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    04-23-2011, 04:01 PM
    We seek within.
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    04-23-2011, 06:36 PM
    (04-23-2011, 04:01 PM)Azrael Wrote: Are these books available online anywhere?
    If you are referring to the Law of One books, they are here:

    Law of One, Books One through Five

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    04-23-2011, 07:05 PM
    Exactly what I need! I thought they were only available for purchase and the library only had excerpts. Thank you

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    04-23-2011, 08:32 PM (This post was last modified: 04-23-2011, 08:43 PM by Confused.)
    (04-23-2011, 02:44 PM)Ankh Wrote: My brother, there is something that I've wanted to speak with you of, but never had an opportunity, but here it comes again so I will write to you after the Easter break by email, as my family takes almost all of my time right now. Love and light! You are in my thoughts and heart, my beautiful brother! Heart

    I am all ears to what dear Ankh has to say after the Easter break.

    Thanks for remembering me in your prayers, good sister Heart
    (04-23-2011, 03:53 PM)kycahi Wrote: Even Wanderers have baggage when plopping into this world; some maybe by pre-programming to help them fit in and enforce the Law of Confusion, and some by their status at the time, IMO.

    Thanks for posting the Sutra. It means a lot to me.

    Dear Kycahi, thank you very much for taking the time to read and write on my personal declamations.

    It does bring cheer to the heart when a dear brother/sister on the path takes note of a fellow seeker as an individual, and reaches out with whatever can be given (words, kind thoughts, prayers, thoughtful loving censure, etc).

    And kycahi, may I ask as to why the Sutra meant so much for you?

    Thank you very much and wish you the best Smile
    Azrael, you speak deeply wise and profoundly brave words. I am sure there is much I can learn from your words, in terms of distilling love and light in the study of the scheme of the ONE. And my hunch is that your words/thoughts/observations will help me greatly as I wend my way into the great allness of the One Infinite Creator.

    I hope you continue to keep posting. If your perspectives can be so thrusting before you have even completely read the LOO; then I am sure they will have much splendid piercing value after you have read the material at great length. Thanks for being here and helping individuals like me with more incisive spiritual optic.

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    We seek within.

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    04-23-2011, 09:14 PM
    (04-23-2011, 08:54 PM)Azrael Wrote: ...positive harvest, and perhaps to be a part of the coming era. For a truly positive harvest to occur I believe a deep understanding of both sides is necessary, for only with the reflection of the negative will the motivation or catalyst for the positive come about.

    Azrael, my curiosity is piqued that you see yourself as a humble messenger in the time of the great Harvest on this planet.

    Do you have any thoughts to share on what the Harvest could be? I would appreciate that greatly and be thankful to you for diffusing anything that you may know.

    And I deeply resonate with your thought that an appreciation of the negative motivates us to work with the universe to anchor strongly, the billowing energies of the positive. For then, the dualities of the apparently inimical polarities too dissolve in the all consuming fire of the magnificence of the One Infinite Creator.

    Thank you for your words, Azrael. They are more than just words. They are packets of divine energy that encapsulate to some extent, the great spiritual learning and initiations that the being we now know as Azrael has gone through in the canvass of eternity. Thank you and keep up the good work.

    And I shall remember your exhortation to never slight myself, brother. I shall hold it in the forefront of my mind always. Thank you for that too.

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    We seek within.
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    04-23-2011, 11:23 PM
    (04-23-2011, 09:39 PM)Azrael Wrote: Haha! You flatter me, ....

    Wink busted.

    I need to become subtle from now on and learn the art of flattery better.

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    04-23-2011, 11:28 PM
    As Ra would say, this is not something of importance. Tongue

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    04-23-2011, 11:37 PM
    (04-23-2011, 11:28 PM)Azrael Wrote: As Ra would say, this is not something of importance. Tongue

    Hmmm.....no other choice but to agree Sad

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    04-24-2011, 02:52 AM
    Confused - I don't know what was on my mind writing the previous post. I was stressed with family running around me, so I don't even remember what I was thinking of, but kycahi put it so well. Just because one smells the coffee it doesn't mean that one is able to drink that coffee. To see all as one is a lesson of 6D, and some Wanderers are maybe able to do that, like Jesus who said that thing with singleness of the eye. But lesson of 3D is to polarise, and if one is lucky perhaps also to catch the moment that contains love.

    Azrael - did you just imitate Ra? I found that humorous BigSmile

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    04-24-2011, 03:52 AM
    Aha Well, can't take anything too seriously, it doesn't bode well to contemplate the darkness with no breaks.

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    04-24-2011, 03:57 AM
    (04-24-2011, 02:52 AM)Ankh Wrote: Just because one smells the coffee it doesn't mean that one is able to drink that coffee.

    Dear Ankh is becoming great with trenchant analogies. I am sure when you go back to home vibration, your family is going to be happy with this new Ankh, who can spout the greatest of analogies at ease.

    So when you go to aid other planetary civilizations, you can teach/learn through brilliant analogies. In that way, many planets may escape much of the mess that spirituality has created on earth.

    Yay, go Ankh!!! Smile **Cheering**

    In case you suddenly remember what you wanted to say, Ankh, then just drop an email. Thank you very much, dear sister.

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    04-24-2011, 04:15 AM
    lol, brother! You just keep pouring that encouragement of yours in an unceasing amount. =)
    I am pretty much sure that my group is the one that is responsible for these analogies many times, so I don't want to take the credit for it. But thank you for your kind words, my brother.
    By the way, it is very seldom that I can drink that coffee in the everyday life. Maybe that is what I wanted to tell you. =)

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    04-24-2011, 04:20 AM
    (04-24-2011, 04:15 AM)Ankh Wrote: You just keep pouring that encouragement of yours in an unceasing amount.

    What do I say to that?!! Wink

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    04-24-2011, 09:31 AM
    (04-21-2011, 02:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: An energy center can likely be unblocked by any experience that the user perceives as releasing in nature, it is in the personal conception of the unblocking technique which can gauge success. This is why there is such a vast scope of ways to reach balance, because there is not a single way that works for everyone. At least, this is how things would seem to be under a Law of One perception. There are no incorrect paths, and everything leads to spiritual development, regardless of how bizarre, mundane or divorced from the perceptions of other-selves they may seem. In regards to the pineal gland, according to some studies it produces a natural form of DMT, also known as the Spirit Molecule which is considered the chemical basis of spirituality, and dreams, but of course like all things it is a manifestation of a principle and so its use as "hardware" is subjective I'd wager. Whether mind is before matter would make the difference. Also, in relation to the idea of simply "getting off", I would counter that sexuality is a very powerful gateway to intelligent infinity and I have heard teachings of Sacred Sexuality where it is used as a primary gateway. This was supposed to have been practiced by the Mayans and others, in many temples there are collections of chambers which were meant for the practice of Sacred Sexuality, considered by them to be the purist activity and most direct route to spiritual evolution. I believe this is also part of the context in which sacrifices were placed, the penetration of the blade and release of the heart was like an orgasm. Also, from what I've read the Mayans believed very strongly in reincarnation and it would seem that practicing Sacred Sexuality to produce a body to reincarnate in to after the self-sacrifice would be the most efficient way for a culture to rapidly evolve spiritually in connection to the infinite self. This way the whole culture is in a continuous state of transcension, incarnating as their own children. Of course, this is just an observation I've put together from a number of ideas I've seen, and would seem to be the most congruent with the Law of One teachings. (In relation to anal stimulation in general I will note that for males it can produce powerful orgasms because of the location of the A Spot, or prostate, which basically has the same effect as the female G Spot) The Kama Sutra is also particular to note as highly advanced yogic practice using the sexual center as a primary gateway. Also, in the Dzogchen Tibetan Buddhist tradition (and likely others) there is something called Rigpa, or a moment of pure light, of which there are four main experiences - when you die, when you're falling asleep, when you orgasm and... when you sneeze (which is commonly known to be 1/10 of an orgasm as an energetic release). All too often I find people considering the thoughts of ancient peoples with modern minds, caught up in our self images and ideas of comfort and normality. Take for yourself what you will, but do not deny the possibilities of another, the nature of the One is infinite usefulness, with all paths leading to the Source regardless of what form the paths take.

    My apologies if I seem preachy, I am merely interested in sharing information and seeing reflection on the infinite possibilities of experience. This doesn't even get in to the possibilities of time-streams and multi-dimensional events, since in one way I must be right, but in another I must be completely wrong, the choice is yours.
    Oh my, I don't even realize how much I write sometimes...

    you should remember that, it is stated in Ra material that the teachings and methods of the group that contacted south american group was twisted after some time, leading to human sacrifice.

    in short, what the south american contact group had taught south americans, was not the same with what you are describing.

    in spirituality the word sacred is linked to regenerative concepts, not destructive concepts.

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    04-24-2011, 09:54 AM
    (04-24-2011, 09:31 AM)unity100 Wrote: in spirituality the word sacred is linked to regenerative concepts, not destructive concepts.

    I agree there with unity100.

    I think if pure logic is applied, then anything can be justified in infinite creation. But as conscious co-creators, it is our responsibility to help sprout beauty and joy as much as possible, rather than contemplating evolution through pain and suffering. Such thinking from strong-willed entities can impact weak willed entities randomly with much pain.

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    04-24-2011, 10:29 AM
    (04-24-2011, 09:31 AM)unity100 Wrote: in spirituality the word sacred is linked to regenerative concepts, not destructive concepts.

    :idea::idea::idea:

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    04-24-2011, 10:36 AM
    (04-24-2011, 10:29 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: :idea::idea::idea:

    Monica appears in a very happy mood. Smile

    How have you been, Monica?

    I have no intention to derail the thread. Just thought of saying hi to you, since it has been sometime.

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    04-24-2011, 11:00 AM
    (04-24-2011, 10:36 AM)Confused Wrote: Monica appears in a very happy mood. Smile

    How have you been, Monica?

    I have no intention to derail the thread. Just thought of saying hi to you, since it has been sometime.

    Wonderful! There is much to be happy about. Thank you! Heart
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    04-24-2011, 09:30 PM
    I'm uncomfortable with the counter arguments toward Azrael's viewpoints. (That's as best I can put it.)

    Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here that I will read: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds the belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for the individual to reach ‘nirvana,” as it is called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities to aid an individual to grow more into the Law of One?”
    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

    The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One, thus preserving the primal distortion of free will.

    The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming, thus, creates the further environment for holding on to that which apparently has been overcome.

    All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate distortion shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

    It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

    Categories: Balancing, Positive Path

    18.6 Questioner: Basically I would say that to infringe upon the free will of another entity would be the basic thing never to do under the Law of One. Can you state any other breaking of the Law of One than this basic rule?
    Ra: I am Ra. As one proceeds from the primal distortion of free will, one proceeds to the understanding of the focal points of intelligent energy which have created the intelligences or the ways of a particular mind/body/spirit complex in its environment, both what you would call natural and what you would call man-made. Thus, the distortions to be avoided are those which do not take into consideration the distortions of the focus of energy of love/light, or shall we say, the Logos of this particular sphere or density. These include the lack of understanding of the needs of the natural environment, the needs of other-selves’ mind/body/spirit complexes. These are many due to the various distortions of man-made complexes in which the intelligence and awareness of entities themselves have chosen a way of using the energies available.

    Thus, what would be an improper distortion with one entity is proper with another. We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness. In many cases this does not involve the breaking of the distortion of free will into a distortion or fragmentation called infringement. However, it is a delicate matter to be of service, and compassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful in avoiding the distortions of man-made intelligence and awareness.

    The area or arena called the societal complex is an arena in which there are no particular needs for care for it is the prerogative/honor/duty of those in the particular planetary sphere to act according to their free will for the attempted aid of the social complex.

    Thus, you have two simple directives: awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in nature, awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in self to be shared when it seems appropriate by the entity with the social complex, and you have one infinitely subtle and various set of distortions of which you may be aware; that is, distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit.

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    º"what would be an improper distortion with one entity is proper with another.
    º do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness.
    ºcompassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful in avoiding the distortions of man-made intelligence and awareness.
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    , distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit."

    I will write this on a post it and stick it to my computer screen if you will too.
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    04-24-2011, 10:54 PM
    (04-24-2011, 09:30 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm uncomfortable with the counter arguments toward Azrael's viewpoints. (That's as best I can put it.)

    Hmmm...you got me thinking there, 3.

    I guess some of the strong arguments were due to the fact that just may be, there was glimpse of slight vindication in Azrael's post for the type of gross acts that the Mayans did. May be that is my faulty perception of his words; which could have very well meant something different..

    I have personally found much wisdom and spiritual light in Azrael's earlier posts. But I guess as brothers and sisters of one another, we can wave the wand of objection if something seems awry. Some wonderful brothers and sisters on this forum have done that with me, and I am better because of it.

    Thanks for pulling up all the Ra quotes, mate. Always good to remember them.
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    04-25-2011, 01:59 AM (This post was last modified: 04-25-2011, 02:00 AM by Monica.)
    (04-24-2011, 09:30 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: º"what would be an improper distortion with one entity is proper with another.
    º do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness.
    ºcompassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful in avoiding the distortions of man-made intelligence and awareness.
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    , distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit."

    Ra stated in the very first session, that they wished to convey the resolution of paradox.

    As with any deep text, it may appear at first glance to be riddled with paradox, but upon deeper study, it may be realized that the paradox is often resolved.

    So too with this issue. The quote you just posted provides a facet of understanding, but must be balanced with other facets.

    Here is another facet:

    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...9#pid36939

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    04-26-2011, 12:38 AM
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    04-26-2011, 01:07 AM
    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: I see a lot of quoting of Ra and very little use of the Law of One in practice when it comes to communication, there is much bias here.

    Ouch, that spar hurts deep, Azrael Confused

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Polarization is not bias, it is preference.

    Wow, that is truly a gem of a statement. Takes so much of the sting of judgment and cognitive discrimination away.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Would you turn a student away if they don't understand or accept the teachings because of your own preferences?

    Wonder who the student is and who the teacher is here! Looks like great teachers come in the garb of humble unknowing students Wink
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    04-26-2011, 01:15 AM
    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Wouldn't the resolution thus be that every path is a positive path and "positive" and "negative" are only distinctions to denote two primary characteristics of a sentient, ensouled being?

    Each density has certain characteristics. 3D has the characteristic of being the density of Choice.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Ra has no polarization, which would suggest to me that even though he is aware of both the paths, the RECOMMENDATION is the path is STO, but it seems very clear the STS is equally valid.

    Correct. Ra is anapologetically biased in favor of STO, and have the intention of answering the call of STO entities.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: The images of the two paths are the confusing matter, the concepts of "good and evil" which is absurd.

    Ultimately, both paths are equally valid. However, at this nexus, we must choose.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Also, I continue to be told that "this is how it is in this density at this time", but as a rational, inquisitive human being how can I take that on a whim when I have read other teachings that suggest a more malleable state?

    This is subject to subjective opinion. I personally believe that 3D reality is very, very malleable.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: No one has asked me how I have interpreted what I have read of the Law of One,

    Azrael, how have you interpreted the Law of One?

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: it seems to me there is almost a discrimination here towards those whom consider themselves "STO".

    Yes. Ra is biased towards STO. Other, STS entities may assist those who are biased towards STS. Ra is not God.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: I see a lot of quoting of Ra and very little use of the Law of One in practice when it comes to communication,

    You may have a valid point there. It's far easier to wax eloquent than it is it apply the principles.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: there is much bias here.

    Yes. Unapologetically so. It is not our task to provide a welcome to those seeking STS polarization.

    (04-26-2011, 12:38 AM)Azrael Wrote: Polarization is not bias, it is preference. I intend to make a thread regarding these concerns. Would you turn a student away if they don't understand or accept the teachings because of your own preferences?

    No one is turned away, provided they honor the guidelines.

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    04-26-2011, 01:18 AM
    That flattery was a little more subtle. Tongue Please do not fill my head, it has enough going on as it is aha

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    04-26-2011, 01:27 AM
    (04-26-2011, 01:18 AM)Azrael Wrote: That flattery was a little more subtle. Tongue Please do not fill my head, it has enough going on as it is aha

    He he he RollEyes I am getting good at it then.

    As they say, practice makes one perfect Tongue

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    Oy vey

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    (04-23-2011, 11:03 AM)Confused Wrote:
    (04-23-2011, 10:45 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: As Carla says in book 5, meditation isn't for everyone, but if you put some time into it, you will find some benefit Heart I promise Smile

    Thank you, Edinburgh. That is truly nice and really kind of you.

    By the way, you seem to be a great fan of the Scottish city Wink

    Sorry it took so long to reply ... I wanted to spend more time meditating and go offline for a while. I went back and re-read key parts of book 1 and 2 and tried to get back to living LOO and focus less on debating LOO (nothing wrong with debating either - everything in its place).

    Did you try some meditation and balancing?

    And yes, I love Edinburgh, it's where I'm from. (Hence me choosing it as my online name is a bit unoriginal! )
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