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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters "Thrive" is amazing must watch!

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    11-17-2011, 11:41 AM
    I think Zenmaster was just relaying his first impression after watching the trailer. He didn't say anything of people that want to watch it. Neither anything of the validity of content.

    I can't speak for him (waaay too difficult Wink), but I've read him express that he has a clear definition of what he considers "new age". I don't think he categorizes to be everything we talk about. ... But I'm sure he will clarify when he comes back online.
    We all have our reasons for being here. Is one more appropriate than another?
    (11-17-2011, 10:08 AM)Oceania Wrote: it's frustrating when i can't see a time when most people will watch this movie. because it isn't "entertainment".

    Ouch Tongue
    "entertainment" is kinda the 3DMonkey argument Sad

    I was just thinking this movie is a commercial Shy
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    11-17-2011, 12:15 PM
    it's not a commercial. it's spreading awareness.

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    11-17-2011, 12:16 PM (This post was last modified: 11-17-2011, 12:34 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (11-17-2011, 11:41 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: He didn't say anything of people that want to watch it.

    Nor did I say he said anything about said people. I referred to the "things and ideas" that said people post.

    3DMonkey Wrote:Neither anything of the validity of content.

    zenmaster Wrote:Looks like a massive amount of new-age crap packed into two hours.

    Huh

    3DMonkey Wrote:I can't speak for him (waaay too difficult Wink), but I've read him express that he has a clear definition of what he considers "new age".

    Then don't. Speaking on behalf of others tends to derail threads. As you well know.

    Quote:I don't think he categorizes to be everything we talk about. ... But I'm sure he will clarify when he comes back online.

    It would appear to be anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" or "fringe science". While there is certainly a bunch of hogwash being promulgated in these areas, perhaps it would be more productive to root out the kernels of truth, rather then to just dismiss things out of hand.

    3DMonkey Wrote:We all have our reasons for being here. Is one more appropriate than another?

    The primary purpose of a forum- any forum- is for exchange of ideas and information. Many members are here because they perceive this to be a "safe space" to talk about taboo topics.

    This would involve the ability to post about such topics without having every thread derailed by the same characters- in the same fashion- over and over again. It kind of sucks the joy out of participating, and makes said characters appear as emotional vampires.

    Except for the ones who view this forum as mere "entertainment". In which case, trying to get a rise out of others, and various derailing tactics, are entirely appropriate. Childish, but appropriate.

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    #34
    11-17-2011, 12:19 PM
    Monkey, Zen, watch the movie or stop bitching about it. you're describing what it looks like when you haven't seen it.

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    11-17-2011, 12:43 PM
    (11-16-2011, 11:04 AM)zack231 Wrote: I know man of you have heard about this film which was released on 11 11 11 it is amazing and a must watch! I loved it so much it just had everything can't wait to wake my family up with it!

    Broken link... here is another:

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    11-17-2011, 01:51 PM
    (11-17-2011, 12:19 PM)Oceania Wrote: Monkey, Zen, watch the movie or stop bitching about it. you're describing what it looks like when you haven't seen it.

    I'm just being honest. Exchanging my ideas. Expressing what is inside me. Putting it on the forum. You can do what you want with it.

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    (11-17-2011, 12:16 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    (11-17-2011, 11:41 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: He didn't say anything of people that want to watch it.

    Nor did I say he said anything about said people. I referred to the "things and ideas" that said people post.

    3DMonkey Wrote:Neither anything of the validity of content.

    zenmaster Wrote:Looks like a massive amount of new-age crap packed into two hours.

    Huh

    3DMonkey Wrote:I can't speak for him (waaay too difficult Wink), but I've read him express that he has a clear definition of what he considers "new age".

    Then don't. Speaking on behalf of others tends to derail threads. As you well know.

    Quote:I don't think he categorizes to be everything we talk about. ... But I'm sure he will clarify when he comes back online.

    It would appear to be anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" or "fringe science". While there is certainly a bunch of hogwash being promulgated in these areas, perhaps it would be more productive to root out the kernels of truth, rather then to just dismiss things out of hand.

    3DMonkey Wrote:We all have our reasons for being here. Is one more appropriate than another?

    The primary purpose of a forum- any forum- is for exchange of ideas and information. Many members are here because they perceive this to be a "safe space" to talk about taboo topics.

    This would involve the ability to post about such topics without having every thread derailed by the same characters- in the same fashion- over and over again. It kind of sucks the joy out of participating, and makes said characters appear as emotional vampires.

    Except for the ones who view this forum as mere "entertainment". In which case, trying to get a rise out of others, and various derailing tactics, are entirely appropriate. Childish, but appropriate.

    As an exchange of my idea, I find zenmaster to be a person that does not dismiss anything out of hand that enters his perception. And I am speaking for myself.

    For the record, he didn't derail the thread.

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    11-17-2011, 03:38 PM (This post was last modified: 11-17-2011, 03:39 PM by native.)
    The video is useful as a Wake Up 101 introduction, as it starts the seeking process.

    There will initially be finger pointing, but that only induces separation. Ultimately we need to use these issues as opportunities for self-reflection, as the answers always begin and end within. Personally, I don't think we're ready for free energy. The argument that suppressing it helps keep the control structure in place is a good one (probably a lot of truth to that), but I think this issue ultimately involves a spiritual barrier that we have yet to overcome. Ra tells us so..

    Quote:52.2 "The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos which, when carried much further, may evolve into technology capable of using the gravitic effects of which we spoke.

    We note that this term is not accurate but there is no closer term. Therefore, the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm.

    To the disciplined entity, all things are open and free. The discipline which opens the universes opens also the gateways to evolution. The difference is that of choosing either to hitchhike to a place where beauty may be seen or to walk, step by step, independent and free in this independence to praise the strength to walk and the opportunity for the awareness of beauty.

    The hitchhiker, instead, is distracted by conversation and the vagaries of the road and, dependent upon the whims of others, is concerned to make the appointment in time. The hitchhiker sees the same beauty but has not prepared itself for the establishment, in the roots of mind, of the experience."

    In the above, Ra is explicitly stating that free energy will not open the "gateways to evolution". In other words, it is not the answer to our problems, because the "roots of mind" are not ready for it.

    What Ra suggests is that we work on the self, "knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm". This means reflecting on the how our problems got out of control, our personal relationship to their contribution (participation), and what is the least judgmental way of fixing them. If we are serious about our spiritual evolution, we really need to be supporting the message of looking within, rather than placing blame on others. Ra has said it in many ways.

    We won't be able to take from the universe until we learn to give.
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    #38
    11-17-2011, 04:09 PM
    Monkey what's up with you? you seem to be coming from a place of random silliness and cynicism. WATCH THE VIDEO then talk to me. or talk to the hand. *hand*

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    11-17-2011, 05:49 PM
    (11-17-2011, 03:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: The video is useful as a Wake Up 101 introduction, as it starts the seeking process.

    A promo. A commercial. Nothing wrong with saying that.
    2 minutes in and I already disagree that the natural course of nature is to thrive.
    No, it IS to survive.
    Okay. Torus talk is very cool. ... He said 12 BigSmile
    I'm hooked at 20:00 BigSmile Tongue Blush

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    11-17-2011, 07:01 PM
    only 30 minutes in. I love it so far. It is very entertaining Tongue (stop commentating and just watch it)
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    11-17-2011, 07:14 PM (This post was last modified: 11-17-2011, 07:15 PM by Namaste.)
    (11-17-2011, 07:01 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: only 30 minutes in. I love it so far. It is very entertaining Tongue (stop commentating and just watch it)

    Do you wish you had a torus space ship? :p

    Found it quite amusing watching them buzz around in that :¬)
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    11-17-2011, 07:25 PM
    (11-17-2011, 03:38 PM)Icaro Wrote: In the above, Ra is explicitly stating that free energy will not open the "gateways to evolution". In other words, it is not the answer to our problems, because the "roots of mind" are not ready for it.

    What about this quote, though, which suggests that it would be helpful for the social complex and for increasing the harvest if free energy were allowed to "open the gates to intelligent infinity," and that it's the use of Tesla-type technology for destructive purposes that causes the blockage?

    Quote:8.2 Questioner: There was a portion of the material from yesterday which I will read where you say “there is a certain amount of landing taking place. Some of these landings are of your own people; some are of the group known to you as Orion.” My first question is what did you mean that some of the landings are of your peoples?

    Ra: I am Ra. Your peoples have, at this time/space present, the technological achievement, if you would call it that, of being able to create and fly the shape and type of craft known to you as unidentified flying objects. Unfortunately for the social memory complex vibratory rate of your peoples, these devices are not intended for the service of mankind, but for potential destructive use. This further muddles the vibratory nexus of your social memory complex, causing a situation where neither those oriented towards serving others nor those oriented towards serving self can gain the energy/power which opens the gates to intelligent infinity for the social memory complex. This in turn causes the harvest to be small.

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    11-17-2011, 07:35 PM
    free energy according to Ra releases people from distraction. they are free to meditate. of course if they spend that time watching two and a half men i can't do anything about that
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    11-17-2011, 08:07 PM
    Patents :@ (told ya)


    but seriously, at 52:00 I'm thinking FML
    1:33 soooo depressing Sad

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    11-17-2011, 09:56 PM
    LMAO. Worst plan ever.
    Two thumbs down

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    11-17-2011, 10:05 PM (This post was last modified: 11-17-2011, 10:14 PM by zenmaster.)
    (11-17-2011, 09:40 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Could you be more specific?

    What do you consider "new-age crap?"
    Just stuff promoted to be 'answers' when it's vague nonsense. Same crap as DW's "Is there a stargate in your brain".

    (11-17-2011, 09:40 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Is it bad or harmful?
    No, it's entertainment after all. Although the website does have a disclaimer about any injury caused by visiting it.
    (11-17-2011, 09:40 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: What in this trailer is included in this assessment?
    Yes. Watched the trailer. Same practicality as "What the Bleep" or "Zeitgeist" - look what that's accomplished and see what Thrive will accomplish.

    (11-17-2011, 09:40 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Isn't this whole forum and the channeled messages its based on a massive amount of "new-age crap?"
    The channeled messages were actually fairly straightforward and practical.

    Look, let's get people in an uproar about being denied suppressed technology instead of having them think for themselves, for a change. The entitlement mentality is ridiculous and seems to apply to everything within one's imagination.
    (11-17-2011, 07:25 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: What about this quote, though, which suggests that it would be helpful for the social complex and for increasing the harvest if free energy were allowed to "open the gates to intelligent infinity,"
    I don't think that's what is meant at all. They are saying the conditions which cause the current choices to be made are part of the potential which the overall social complex has provided at this time - down to every last person. The "craft" or "free energy" is allegory for the type of development required for self - that is the "embodiment" of the transcendent function. Why it holds fascination and even numinosity for so many. In other words, the ability to choose is the choice. That is what opens the gates.

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    11-17-2011, 10:28 PM
    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, let's get people in an uproar about being denied suppressed technology instead of having them think for themselves, for a change. The entitlement mentality is ridiculous and seems to apply to everything within one's imagination.

    That is exactly what it is. The torus stuff at the beginning was very intriguing, but it turned out to be empty substance for the whole of the film.

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    11-17-2011, 10:36 PM
    (11-17-2011, 10:28 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:
    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, let's get people in an uproar about being denied suppressed technology instead of having them think for themselves, for a change. The entitlement mentality is ridiculous and seems to apply to everything within one's imagination.

    That is exactly what it is. The torus stuff at the beginning was very intriguing, but it turned out to be empty substance for the whole of the film.

    It's a symbol. Something to stimulate the unconscious. Basically, the recipe is to create vague, but powerful ideas, imply some connection between them, and let your mind fill in the blanks according to its biases and preconceived notions. That's what makes it compelling. It attempts to grab a hold of something "suspected" to be the case in one's imagination, and treat it as if the idea were real. Many people have not developed sufficient discernment or will to know the difference between what is actionable and what is merely still of the unconscious, full of libidinous energy, and seemingly in the realm of possibility (i.e. entertainment).

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    11-18-2011, 12:13 AM (This post was last modified: 11-18-2011, 12:14 AM by Bring4th_Austin.)
    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, let's get people in an uproar about being denied suppressed technology instead of having them think for themselves, for a change. The entitlement mentality is ridiculous and seems to apply to everything within one's imagination.

    You mean getting emotional about something clouds progress?




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    11-18-2011, 06:04 AM (This post was last modified: 11-18-2011, 10:07 AM by Namaste.)
    Zen, with all due respect, in your path of balancing and evolution you seem (from what I've seen of you on this forum, which of course is not the entire picture) to view anyone who tries to offer something inspirational and educational (let's not forget the masses are awfully uneducated and programmed not to think) with any hint of positive spirituality (love, peace, unity) as of little, or zero worth.

    What the Bleep and Zeitgeist have helped awaken a lot of people (I know this from personal experience). As will Thrive. Ra's own words were to the effect that even if they helped one person, their mission was accomplished. It has been of benefit.

    Many - many - people are not able to think for themselves as easily as others due to the limiting environment they were brought up in. That's the nature of third density. Reaching those people is not the same as reaching someone as yourself (with the education and intellectual development in which to digest and understand the Ra Material). It requires information that uses the lowest common denominator, easy to consume, and not too much in one go. If Thrive makes some people think "hang on, this is interesting, what else can I find out?", or "free energy, I had no idea!", it's been worth it. It's helping another seek the Self and open the mind. They then begin to think for themselves.

    If it wasn't for people following their heart and trying to help other people to awaken to a greater picture, humanity would not get anywhere. Looking at the situation and saying "Well, it's all catalyst and symbols, all is learning, I'll just leave it as that" is not helpful. In fact there would be no point in Wanderers even incarnating if that was the adopted attitude.

    Wanderers are here to help others and this planet. Whether that's through science or spirituality is negligible, as each will attract certain types of people at varying levels of spiritual, emotional and intellectual understanding. To judge the efforts of these people in a negative fashion not only polarises in one direction (and it's certainly not acceptance; love), it also misses the point of being of service to others, consciously responding to the call of Earth (to the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow).

    Yes, it is all symbols and reflections. Yes, it is all catalyst, and yes, it is all meaningless until we give it meaning. Reaching that point of understanding means one has far transcended the normal level of education and understanding. It takes time to get to that level, and only a small spark is needed to start that process. That spark is often videos like Thrive and What the Bleep. They open the door. They get people thinking.
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    11-18-2011, 08:12 AM
    (11-17-2011, 10:28 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: That is exactly what it is. The torus stuff at the beginning was very intriguing, but it turned out to be empty substance for the whole of the film.

    so you didn't like it then?
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    (11-17-2011, 07:30 AM)Meerie Wrote: I am sure the other candidates are not an inch better, trust me.
    I just think it is kind of ironic that Monica (and you) who is of the opinion that killing animals is bad, supports a guy who seems to be in favor of guns.
    So what are guns used for? killing.

    I can certainly see the irony.

    Like Austin said, Americans love guns. We all have one, right? I own a .22 caliber rifle. Nothing to brag about, at least not to Americans, LOL.

    Ron Paul is as honest as he can be about government. After watching "Thrive", I'm of the opinion that any "good" government of the future would be one that absolutely separates itself from the banks. I don't have a clue how that would work, but it just seems like the proper step to gain integrity as a true governing body.



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    11-18-2011, 09:04 AM
    what the bleep was so nothing like thrive. and Zen, have you actually watched it or are you talking about the trailer?

    Monkey, i dunno how you can say that. it's not about entitlement, it's the opposite.

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    11-18-2011, 09:48 AM
    I enjoyed the first thirty minutes. It was thought provoking and encouraged creativity. Ultimately is was used as an empty promise to solidify a mentality of disgust for the current human race. Then the final thirty minutes was a commercial for idealistic, "feel good" steps that are not practical.

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    11-18-2011, 10:02 AM (This post was last modified: 11-18-2011, 10:09 AM by Namaste.)
    (11-18-2011, 09:48 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I enjoyed the first thirty minutes. It was thought provoking and encouraged creativity. Ultimately is was used as an empty promise to solidify a mentality of disgust for the current human race. Then the final thirty minutes was a commercial for idealistic, "feel good" steps that are not practical.

    I agree I enjoyed the first 30 minutes more than the rest.

    There is value in the middle section, as it will open peoples eyes to the powers than run this place. Indeed, it's not very encouraging to see, but it's better to face it head on than bury one's head in the sand. That way one can make more educated decisions.

    Regarding the end, free energy would solve a lot of problems. It's not the only answer, education is paramount, as are many other factors (equality especially), but it's a start.

    A relevant quote from the late Jack Layton.

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    When lots of people start thinking this way, solutions will bubble to the surface. This guy doesn't have all the answers, nor does anyone. It will be the combination of minds working together that bring real positive change. And for that to happen, it takes hope, optimism and action. Something far too many are quick to opt out of.
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    I want all students to know the material presented in the middle. But, they made it sooooo depressing, which isn't love, hope, or optimism. So they failed those three ingredients.

    Free energy is an aspiring goal. In the film, it had wheels, IMO, it was promoting my desires and optimism. Then they came crashing down on me with brainwashing of their own kind.
    And the final thirty minutes was a representation of what they had explained earlier in the film as "an army of self regulating individuals". They were actually reinforcing the ideas that they set out to make us aware of. And I think that is what zenmaster is talking about when he mentioned:

    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, let's get people in an uproar about being denied suppressed technology instead of having them think for themselves, for a change. The entitlement mentality is ridiculous and seems to apply to everything within one's imagination.

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    11-18-2011, 10:35 AM
    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I don't think that's what is meant at all. They are saying the conditions which cause the current choices to be made are part of the potential which the overall social complex has provided at this time - down to every last person. The "craft" or "free energy" is allegory for the type of development required for self - that is the "embodiment" of the transcendent function. Why it holds fascination and even numinosity for so many. In other words, the ability to choose is the choice. That is what opens the gates.

    Really? You think Ra was speaking allegorically? I think they were being quite literal. The technology we possess is "capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues [our] social memory complex" but it is being withheld because of "the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy."

    It is, of course, true, that each needs to choose. But Ra said that wanderers incarnated, in part, in order to increase leisure time (through technological means) in order that people could contemplate the Law of One in conscious fashion.

    Maybe you think that was a misguided goal? (Unity100 often argued so.) But to say that the "craft" are allegory for self-development seems unsupported in the Ra material. The craft, or similar, are used by fourth- and early fifth-density entities that have not mastered travel by thought. They could be quite helpful here now.
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    11-18-2011, 11:06 AM
    (11-18-2011, 10:08 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I want all students to know the material presented in the middle. But, they made it sooooo depressing, which isn't love, hope, or optimism. So they failed those three ingredients.

    True, although it is hard to convey such a controlling structure in a positive light (to the masses, not as catalyst).

    They did start and end on positive notes in my opinion, which of course is an entirely subjective statement :¬)

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    11-18-2011, 11:18 AM
    Monkey, it IS depressing. they didn't make it. and they are talking about freedom. aka libertarianism.

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    11-18-2011, 11:21 AM
    (11-18-2011, 10:35 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:
    (11-17-2011, 10:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I don't think that's what is meant at all. They are saying the conditions which cause the current choices to be made are part of the potential which the overall social complex has provided at this time - down to every last person. The "craft" or "free energy" is allegory for the type of development required for self - that is the "embodiment" of the transcendent function. Why it holds fascination and even numinosity for so many. In other words, the ability to choose is the choice. That is what opens the gates.

    Really? You think Ra was speaking allegorically? I think they were being quite literal. The technology we possess is "capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues [our] social memory complex" but it is being withheld because of "the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy."

    It is, of course, true, that each needs to choose. But Ra said that wanderers incarnated, in part, in order to increase leisure time (through technological means) in order that people could contemplate the Law of One in conscious fashion.

    Maybe you think that was a misguided goal? (Unity100 often argued so.) But to say that the "craft" are allegory for self-development seems unsupported in the Ra material. The craft, or similar, are used by fourth- and early fifth-density entities that have not mastered travel by thought. They could be quite helpful here now.

    I definitely agree...unless the entirety of the Ra material is allegory, then this particular passage is clearly not.
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    (11-18-2011, 11:18 AM)Oceania Wrote: Monkey, it IS depressing. they didn't make it. and they are talking about freedom. aka libertarianism.

    The movie made it depressing. They made it, filmed it, and edited it in a particular story telling fashion to make it depressing. The reason being to persuade viewers down the path which they wanted to lead us down.

    I don't care about why they did it that way. I'm only saying that is what they did. I don't see it as activism. For me, it was ultimately fear based. And, in my opinion, the actual practical result is not the picture they paint.

    Based on this movie we have a huge powerhouse acting on the entire world. Part of its power is supposedly derived by creating an army of persons that regulate one another by holding one another to a set of desires dictated from the powerhouse. The conclusion is that we should hold one another to a standard set by the desires of the persons making the video, and that by doing this we will defeat the powerhouse. .... I know how to spot a losing team when I see one.


    That being said, I could watch the first thirty minutes many times. It alone was inspiring.

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