Ra's Adventures in Wonderland

[Tenet Nosce]

TN, I hope you aren't basing most of your argument refuting the Choice of 3D being polarity on 1.6. You can't really take that tiny bite size quote out of 1.6 without considering the context of the question and the rest of the reply. That, is impossible of course:

Of course it is impossible. As you pointed out, those quotes don't say anything about it. My whole thrust of discussion here is about avoiding reading things into the material that aren't there. What these quotes DO talk about is polarity.

I already copy-and-pasted our discussion from The Choice thread. I also previously provided a link to the quotes about The Choice, and discussed some of it directly. But here they are, one by one, for your convenience.

But please, take the time to read these, along with my comments about them. I am taking the time to do this because I know you are a true seeker.

Questioner: Third density, then, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, is nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is for the purpose of this choice.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

Don says: Third density... is for the purpose of this choice.
Ra says: This is precisely correct.

Ra then says: The prelude to The Choice must encompass:

1. The laying of foundation.
2. The establishment of the illusion.
3. The viability of that which can be made spiritually viable.

Therefore, the paths of polarization are the prelude to The Choice. Then we make The Choice, upon contact with intelligent infinity, at the end of third density. Then the remainder of the densities is the refinement of The Choice.

Ra then says that The Choice is:

A. The work of a moment.
B. The axis upon which Creation turns.

Questioner: That is correct. I am asking with respect to this particular sub-Logos, our sun.

Ra: I am Ra. This query has substance. We shall begin by turning to an observation of a series of concept complexes of which you are familiar as the tarot.

The philosophy was to create a foundation, first of mind, then of body, and then of spiritual complex. Those concept complexes you call the tarot lie then in three groups of seven: the mind cycle, one through seven; the physical complex cycle, eight through fourteen; the spiritual complex cycle, fifteen through twenty-one. The last concept complex may best be termed The Choice.

Upon the foundation of transformation of each complex, with free will guided by the root concepts offered in these cycles, the Logos offered this density the basic architecture of a building and constructing and synthesizing of data culminating in The Choice.

Third density experience (represented by the 21 Archetypes) is the laying of the foundation, culminating in the last concept complex in Archetype 22- The Choice.

Questioner: Then to condense your statement, I see it meaning that there are seven basic philosophical foundations for mental experience, seven for bodily, seven for spiritual, and that these produce the polarization that we experience sometime during the third-density cycle. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct in that you perceive the content of our prior statement with accuracy. You are incorrect in that you have no mention of the, shall we say, location of all of these concept complexes; that is, they exist within the roots of the mind and it is from this resource that their guiding influence and leitmotifs may be traced. You may further note that each foundation is itself not single but a complex of concepts. Furthermore, there are relationships betwixt mind, body, and spirit of the same location in octave, for instance: one, eight, fifteen, and relationships within each octave which are helpful in the pursuit of The Choice by the mind/body/spirit complex. The Logos under which these foundations stand is one of free will. Thusly the foundations may be seen to have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex. [c]Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single[/c].

Ra says, Don is correct in that the 21 archetypes produce polarization, and are a complex of concepts. But he is incorrect as to their location.

Ra then adds: Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single. If it is single, that means it is not happening again and again.

Questioner: Then I am probably having a problem with the concept of time since it appears that the Logos was aware of the polarization choice. It seems that this choice for polarization at the end of third density is an important philosophical plan for the experience past third density. Am I correct in assuming that this process is a process to create the proper or desired experience that will take place in the creation after third density is complete?

Ra: I am Ra. These philosophical foundations are those of third density. Above this density there remains the recognition of the architecture of the Logos but without the veils which are so integral a part of the process of making the choice in third density.

The Choice occurs at the end of third density.

Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

Ra says: This is incorrect. Yet so many take Don's incorrect view and claim it as truth. Pretty bizarre, if you ask me.

Questioner: What I am really attempting to understand, since all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty-second which is The Choice, is why this choice is so important, why the Logos seems to put so much emphasis on this choice, and what function this choice of polarity has, precisely, in the evolution or the experience of that which is created by the Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density. The higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in this choice.

Again: The 21 archetypes result in the 22nd, which is The Choice. Polarization is necessary for harvestability, but the higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in The Choice which occurs at the end of third density.

Again: Don's notion of "intense polarization past third density" is incorrect, according to Ra.

Questioner: You stated previously that The Choice is made in this third-density and is the axis upon which the creation turns. Could you expand on your reason for making that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a statement of the nature of creation as we speak to you.

There is no new information from this quote.

Questioner: This is a hard question to ask, but what is the value experientially of the formation of positive and negative social memory complexes, of the separation of the polarities at that point rather than the allowing for the mixing of mind/body/spirit complexes of opposite polarity in the higher densities?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of polarity is to develop the potential to do work. This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say, experiments which have evolved since the concept of The Choice was appreciated. Work is done far more efficiently and with greater purity, intensity, and variety by the voluntary searching of mind/body/spirit complexes for the lessons of third and fourth densities. The action of fifth density is, viewed in space/time, the same with or without polarity. However, viewed in time/space, the experiences of wisdom are greatly enlarged and deepened due, again, to the voluntary nature of polarized mind/body/spirit action.

Polarity existed before The Choice was appreciated. Therefore, how could The Choice equate to a decision between polarities? Makes no sense.

Questioner: I’m sorry for getting confused on my question here in not asking it correctly. There is a philosophical point of central importance that I am trying to clear up here. It has to do with the fact that fourth-density negative seems to be aware of the first distortion. They are in a nonveiled condition, and they seem to use this knowledge of the first distortion to maintain the situation that they maintain in contacts with this planet. I am trying to extract their ability to understand the mechanism of the first distortion and the consequences of the veiling process and still remain in a mental configuration of separation on the negative path. I hope that I have made myself clear there. I have had a hard time asking this question.

Ra: I am Ra. The answer may still not satisfy the questioner. We ask that you pursue it until you are satisfied. The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness.

Ra says: The Choice becomes available to each at third-density harvest.

Questioner: I will also assume, and I may not be correct, that the present list that I have of twenty-two names of the tarot cards of the Major Arcana are not in exact agreement with Ra’s original generation of the tarot. Could you describe the original tarot, first telling me if there were twenty-two archetypes? That must have been the same. Were they the same as the list that I read to you in a previous session or were there differences?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have stated previously, each archetype is a concept complex and may be viewed not only by individuals but by those of the same racial and planetary influences in unique ways. Therefore, it is not informative to reconstruct the rather minor differences in descriptive terms between the tarot used by us and that used by those of Egypt and the spiritual descendants of those first students of this system of study.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

So... Ra polarized without being aware of the unifying archetype, number 22, The Choice. Again, if The Choice is making a decision between polarities, how is this possible? Answer: It's not possible.

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According to my limited perception, some others appear to be very attached to the notion of Archetype 22 - The Choice being identified with the decision about which path to polarize upon. I am very confused by this seeming attachment by my other-selves. Clearly, I have yet much to learn.

Do we feel somehow threatened by this? Are egos getting in the way because we have been passing misinformation around, and so would have to admit to ourselves that we were incorrect? I must say I am utterly confused by all the resistance I have encountered here.

There are two different concepts here. One is the decision of which path to polarize upon. The other is The Choice- which occurs at the end of third density.

Not only does Ra specifically say three times that it occurs at the end of third-density, but nowhere in the material does Ra associate The Choice with the decision between paths of polarization.

In addition to this, we are given an image of Archetype 22 - The Choice, in which there is no symbolism (that I can discern) about choosing between polarities. If anything, there is a suggestion of a harmonization of them as symbolized by the sun and moon forming the vesica pisces.

Finally, Ra put Archetype 22 - The Choice at the end of the deck. This is because it occurs at the end of third density, as they said three times, in plain-as-day English.

My forum friends, I really do appreciate your thoughts and opinions. And I am grateful for this opportunity for discussion. But I am truly bewildered and confused by the stubborn persistence in reading things into the material that just aren't there, and then feeling the need to defend these misconceptions and throw more shadows about the room whenever they are discussed.

Nobody is threatening you, least of all me. The only reason I came across this understanding is because I, too, recognized that I was confused. And when I went back to the material looking for the quotes to support my confused view, I was quite surprised to see that they weren't actually there and that my mind had projected certain ideas into the material. Other ideas came from L/L, and have sort of become canonized by students of the material, even though L/L themselves have rather stepped away from certain interpretations. This is really bizarre, and frankly reminds me of what goes on in many churches.

But what surprises me even more is that, where I have attempted to share this discovery with other students of the material, I have been met with such unbelievable resistance.

Despite all the mountains of evidence I have provided to support my view, there are those who persist in saying it is incorrect. This despite the fact that nobody has been thus far able to produce any evidence for the alternative view.

Again I would ask, please show me where in the image given of Archetype 22- The Choice do students see the decision between the positive and negative paths of polarization?

"Resonating" with something is great. But still one should be able to point to that something they feel resonant to. Reading a view into the material, or into a picture, that literally is not present is projection, i.e. distortion. Not resonance.

If we really are so sure in our view, then why not go back and look for the evidence to support it? Otherwise, we go on believing in certain illusions, simply because others agree. I know this because I used to agree with the others, and then when I went and looked for the evidence, I found out for myself that I was wrong.

In the end, it matters not. As Ra said, they were successfully harvested from third density with having no real understanding of The Choice, whatsoever. When The Choice comes upon us, we will know. And then we will make The Choice.

There's just really nothing else to be said here, for my part. As I previously suggested, once on the other side of the veil we can all meet up and compare notes if we like. For now, I bid you all good day, and a bountiful harvest.