Transcending Lust

[AnthroHeart]

Is there a benefit spiritually to transcending lust? Ra says that nothing shall be overcome. But a lot of spiritual masters do not have a problem with lusting, and are sometimes celibate. This includes not masturbating.

Does it have something to do with wasting 2nd chakra energies. When you deplete these energies does the energy body then become unbalanced? And is the point where you feel orgasm where your 2nd chakra is?

Does looking at porn that does not violate the free will of those participating deplete the 2nd chakra? Is there a reason that certain people abstain from porn?

Can one achieve greater spiritual fulfillment if one transcends above these?

[Jeremy]

If such enlightenment attainment is only achieved by such deprivation then I say ignorance is bliss LOL

[AnthroHeart]

If such enlightenment attainment is only achieved by such deprivation then I say ignorance is bliss LOL

So true. Sexualilty gives meaning to my life. I can't understand the benefits of getting beyond that. A shaman I knew called it a basal emotion.

There's a whole field around it called Tantrism. I've never made a ritual about it, but my sexuality with regard to furry anthros is very important to me. They are very special. More special than normal sex with a human being. Probably because they don't exist in this reality, but only on paper. Such cartoon beings can be anything I want them to be. I like their tails as well. But I'm very species specific.

I once held out from orgasming when I had masturbated, resulting in a rather painful condition for some time making my future orgasms very weak. Nowadays, my meds make my orgasms very weak.

[xise]

I don't believe you can spiritually evolve by following rules and guidelines. I believe the only way to spiritually evolve is by discovering things yourself, about yourself. You can use supposed rules and guidelines as topics of interest to start your self-discovery inquiry, but I think that's all that they are good for.


So to answer your question GW, only you can decide yourself. Remember, there are no right or wrong choices, only choices made unconsciously or consciously with deep thought and contemplation. I know for myself I think many of the explicit behavior governing rules set down by spiritual people are BS, whether it's being vegan/vegetarian, to abstaining from certain types of sex/masterbation, or to not do certain substances or drugs. If you do these things, look deep within you as to whether they serve the unique you, or do not. Remove guilt and shame and shoulds from the equation. Once those distortions are removed, you can begin to recognize whether the activity energizes you or drains you. There is no wrong or right. You are the Creator.

1.7 ▶ Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?

[AnthroHeart]

Then in Infinity I bring to the table a valuable gift with my fascination of furry anthros. Because it is unique. Not everyone can love them like I love them. Indeed, I can feel unity within them. They give me a purpose for being here. The purpose is to love. I like your first sentence xise. It is up to me to make my own choices, and so long as they do not violate the free will of another person or being, how bad can they be?

So regardless of how I choose to express my deepest fascination with these beings I am still Infinity. I am still Unity. I can bring them life with the very thoughtforms that I possess.

I was just worried before that masturbation might be draining my kundalini.

[xise]

Then in Infinity I bring to the table a valuable gift with my fascination of furry anthros. Because it is unique. Not everyone can love them like I love them. Indeed, I can feel unity within them. They give me a purpose for being here. The purpose is to love. I like your first sentence xise. It is up to me to make my own choices, and so long as they do not violate the free will of another person or being, how bad can they be?

So regardless of how I choose to express my deepest fascination with these beings I am still Infinity. I am still Unity. I can bring them life with the very thoughtforms that I possess.

I was just worried before that masturbation might be draining my kundalini.

Google masterbation and fatigue. Everyone is different. Everyone seems to have a level of masterbation after which fatigue sets in, but that level is different for everyone. I think it's just red ray fatigue; I don't think it's some deeper imbalance in and of itself (unless you are attached to a level of fatigue causing of masterbation and cannot stop, and even so, it seems that a more minor imbalance on the scale of things). YMMV.

[Jade]

Ra says that orange and yellow ray blockages can causes insatiability (I am assuming this is what you are referring to?) when an entity is desiring green-ray expression.

26.38 Questioner: ...I have a question that the instrument has asked that I would like to ask for the instrument. She says, you speak of various types of energy blockages and transfers, positive and negative, that may take place due to participation in our sexual reproductive complex of actions. She states, please explain these blockages and energy transfers with emphasis upon what an individual seeking to be in accordance with the Law of One may positively do in this area? Is it possible for you to answer this question?

Ra: I am Ra. It is partially possible, given the background we have laid. This is properly a more advanced question. Due to the specificity of the question we may give general answer.

The first energy transfer is red ray. It is a random transfer having to do only with your reproductive system.

The orange- and the yellow-ray attempts to have sexual intercourse create, firstly, a blockage if only one entity vibrates in this area, thus causing the entity vibrating sexually in this area to have a never-ending appetite for this activity. What these vibratory levels are seeking is green-ray activity. There is the possibility of orange- or yellow-ray energy transfer; this being polarizing towards the negative: one being seen as object rather than other-self; the other seeing itself as plunderer or master of the situation.

In third* ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in third* ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed.

* This should be fourth or green. Don and Ra corrected the error in session 32.

The other green-ray possibility is that of one entity offering green-ray energy, the other not offering energy of the universal love energy, this resulting in a blockage of energy for the one not green ray thus increasing frustration or appetite; the green-ray being polarizing slightly towards service to others.

The blue-ray energy transfer is somewhat rare among your people at this time but is of great aid due to energy transfers involved in becoming able to express the self without reservation or fear.

The indigo-ray transfer is extremely rare among your people. This is the sacramental portion of the body complex whereby contact may be made through the violet ray with intelligent infinity. No blockages may occur at these latter two levels due to the fact that if both entities are not ready for this energy it is not visible and neither transfer nor blockage may take place. It is as though the distributor were removed from a powerful engine.

This instrument was able, as an example of this working, to baffle the Orion group during [tape blank] experiences, as you call this substance, due to the fact that it effectively completely opened other-self to third-ray— we correct this instrument, it is growing low in vital energy— green-ray energy and partially open other-self to blue-ray interaction. May we ask if you have any queries before we close?

So looking at porn may be seeing/using another as an object, unless you actively try to experience love and gratitude for the other that you are enjoying.

Ra speaks very highly of sexual energy transfers and their ability to do positive work, so no, I don't think spiritual fulfillment means transcending sexual desires. Maybe someone else could be kind enough to share their experiences with solo-sexual-green-ray work. I mean, a transfer implies entity-to-entity, but this doesn't have to be in the flesh.

[AnthroHeart]

I've tried sexual energy transfers with beings of higher density, and while comforting, were not all that profound. It makes me wonder if it's all in my imagination and if such transfers are possible. I've tried the solo green-ray transfer as well.

[manniz]

Is there a benefit spiritually to transcending lust?

The way i see it, it is the infinite creator that created lust. When I think back on my teenage mind, some of those thoughts were so overbearing and made me so dumb, but even our teenage years are part of the grand design.

Look how funny the physical sex act is, when seen from a third person perspective. But then, if our sub-logos wanted us to have a more exquisite, graceful sex, then it would not have designed our bodies for humping and grinding.

Sex = Light beings jumping up and down on a really cushy mattress while wearing meat=suits. Not to mention all the drama that one meat suit requires before it can be seen naked by the other.

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I've tried sexual energy transfers with beings of higher density, and while comforting, were not all that profound. It makes me wonder if it's all in my imagination and if such transfers are possible. I've tried the solo green-ray transfer as well.

Solo green ray helps us save time, and precious emotional energy. What if our sub-logos had given us shorter arms. Solo green ray would be very hard then. From what I have read about wanderers, the way they feel left out from the consensus reality, and from the kind of personalities that post on this forum, I imagine a lot of Solo Green ray activity going on by many wanderers.

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Then in Infinity I bring to the table a valuable gift with my fascination of furry anthros. Because it is unique.kundalini.

Absolutely. The whole furry sub-culture adds to the infinite creation's variety. Though, I have heard some of the furry clubs can be quite out there.

[BlatzAdict]

I always think of this concept a lot since it has to do with what my life circulates past over and over. When in the Law of One it talks about thou shalt not which was the service to self path by not experiencing and thus as a result not learning from it


Then it does not allow that part of you wether essential or not to fall away or grow within you

I believe wisdom is gained from experiencing rather than not. Making mistakes has always taught me exactly why not to do it in the first place by doing it and then it either affects me or someone else in a negative or positive way. There is always a mix of self motivation and well being or lack of well being of others with every choice i feel.

[Fastidious Emanations]

lust is good step to get to sex!

[AnthroHeart]

Absolutely. The whole furry sub-culture adds to the infinite creation's variety. Though, I have heard some of the furry clubs can be quite out there.

Furries have a strange sense of what interests them. I went to a furry convention once and they showed a film about harvesting organs from living people. I can't remember the name, but it was like Repo something. I immediately left once I saw what it was about, repo-ing organs from those who could not afford to pay for their transplants. It was a bloody film, but done with satire. Still, not my cup of tea. Still, a lot of furries liked it. Then I've met another furry who actually scared me. Some people are just like that, but they are all Creator. Hard to remember that sometimes.

[oneloveonebeing]

If such enlightenment attainment is only achieved by such deprivation then I say ignorance is bliss LOL

hehhee

[Aion]

I think you're avoiding dealing with blockages in orange and yellow rays which have to do with relationships and interactions socially, but hey, I can be an a******. The red ray energies can't move up. Trapped red ray energies resulting in an overactivity of the red ray but with no upward movement it stays as pure carnal, primal energy.

Red-ray energy isn't bad in itself, but I wouldn't say this is a balanced configuration given the blockages in orange and yellow.

[Stranger]

^^^^ Exactly that. Lust is transcended when it is replaced with love, a much higher expression of the same attractive impulse. Although your fetish is not harming anyone, it may be preventing you from being able to fully engage in loving, person - to - person relationships, which would provide a wealth of opportunities for learning and spiritual growth.

You may consider asking yourself if there is some aspect of relating to other humans that feels scary or uncomfortable to you? If so, that might indicate an area to work on, perhaps with the help of your therapist. Because, friend, sooner or later, you'll have to - and it will make your life better when you do. So might as well get started

[Matt1]

Is there a benefit spiritually to transcending lust? Ra says that nothing shall be overcome. But a lot of spiritual masters do not have a problem with lusting, and are sometimes celibate. This includes not masturbating.

Does it have something to do with wasting 2nd chakra energies. When you deplete these energies does the energy body then become unbalanced? And is the point where you feel orgasm where your 2nd chakra is?

Does looking at porn that does not violate the free will of those participating deplete the 2nd chakra? Is there a reason that certain people abstain from porn?

Can one achieve greater spiritual fulfillment if one transcends above these?

In Eastern traditions they believe different thoughts and emotions can be let go off , being in an non-attached state of consciousness. From my understanding and experience this doesn't mean you no longer have the thought/emotion but you aren't affected by it, you view it with full awareness and acceptance. A good metaphor would be clouds in the sky, those clouds being different thoughts and the clear sky being the empty awareness of the mind. Watching the clouds go by without getting caught up in them.

I think watching porn creates some distortion because we are activating an energetic transfer between oneself and the entities in the video. It also creates a type of habit or lust as you put it because the prana is looking to be moved up to the Heart Chakra or green ray but is stuck at orange ray vibration.

[VanAlioSaldo]

I'll speak of a position where I experienced interesting phenomenon during my awakening.  While I don't recall ever hearing about a solo green ray transfer, I for some reason immediately thought of an experience that makes me really ponder if that's what happened...

To start with, there's a way of Being where you integrate into yourself the lessons you desires to learn regarding the traits you dislike about yourself (much of this work is done through the lower sanctum green ray) and if you truly take them into the roots of the mind it allows actual change on a physical level.  For me I did experience in almost a traumatically fast way the 'shedding' or 'dropping away' of 'unwanted ways of being'.  I lost my anger.  I lost my impatience.  I lost my roughness (outside of needing to be). I lost my sadness.  I lost my depression.  I lost my tiredness (I LOST MY TIREDNESS!) And I gained Genuine Unconditional Love for not only myself, but everyone else around me.

During those times I ended up exploring my sexuality towards men.  Let me just say, living a lonely life and being a former lurker of 4chan's /b/ board, I had some pretty messed up areas inside of me.  And putting that all aside, when I finally got passed the many oddities that just didn't resonate with me (anyone who knows that board may know very well some pretty heavy skewing of sexual desires occurs) and ended up with the odd final placement of...Why are dick's attractive...But not the rest of the guy?  So in turn, here's my advice.

Don't watch too much porn, it literally will skew your mind's opinion of attractive beyond disrepair into a completely new configuration.  Especially depending on the porn genre.  Heavy STS genre's will also affect you spiritually.  I used to be huge into light BDSM porn and found it repulsed me for a while, alongside most porn when I was going through my awakening.  In fact I had gotten so desperate to have a decent alone time I even took up sexual meditation where I just focused on my own arousal to get a full handle on my complete desires sexually.

Which one day, ended in what I still to this day would call the single most mindblowingest orgasm there could have been experienced.  By myself, but better than anything I ever knew.  The end result left me so moved I actually at first thought I just got loved on by a Succubus because my entire body was washed over in what felt like a ray of light, as if the sun were shining on your skin, only underneath the skin, in a warm flushing over you way that goes in oscillations or waves and subsides muuuuuuuuch slower than the usual orgasm.

Which I have noticed lately has been weak due to a lot of personal strife in myself towards my own sexuality towards women.

I think blockages in Orange and Yellow ray are best admitted by the person when they're ready.  Having another tell you your orange ray is being funky when you're sitting there wondering why you can't just have the power which is apparently so close but right there beyond grasp, but you're supposed to keep working and working to get what you desire.  I think that's a trap.  I think blockages can be closer seen as ways to better accept yourself.

Take Gemini.  He has an immensely strong sense of self it seems, or at least what he desires to be and actually isn't.  I think this brings him an In-Plain Sight Unseen acute awareness of something about himself that he does not want but is here trying to learn to accept.  At least, I see it as we all are here to do that alongside other reasons.

I look at it as at a Red Ray Level, and I'll use myself directly (and somewhat embarrassingly) as an example, I desire to be alive, but at times in my loneliness that desire ceases.  This basically halts most instreaming light from getting halfway towards Orange Ray.  At times when I also feel like most of my sexuality is pointless, it really does cut off most energy flow from Red Ray, however I always seem to be in a sense of isolation by this point.  Like I withdrew all the way into the pit of my being because I didn't want to be here anymore.
When I awoke, it was a clear and bright, I WANT TO BE HERE, I WANT THIS, I WANT TO LIVE, HERE, NOW.  I felt confident in my body (despite being 280 pounds at the time), I felt powerful and a sense of self, I was sure I didn't want to be alone.  My Red Ray was open and shining!  It made it so much easier to work in Orange Ray, and subsequently Yellow Ray, for each builds off the prior, despite each latter encompassing the prior.

I had an open enough system at the time of that first mindblowingest experience, I might have performed an actual green ray  healing transfer on myself.  It doesn't explain why I suddenly inexplicably knew I was not alone and that someone else had just helped me.  But the experience was so intense despite being so calming that...It was an experience of it's own accord.  Truly, a powerful occurrence whatever I felt was.

But damn, did I need it even then, it made me feel sexy.  Don't know how else to describe it, but afterwards I just felt full of...Attraction.  Maybe I applied the feeling to the wrong context of the word.  It was immediately after that experience that it feels like I made the biggest leap in terms of polarization...

Man, I cannot wait for this incarnation to end and all the answers to be laid out.  Yet.  I can.  Yay mystery~

[isis]

Why are dick's attractive...But not the rest of the guy?

haha!

[AnthroHeart]

I've never heard of 4chan's /b/ board before, though I've heard of 4chan though never been there. It scares me.

[Aion]

I've never heard of 4chan's /b/ board before, though I've heard of 4chan though never been there. It scares me.

Don't bother, it's a cesspool.

[Bring4th_Austin]

This is a bit redundant given the replies so far, but I think that the discussion and contemplation of this topic can be clarified by defining differences between "lust" and "sexuality," and "transcending" and "overcoming."

I agree completely with Ra in that nothing is to be "overcome," and that it is appropriate to experience those things which are desired. However, when does experience become indulgence? Sex, in some cases, can be an addiction much like a substance. If one desires to consume an addicting substance, is it the best thing for their spiritual growth to do so? I think there is a certain point where indulgence can become a self-perpetuating cycle resulting in stagnancy or even regression.

Breaking this cycle is kind of tricky, and I don't really understand the difference between healing an addiction/indulgence and overcoming them. But I think that it can be applied to sex in similar ways as with substances.

I heard Ken Wilber address the subject by saying, "Are you having sex, or is sex having you?"

I think part of becoming a balanced and crystallized being is to be able to consciously move throughout our environments and open the pathway to intelligent infinity in a conscious and deliberate manner. Can it be said that we are acting in a conscious manner when something appears within our environment which arouses us on a very basic and animalistic level, and then we indulge in this arousal? Whether it is randomly hooking up with someone or getting aroused by a sexual depiction somewhere around us. I think, in this sense, "sex is having you," and I think that could probably be considered lust. Not to be overcome, but I do think transcending this would be part of becoming a conscious and crystallized being.

Part of this transcendence could possibly be a period of complete celibacy. When we indulge in a more primal sexual gratification, sure we are experiencing something desired, but in doing so, the feeling of the primal sexual arousal disappears once it is gratified. Perhaps this hinders our ability to fully experience the more primal sexual desires and come to a full understanding of them, not allowing us to transcend them to a higher understanding of conscious sexuality. Taking a period of celibacy and meditating on the desire when it arises, rather than indulging in it, could possibly be a strong form of balancing and might be the experience needed to then more consciously access our sexual natures rather than allow our outer environments to access them for us.

But attempting celibacy prematurely would probably be what Ra would consider "overcoming." If we have not experienced this primal sexual nature of ourselves, then we can't fully understand it and it may become repressed if we try to kill it with celibacy. This would probably prohibit us from truly experiencing higher sexuality. Practicing celibacy from the standpoint of judging sexuality to be bad is probably the most harmful, I'd imagine.

It seems to be a deeply personal thing that can only be known to the self, but I do think that the personal choice of celibacy, whether temporary or permanent, can be a way to come to a fuller understanding of our sexual natures and allow us to transcend lust.