Ra's Adventures in Wonderland

[Tenet Nosce]

As I read the Ra Material, it's certainly possible (and necessary) to choose polarities. For instance, "The hopeful result is, as you say, the original choice of polarity."

I am truly enjoying this discussion. Thanks for being here.

But we cannot continue if you keep using words attached to a definition which implicitly supports your own view. That is circular reasoning. If you want to keep debating, we need noncircular definitions of terms. I understand this might be difficult.

Take a closer look at the quote you used. It says, "the original choice of polarity". That means, to choose polarization. Polarization or nonpolarization. That is the choice at this point. But it is not "The Choice" itself, merely the prelude to "The Choice".

It does NOT mean, as you are saying, to choose between the positive and negative path of polarization. You are reading that into the quote.

I also agree with Patrick that "Ra stated that entities can and do change their polarities." Example, "The further an entity has, what you would call, polarized, the more easily this entity may change polarity, for the more power and awareness the entity will have."

You and Patrick are both assuming that a certain idea or notion is true, which I am calling into question. Then, in order to "prove" your point, you are simply restating your position over and over again. Then, when I demonstrate that the material does not say what you think it says, you just repeat your interpretation again. This won't get us anywhere.

What I am saying is that "The Choice" becomes available as a result of polarization. Polarization is what makes "The Choice" possible. Can you find anything in the material to refute this notion? Because I couldn't find it.

Look here:

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of polarity is to develop the potential to do work. This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say, experiments which have evolved since the concept of The Choice was appreciated. Work is done far more efficiently and with greater purity, intensity, and variety by the voluntary searching of mind/body/spirit complexes for the lessons of third and fourth densities. The action of fifth density is, viewed in space/time, the same with or without polarity. However, viewed in time/space, the experiences of wisdom are greatly enlarged and deepened due, again, to the voluntary nature of polarized mind/body/spirit action.

What this means is that polarization results in free will. The more we polarize, the more free will we acquire. (Or should I say reacquire?) If we acquire ENOUGH free will, we may, indeed choose to switch paths of polarization. But that is not "The Choice".

What the material DOES NOT say is that switching polarities results in a loss of the polarization (or free will) thus far acquired. If one switches polarities, they do NOT have to start over at the beginning. You know the material probably better than anybody else. Does it say this?

This misunderstanding is exactly why it is a "surprising" result to so many that an entity is more likely to switch polarities once highly polarized, rather than earlier on in their journey. If you understand what Ra is saying, there is no surprise with this result. It makes perfect sense.

However, Tenet, I do think you make a good point that the archetype of The Choice may well have more to do with choosing to polarize than with choosing a polarity.

Thank you! So, other than the fact that accepting this point might mean abandoning a long-held notion which has sort of become dogma- if I may use that word- do you actually have a problem with the point itself? Can you think of any quotes which refute this point?

After all, we can tell ourselves that we mean to be positive (or negative), but unless we actually polarize in one direction or the other we won't be harvestable.

βαθμιαίος, I'm fairly sure you have polarized on the positive path. Perhaps even gained enough polarity to be able to switch! But you are exactly right, if we don't polarize we are not harvestable.

What does this mean? Think about it closely. Because according to the schema you are positing, and which has become generally accepted, our free will is gradually reduced from the moment we embark down a path of polarity, to the point that we are harvested.

Besides not making much sense, this is not what the material says. To the contrary, it says we incrementally acquire free will through the process of polarization. Once we become polarized enough, we make contact with that which is not polarized. This is called intelligent infinity. Just like if a magnet gets polarized enough, it will attract a nonpolarized piece of metal from across the room.

Upon contact with intelligent infinity, our free will becomes fully actualized. This is represented to us by "The Choice". And once we make "The Choice" it matters not by which path we polarized. Thus,

There are patent differences between the polarities but no difference whatsoever in the completion of the knowledge of the self necessary to accomplish this discipline.

Surely, at the very least, you must agree that the amount of free will available to us upon contact with intelligent infinity is much GREATER than when we begin down a path of polarization. No?

I think your understanding of free will may be different than mine. But I'm curious, what is the negative seed you're thinking of?

It's just the inherent bias present in the personality. On the other side of the veil, we have the soul which "programs" the life to be experienced. On this side of the veil, we are the ones thus programmed. This is not free will, but the antithesis of it. If we wish to acquire free will, we must grow in awareness of "Who We Are", i.e. polarize. If we become sufficiently polarized, then we might be able to start writing our own script. But not until then.