The mysterious nature of time

[zenmaster]

It would seem there is plenty of information available on the use of crystal, as shamans in different parts of the world are being trained in their use. As far as I know they 'work' in conjunction with 'higher vibration' states. For me personally, raising vibrations is required and requires a short period of time to adjust and explore before any working.

[native]

Also, I have experienced that a high energy crystal will aid in raising your vibration in the general sense..as in your basic state of being..in conjunction with inner transformative work. I recommend to any seeker to get one, as you will notice marked differences in many areas.

The first time I held a herkimer crystal the energy was strong..you could feel that vibrational tingle. I would take it to work with me and hold it off and on throughout the day. Small spots in my muscles would twitch frequently. I realized that you don't want to carry it every day, as the energy becomes draining. Generally speaking I don't like to carry a high energy crystal anymore. Over time the strong vibration dissipated as I became in-tune with it, though I am still able to feel its energy of course.

[3DMonkey]

Where do you guys find this great stuff? Is there a local lady who keeps a barrel around that I could reach into, swish around, let some crystals filter through my fingers.

[native]

Yeah, go to a metaphysical store if there are any around. Ideally it's nice to pick one out in person, but you could order one if you'd like. If there aren't any stores nearby I could go get a herkimer and send it to you.

[zenmaster]

Where do you guys find this great stuff? Is there a local lady who keeps a barrel around that I could reach into, swish around, let some crystals filter through my fingers.

I started by looking at their 'metaphysical' properties and finding the ones that seemed to be 'resonant' with some purpose. (Some of the crystals I purchased were from healingcrystals.com.) Later, I've found shamans that use them professionally and they've taught me how they may be used. Interestingly, but I guess not surprisingly, after you get familiar with how they structure and amplify energy, you can just 'think' about that feeling and the actual local presence of the crystal becomes unnecessary. A lot of the stuff that, at one point, I discounted as 'flaky', 'new-agey' imagination (due to their inability to offer satisfactory explanations, and my inability to translate the terminology) I eventually learned was a legitimate practice of 'adepthood'. These individuals tend to be remarkably strong, deep-seeking, patient and caring and immediately distinguish themselves from the 'pack' due to lack of fear, abundant honesty and of course what they are able to 'do'.

Contrasted with that, I've found that although the incarnated wanderer may rapidly approach green ray, due to inherent biases, on the whole, there seems to be a big resistance to moving beyond that. Many seem to get stuck or nested in the basic, initial green phase of egalitarianism, and 'everyone is right', fearing rejection and disapproval as somehow being indicative of lack of compassion or 'STS', anthropomorphising the planet, etc. Continued progress beyond 'green' seems to take dedication which apparently few feel is possible or necessary.

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'Time' not necessarily deeply rooted in our brains

Hidden away in the Amazonian rainforest a small tribe have successfully managed what so many dream of being able to do – to ignore the pressures of time so successfully that they don’t even have a word for it.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-05-ne...rains.html

[Confused]

These individuals tend to be remarkably strong, deep-seeking, patient and caring and immediately distinguish themselves from the 'pack' due to lack of fear, abundant honesty and of course what they are able to 'do'.

What do you mean by that shaded portion, zenmaster? I would love to have more clarity on that.

[zenmaster]

These individuals tend to be remarkably strong, deep-seeking, patient and caring and immediately distinguish themselves from the 'pack' due to lack of fear, abundant honesty and of course what they are able to 'do'.

What do you mean by that shaded portion, zenmaster? I would love to have more clarity on that.

'Psychic' stuff generally - telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, remote viewing, healing, remote healing, navigation of mind, the inner planes - what everyone is capable of at some point.

[Ankh]

Later, I've found shamans that use them professionally and they've taught me how they may be used.

Do you "clean" them?

[zenmaster]

The ones I like the most don't need 'cleaning' for some reason - citrine and moldavite. I have 'cleaned' them for first time use anyway, however. Let them sit and 'charge' (but, truly, I don't understand this beyond the 'power of intention') on my balcony for a couple of days.

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"Being and Becoming"

A concise explanation of how Evolutionary Enlightenment combines the timeless ground of being with the forward movement of creation itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HwqGUkxbA

[Ankh]

From what I've heard people leave "energy fingerprints" on things that they touch. So when an object is obtained in a store for instance, it has been touched by others and it means that the object has been "charged", more or less, with the energy that others leave, consciously or unconsciously, behind them by touching. So before one "charges" the object with its own energy the object needs to be "cleaned" from others energies before one proceeds to work with it. But truly I don't understand this completely either. It does sound logical to me when put like that, but I guess that there is no way of knowing it other than start practice it.

[3DMonkey]

"Being and Becoming"

A concise explanation of how Evolutionary Enlightenment combines the timeless ground of being with the forward movement of creation itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0HwqGUkxbA

That's a really cool guy there. Only, he hasn't explained anything but regular life.

It's like you can program a robot to catch a ball by detailing the entire process, or you can just use what nature gave you to catch the ball without any explanation.

Maybe the purpose in all this is to evolutionarily create artificial intelligence.

(is Zenmaster the guy in the audience?)

[zenmaster]

That's a really cool guy there. Only, he hasn't explained anything but regular life.

What is not 'regular life'? The mere ability to articulate 'regular life', to share, to interpret, and especially to translate the experience, can be important for 'teach/learn'-ing. His point was that there are some that keep pointing to the place that gets you 'free', long after it's served its usefulness. Also the 'catching the ball' interpretation is something eventually transcended, as well.

[3DMonkey]

That's a really cool guy there. Only, he hasn't explained anything but regular life.

What is not 'regular life'? The mere ability to articulate 'regular life', to share, to interpret, and especially to translate the experience, can be important for 'teach/learn'-ing. His point was that there are some that keep pointing to the place that gets you 'free', long after it's served its usefulness.

Yes. That is what I'm saying. So, whether he puts it in those terms or the terms of this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgiUm4lQig), the results are the same. Life.


I can't see how the catch the ball concept is transcended. Please explain.

[zenmaster]

From what I've heard people leave "energy fingerprints" on things that they touch. So when an object is obtained in a store for instance, it has been touched by others and it means that the object has been "charged", more or less, with the energy that others leave, consciously or unconsciously, behind them by touching.

Consider that the energy imprinting is 'strong' enough to cause a 'place' or mineral to graduate to 3rd density.

So before one "charges" the object with its own energy the object needs to be "cleaned" from others energies before one proceeds to work with it. But truly I don't understand this completely either. It does sound logical to me when put like that, but I guess that there is no way of knowing it other than start practice it.

Some sensitives can feel and 'see' more of this residual energy than others. I can get an impression by holding it or focusing, but I don't know the principles of how they aid. I mainly got them out of curiosity, and they still seem like gadgets to me. (Shamans like gadgets.) I prefer to work just using active imagination - the crystal does seem to focus intent. For some reason, if I'm around other 'workers', my own abilities are increased significantly.

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I can't see how the catch the ball concept is transcended. Please explain.

Let's say you have the space-time awareness to contrast the very real 'presence' with the very real 'illusion' (being vs doing, in the zone, in the now, etc and so on). This awareness, even though it 'seems' to come from a transcendent view, itself has a 'place' that is merely a part of the realization of 'one'. The experience of 'now' is necessarily interpretive (from prior experience), even with the relative freedom that comes from a modality of what some might call 'egoless-ness'. Although you can be somewhat disengaged with the illusion, that seems compelling to many, there is still one's own incomplete (due to being unrealized) 'illusion'.

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So, whether he puts it in those terms or the terms of this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgiUm4lQig), the results are the same. Life.

Can't argue that what it has to be is life - in the zen sense.

[Ankh]

Consider that the energy imprinting is 'strong' enough to cause a 'place' or mineral to graduate to 3rd density.

Do you mean that "cleaning" would then cause missed graduation for the mineral?

[native]

Zen..what is your experience in using a specific colored crystal to work with a particular energy center?

My intuitive opinion would be that it should aid somewhat, but that any crystal will help focus that energy. While certain crystals do have certain properties and you should utilize that knowledge, but perhaps it is best to find one that resonates with you the most and use that frequently?

Obviously catalyst is the best way to work with specific energy and remove blockages. I'm just wondering if say, an aquamarine crystal would help with communication.

[3DMonkey]

I can't see how the catch the ball concept is transcended. Please explain.

Let's say you have the space-time awareness to contrast the very real 'presence' with the very real 'illusion' (being vs doing, in the zone, in the now, etc and so on). This awareness, even though it 'seems' to come from a transcendent view, itself has a 'place' that is merely a part of the realization of 'one'. The experience of 'now' is necessarily interpretive (from prior experience), even with the relative freedom that comes from a modality of what some might call 'egoless-ness'. Although you can be somewhat disengaged with the illusion, that seems compelling to many, there is still one's own incomplete (due to being unrealized) 'illusion'.

I don't understand what you are saying.

I think the guy is really good. I haven't studied his presentation. (if only the camera would zoom out so I could see his two charts, lol). It seems to me that he doesn't realize the Negative chart is the same thing as the Becoming chart. Does he really think that 'becoming' is different than the personality chart? I say they are one in the same. So, the zero point is still the desired point, the common ground, and the essence of the One.

My 'throw/catch the ball' is to demonstrate that it all occurs regardless of our mind's ability to break it down into explainable pieces. There is no need to break it down, explain it, 'teach' it, but only to demonstrate it, which we can't escape because all is a demonstration.

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So, modality is unnecessary. So, why explain the evolution? What benefit do we get from explaining what's happening as it's happening? Are there bits and pieces of the structure that can be isolated and manipulated to create new compounds from enlightenment? Are we trying to make enlightenment alloys that are stronger, lighter, and resist friction?

A funny story. Yesterday, my son, my daughter, and I were eating chocolate together. My son offered his sister a bite. It was so small, his finger went into her mouth. She didn't realize it was a finger and slowly bit down with increasing applied pressure. I watched my son's face go silent with pain. (for some reason he didn't shout out to stop her). Once she realized what she had done (she drew blood), she released. He cried out in pain, and she cried out with regret when she realized what she had done.

Both, sitting with me, crying. I started to explain to them the dynamics of what just occurred, and how it happened. This did nothing for their learning or to console them. I finally said, it is all okay, it was an accident, accidents happen, and we will all feel better in a little while. Then, they stopped crying, and we went about our day with happiness.

So, analyzing and calculating the mechanics of catching a ball isn't necessary at all. You just do it. You move forward.

We don't need to know this is the only moment of existence, Now. It just IS, and we do whatever it is we do in that moment. We never have control of the moment. We aren't transcending anything intentionally. Stuff is being transcended. Stuff is being experienced. Stuff is bombarding the senses. Meditation is not a method to find the center, for example. Meditation is just another form of experience wrought with catalyst of the mind, body, and spirit.

What is my point? I don't know.

[Confused]

This is I found interesting in terms of the current planetary changes in the flow of linear time --

The Ageless Wisdom of Esoteric Astrology

[zenmaster]

Consider that the energy imprinting is 'strong' enough to cause a 'place' or mineral to graduate to 3rd density.

Do you mean that "cleaning" would then cause missed graduation for the mineral?

Actually, I was emphasizing the degree of impressionability. I suppose after a certain amount of 'investment', you'd need something like nuclear blast to 'clean'. But for mental patterns and emotions, it seems like the sunlight or moonlight does the trick.

[zenmaster]

Zen..what is your experience in using a specific colored crystal to work with a particular energy center?

I have yet to see an association of crystal color to center color, but I am new at it. It reminds me of the intuitive notion of things having a similar nature having some affinity. Such as with the notion of "certain foods that look like various parts of the body also benefits those parts. Examples include that sliced carrots look like the eye and are nourishing to the eyes or tomatoes are red and have four chambers and benefit the heart." Does the (red) ruby work on the red chakra? "The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application."

My intuitive opinion would be that it should aid somewhat, but that any crystal will help focus that energy. While certain crystals do have certain properties and you should utilize that knowledge, but perhaps it is best to find one that resonates with you the most and use that frequently?

I think that it is best to find one that 'resonates' with you the most. Since a congruent, resonant attitude is also central to the working. I think a shaman would be all about holding a crystal and identifying the feeling of the energy imparted. Over time, I think the familiarity of vibration with various crystals would allow for a skillful choice. There is a natural feedback to your mind that would suggest efficacy.

Obviously catalyst is the best way to work with specific energy and remove blockages. I'm just wondering if say, an aquamarine crystal would help with communication.

I'm not saying it's purely psychosomatic, but one's particular expectation is an important 'pattern of understanding' that orients oneself to certain 'results'. In magical working, this is the purpose of the ritual. The way I see is it that intention seems to be primary. And only once you understand the subtleties of your intention (and expectations) does the type of crystal itself start to become more of a contributing influence to a finer result.

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I say they are one in the same. So, the zero point is still the desired point, the common ground, and the essence of the One.

The zero point is always there. I think he was emphasizing that some teachers guide towards it. But it's obviously not an evolutionary context as it is, well the 'ground of being'. The ground of being is not self, it's the template for the self. The present moment does not make things self evident - will does. Self evidence is evolutionary.

[3DMonkey]

@ zenmaster

...and I would add 'inevitable'.

[zenmaster]

...and I would add 'inevitable'.

Of course, and we are given as much 'time' as we want.

[3DMonkey]

...and I would add 'inevitable'.

Of course, and we are given as much 'time' as we want.

Yes, and it's not necessary to obtain a degree in botany to plant an oak tree. Don't think the "adepts" are more advanced than their suboctave density. Just because they can levitate or read minds doesn't mean they are at a higher octave than John Doe down the street.

[native]

Does the (red) ruby work on the red chakra? "The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application."

Yeah that seems to be the answer, then Ra also mentions how the ruby is a manifestation of the red ray so who knows how that relates.

The way I see is it that intention seems to be primary. And only once you understand the subtleties of your intention (and expectations) does the type of crystal itself start to become more of a contributing influence to a finer result.

I have always viewed crystals as energizers of thought/energy, or amplifiers.

[zenmaster]

I have always viewed crystals as energizers of thought/energy, or amplifiers.

Could be? But why? Amplifying over what? What is the desirable level? Is it analogous to raising one's voice? Does it provide a higher signal-to-noise ratio? Is it some kind of necessary 'crutch', because of general weakness of 'impure' thoughts?

[native]

Ok..wrong choice of words. If crystals are frozen light, then they seem to be a gateway to focus intelligent energy into the person utilizing it as long as they are crystallized themselves. Or rather they work congruently together as the crystal and the user harmonize. The purer the individual the better they work, as they 'energize' and focus your intention in an intelligent fashion.

[Oceania]

i guess time is reeeally slow for 1st density.

[3DMonkey]

i guess time is reeeally slow for 1st density.

Depends on how you look at it

[Confused]

This video I watched today fascinated me so deeply. The LOO made it very interesting for me personally and slightly intelligible. It is completely a secular video though. I hope those who choose to watch share their perspectives involving things like Higgs Boson (god particle), CERN, ultimate mystery of time, etc. Thanks

The Mystery of Empty Space

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duration: About 43 minutes

Very interesting and very short video on the deepest essence of black holes. I of course do not know the veracity personally, but I found this concept very interesting --

Code-Key of the Universe
duration: Just over six minutes

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The entire YouTube channel of this individual (Corrie) is very interesting, in my opinion. It makes for great discussion material, I think --

http://www.youtube.com/user/Aromaz2012

[Confused]

Felt like sharing this article --

Man stands, or hangs, poised between his past and his future