Orion Group

[Oldern]

These things do not affect me.
Also, I am getting a positive reaction out of everything because I decided to do so.

It is really that simple. Once one is contemplating the nature of existence, the templet of this reality, stuffs like subconscious programming and attacks fade away - unless, of course, one agreed or still agrees that there should be threats "out there". Then there will be. That is my belief, and it works for me. I wish you good luck though, Pickle, because you might wanna need it, seeing as you are aligned with a reality where you are having tons of machines near your vicinity no matter where you go...

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"I" love computers. I love the internet, I think it is the greatest invention of our society, and the ultimate tool to Free Ourselves. Totally, utterly, no going back style. I thank the billions of particles working for me tenaciously every day, because I know it is not easy to generate realities for my wishes. I think it is a healthy way to look at something that someone uses every day.

[BrownEye]

What if you became electrosensitive? Would you leave your love? Or would you take painkillers?

At that point you would have to accept the fact that belief is not overcoming harmful radiation.

[Oldern]

What if you became electrosensitive? Would you leave your love? Or would you take painkillers?
At that point you would have to accept the fact that belief is not overcoming harmful radiation.

I will not become electrosensitive. You are ignoring the Law of Attraction with such assumptions. It is like asking "but would you still love everyone if someone murdered your wife in front of you?", or "would you still eat meat if someone ate your dog?", etc etc.

It is vibrationally impossible unless that was the specific plan in the first place. According to my understandings, there is no such thing in life as a bad thing. Every master of the limitations, be them yogis, shamans, "mages", philosophers, have proved that there are ideas that everyone considers exteremly unhealthy and bad and they turned it around. I have seen people live 80+ years on the most unhealthy stuff, stuff that would make the Meat Thread residents run around in panic - and with a smile on the person's face, even the things that one considers toxic becomes an act of love and service, nothing more.

Being in harmony with all the things around us is possible even in this environment. Is it EASIER to be in harmony with forests, no one else around and no computers? Oh, for many people, I think it is. But for others, it is the other way around. It is only unnatural or dangerous if one puts a spin on it, a bias.

[BrownEye]

So you mean that people who suddenly develop sensitivity to harmful radiation did so through LOA?

When someone mentions a window is left open in your house, do you tell them it makes no difference because you attract nothing negative? Could you do the same in Harlem?

[Patrick]

It's fun you mentioned Harlem, because I did sleep in a room with an open window without bars at street level in Harlem years ago when it was tougher than today.

[BrownEye]

What i do not see taken into account is environment. Once a LOA individual is moved out of their element, their game is screwed.

It's like saying he can go camp out in Chernobyl without a single worry. Superman you know? As far as i can tell nobody has successfully made LOA 100%. They have to remain within guidelines. And part of those guidelines involves working within the grid of 3D consensus reality. It's all good when you are away from society, but once you get within the throng of masses their reality presses in on yours.

[Parsons]

I think this thread is starting to turn into that scene from lord of the rings where everyone starts arguing with each other and the camera pans over to the ring whispering negative thoughts into their heads. =O/

My 2 cents on the law of attraction: I think it applies MOST of the time but not ALL of the time. I try to apply my discernment to every situation (good or bad catalyst) to see if there is a deeper lesson to be learned from it as well as try to determine if I truly attracted the catalyst, and (very) occasionally I can't seem to find any lesson to be learned.

[Patrick]

We co-create our reality ahead of us. This even more so now than ever in my experience. How do you suppose I could find myself at Chernobyl without having co-created this experience or accepted to experience this before incarnating?

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My 2 cents on the law of attraction: I think it applies MOST of the time but not ALL of the time. I try to apply my discernment to every situation (good or bad catalyst) to see if there is a deeper lesson to be learned from it as well as try to determine if I truly attracted the catalyst, and (very) occasionally I can't seem to find any lesson to be learned.

Ra did state that we were exposed to random catalysts, but it was also stated that it only appears random to us while incarnated.

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... It's all good when you are away from society, but once you get within the throng of masses their reality presses in on yours.

Traffic comes to mind. For me that was some serious catalysts, not just in traffic, but on the road generally. Now I'm very rarely negatively affected by this. I do not ignore other-selves on the road, but I do not react to the negativity. I can contemplate/meditate on the road while drivers are cutting me, breaking in my face, road rage, etc... I smile at them with understanding for their misery and stress of driving and send them love/light.

[BrownEye]

I think this thread is starting to turn into that scene from lord of the rings where everyone starts arguing with each other and the camera pans over to the ring whispering negative thoughts into their heads. =O/

Yeah ha no kidding! Something right off made its presence known over here. My machines went nuts. I bet the "meat" word brought that thought form to this thread lol!

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I betcha the rulers have a 100 percentile in LOA.

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Traffic comes to mind. For me that was some serious catalysts, not just in traffic, but on the road generally. Now I'm very rarely negatively affected by this. I do not ignore other-selves on the road, but I do not react to the negativity. I can contemplate/meditate on the road while drivers are cutting me, breaking in my face, road rage, etc... I smile at them with understanding for their misery and stress of driving and send them love/light.

Road rage is not the person really. It is more like possession. The instant their attachment is removed the rage vanishes and they can think clearly.

[Oldern]

So you mean that people who suddenly develop sensitivity to harmful radiation did so through LOA?

When someone mentions a window is left open in your house, do you tell them it makes no difference because you attract nothing negative? Could you do the same in Harlem?

I recognize that we have a very different interpretation of Law of Attraction. Mine has changed drastically thanks to listening to Bashar, for example, but I would not say I am "blindly" following their words, it is just that they provided a perspective that I was very comfortable with, and felt like it belonged "to" me or "for me", so let me explain myself before using the Earth's most "dangerous" place as a sanctum for meditation, please

After getting introduced to Law of One, Bashar and doing these eye-opening meditations, I have recognized that this is right. This IS the truth. I have looked around myself, looked at my family members, my friends, myself, and I recognized that EVERY problem, every illness, every discomfort, every happiness comes through and thanks to our personal beliefs, and nothing else. That is my basis. Law of Attraction, for me, is simple: the belief systems query into the "consensus reality" (but this is not really what is happening, as consensus reality is simply a part of the generated reality we tune into, but if we wanted to, we could tune into a reality where the consensus reality is allowing for far different things to happen. Question is, did we incarnate here to change that, or for other reasons?). Then when a query is made, problems, catalysts, source of happiness and joy gets delivered according to our beliefs and our needs (not the ego's needs, but the needs of what one agreed to experience.)

So no, Law of Attraction does not mean one can, with a smile on his face, sit down in Chernobyl. But it is not impossible either. If one thinks that loving computers equals taking the radiation that is even comparable to that, well...again: good luck. But my understanding of the matter is that if one has a belief system that includes dangers and a certain degree of victimization, then YES, it is very possible that one will then find itself in an environment where there are hazards in the water, in the food, in the air, in the computers, in the meat, in the wheat - basically everything. This is a result of a heavily victimized state - because it usually involves a lot of fear, complaints, issues, brick walls and financial problems regarding the "getting to get a clean source of water/food/etc." or involving a running away from the "civilization" completely.

I do not feel like this should be the way to interact. I thank you for providing insights like this, but I needed to add my perspective on this manner, maybe it will be useful to some. I strongly and firmly believe that mind over matter is literally true. I am not an expert in that (haha, way too far from that...more like a sub-sub-sub-beginner), but I really really run away from ideas like "you are in control of your world and with peace, joy and happiness, you can achieve anything that you set out to..unless you eat that food. Or you drink from tap water. Or you breath near the roads. Or sleep next to a computer. Or interact with peeeeeople."

And why saying this specific quote? Well, not because of you, but because I have had these things said to me before - and sadly, not in a joking manner. Mind over matter, I say. And be thankful for computers - their task is not an easy one.

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What i do not see taken into account is environment. Once a LOA individual is moved out of their element, their game is screwed.

That is the thing: every individual is a LOA individual. And environment is part of your reality. Do you believe that having to travel a lot for your job, for example, "having to" interact with a lot of people in your everyday life, for example, is something that is not ultimately a result of your belief systems giving you the chance to process those catalysts? Or "having to be" near computers? Or "realizing they are dangerous so you make a different choice?". Everything has to be the result of Law of Attraction. What you put out is what you get back.

[Shin'Ar]

In response to the OP I would ask how do we know what would be Orion devised?

Do they not work in seclusion and deception?

[BrownEye]

@ Oldern. I understand. I will just say that there are many people that get sick from what they believe is good for them. Drug use would be the simplest example. Most common would be food.

I guess it boils down to what catalyst is programmed for you. There are a minority that are indestructable, with DNA that can take a beating. Such as myself. But, I found there are limits to how much "fun" I can have at the expense of my body.

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In response to the OP I would ask how do we know what would be Orion devised?

Do they not work in seclusion and deception?

Who do you know that has identified any connection?

As an example, if a 5D negative were to take solid form and stand in front of Best Buy handing out free iPods that effectively shut down the right half of the brain do you suppose anybody would care in the least? Even if they knew what it did?

[Shin'Ar]

@ Oldern. I understand. I will just say that there are many people that get sick from what they believe is good for them. Drug use would be the simplest example. Most common would be food.

I guess it boils down to what catalyst is programmed for you. There are a minority that are indestructable, with DNA that can take a beating. Such as myself. But, I found there are limits to how much "fun" I can have at the expense of my body.

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In response to the OP I would ask how do we know what would be Orion devised?

Do they not work in seclusion and deception?

Who do you know that has identified any connection?

As an example, if a 5D negative were to take solid form and stand in front of Best Buy handing out free iPods that effectively shut down the right half of the brain do you suppose anybody would care in the least? Even if they knew what it did?

Sorry Pickle, you are probably responding in the sense that the entire thread has managed to generate and I shamefully admit to not having read through it all. So I really don't know what you're asking.

I think most of us that bother to consider the possibilities of such human/ET relations and interactions, understand that there are many possible scenarios playing out in the background.

And what's worse, which is what you might be implying, is that there are many of us, and yes I say US, that will risk some of these things regardless of that fact that we know the risk and the possibility.

This goes directly to what I was saying in the 'Monica's meat thread', (sorry Mon, I hate associating you with with meat now,, whoa that really didn't come out right}, about sensitivity. Such things are so integrated into our social life structures that we will tolerate and enable them anyway. I think this is the great tool that the elites have employed for thousands of years. Society is not ours and never has been. Just so everyone knows I make that joke to Monica because I know she has a great sense of humor and we speak often in ways that she knows my ridiculous sense of humor as well.

Democracy and this whole voting thing is a scam to make it appear like we have some power over our lives. But come on, who of any intelligence at all doesn't realize the vicious cycle of such practice. You vote one party in because you think the other sucks, and after four years of more sucking what do you do/ You vote those ones out and vote the other ones back in again as though your getting something new and improved.

Yeah right. What your getting is more of the same elites and the same system. But when voting time comes everyone is in a frenzy to do the right thing and vote or you don't deserve to have a voice. Puh lease! It's all about desensitization and apathetic ignorance.

You never had a voice. Liberal or conservative? what's the flavor of the day? which one are ya pissed off at the most right now? And in four years what other choice are ya gonna have? You gonna vote the least of two evils in next time just because that's the only option you have?

Tea party? Green Party? Right, yup, they are gonna make some radical alterations to a system owned and controlled by the rich and powerful elites all over the globe that have hoards of gold and treasure hidden in secret places enough to wipe the face of the planet clean whenever they so choose. You they have got some real power in those little grass roots parties. And as soon as they get into the system we will see who is really pulling the puppet strings.

Do we see the effects of the Elites? Sure we do? Do we know about it? damned right we do. Are we immersed into it right up to our necks. Of course we are.

Do we have a moral obligation to speak out against it and hope for a better human experience. Sure you do. Do you expect to make a difference. Only if you are delusional.

So the ignorant partake, the intelligent tolerate, and the concerned fret, but the elite system is so intricately spun into the web of humanity that it even extends into our very DNA. We cannot escape it because it is the actual human experience on this planet.

The only escape is in the realization and transformation that comes when one realizes one is more than this human experience. As consciousness we are not limited to this one manipulated experience. we are part of something far out of the reach of the temporary and limited scope of the elites.

They are really not as powerful as they appear. They only seem so to those who who do not yet know their true realities as evolving consciousness. The elite have you by your privates, and as long as that is how you perceive the world that is what you think your reality is, and how you will experience this world.

As soon as you realize that your privates are temporarily fixed in place, it doesn't really matter who has a grip on them at that point, because the real you walks away and leaves the elite holding a handful of flesh without substance.

[Cyan]

This goes directly to what I was saying in the 'Monica's meat thread', (sorry Mon, I hate associating you with with meat now,, whoa that really didn't come out right}, about sensitivity....

I felt this thread could use a Giggidy.

[Shin'Ar]

cripes the things you will write in a moment of silliness and look at later and wonder what the heck you were thinking. lol

I'm sure Mon's hubby is getting more of a kick out of it than she is. But she knows I love her.