feeding a starving child. But in actuality, the edification of the child is the consequence of the act of love offered toward the child.

Love is the offering of one's compassion, concern, affection, teaching, assistance, sacrifice, life and so on and so on. It is an act from one being toward another.

It is said that one can love their self, but that would not be a true definition of love. That would simply be gratification.

Love is an act toward another by which they are loved in the process. And when it is reciprocal it is elevated to degrees of holiness.

How could the only Being existing at the instance of creation, express love? And how could it be love if it was merely gratifying itself?

Where the Source of All that exists was in the process of Being, and developing First Thought, it is plausible that such thought might be "WTF, or What is This?, or even Hello????

I have seen other websites that suggest that love is the Original Thought, and maybe such thinking was brought here from there. Maybe Ra has quotes that make such a suggestion as well.

But in my field of understanding and comprehension, which I will be the first to admit could easily be wrong, where a Being is suddenly aware that it exists, where nothing else exists yet, why would love be its First Thought? Love toward what? Love of what? What would it love? Even if we were to suggest that love as a noun, is the result of that First Thought, it would still not be the First Thought.

This Source was immediately confused by its State of Being, and immediately upon that act of Being, the Process of Thought was set in motion. But what was originally set in motion was an attempt to comprehend its existence. To realize its power and ability. In all comparison it was quite literally an infant being born into complete ignorance. There were no memories or instincts or even other fields to share with.

There was One alone, beginning the first steps into what would become the All.

What was to follow was the Process of Being. All aspects of that Process of Being, including love, including thought, including vibration, are actions, motion, consequence; creation manifest.

The Original Thought is Being.

You will not find this in any book or text. It is my speculation alone found within the depths of my field of consciousness. Whether memory or thought I cannot say. It is the result of my Process of Being.

[Siren]

Love is not what is manifest

Agreed. Light is what is manifest.

It is said that one can love their self, but that would not be a true definition of love. That would simply be gratification.

Every act is an act of Love, whether recognized as such or not; whether to greater or lesser degree or intensity or realization, all is Love, whether that Love be expressed in its purest or not.

I have seen other websites that suggest that love is the Original Thought, and maybe such thinking was brought here from there. Maybe Ra has quotes that make such a suggestion as well.

My thinking was brought here from my own experiencing; those of Ra simply happened to be congruent with what I happened to experience myself. I already explained this to you in a PM.

Even if we were to suggest that love as a noun, is the result of that First Thought, it would still not be the First Thought.

Understand, Thought is just a particular FOCUS of Intelligent Infinity. Intelligent Infinity is not THE Thought; it is the potential behind ALL Thought(s).

This Source was immediately confused by its State of Being, and immediately upon that act of Being, the Process of Thought was set in motion. But what was originally set in motion was an attempt to comprehend its existence.

Being aware of its own infinitude and absolute awareness of being, It seeks to experience Itself. The only way it can experience itself is by creating a set of illusions (the Creation) which serves as a reflection through which it can observe itself and experience its own "be-coming" into "being." We are this Love/Thought/Focus experiencing Itself.

The Original Thought is Being.

Indeed. And that is Love too.

In essence, we are referring to the same thing, Shin'Ar. I can understand the confusion (even from my part), and it's primarily because of semantics. You and I proceed from the same Source, we seek the same Source, and we will return to the same Source.