11-02-2012, 05:24 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-02-2012, 05:25 PM by JustLikeYou.)
Oh, hello. I suppose it's time to respond.
Likewise. But it is going to happen anyway.
This is not a faithful representation of the quote (77.12), though the error is easy to make. Ra emphasizes more than once in Book IV that the Archetypes are not to be identified with experience that we have of those Archetypes. In this case, you have interpreted the foundation (the Archetypical Mind) as culminating in another Archetype (22), rather than an experience which is described by that Archetype. The entirety of the Archetypical Mind is the foundation, for this must be in place before the illusion is established. In other words, The Choice, as Ra has confirmed, is part of the Logoic plan. The concept complex of The Choice describes the culmination of the experience of 3D, but it, itself, is not that culmination.
In the context of that quotation, Ra defines what the word “single” means: “each foundation is itself not single but a complex of concepts...the foundations may be seen have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex” (77.13). Thus, “single” does not refer to the recurrence or non-recurrence of the experience of Archetype 22; rather, it refers to the simplicity of the Archetype.
Ra also says: “[T]he possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others... marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness” (30.1). (Note that Ra was the one who introduced the word “choice,” which did not appear in the question.)
I find it appropriate to bring in a piece of tangential information.
27.13
In this passage, Ra draws a distinction between the Second Distortion, Love, and the fourth density vibration, love. Yet in this very same passage, Ra describes the vibrational densities as recapitulating in reverse the creation in its unity. If the two are distinct, how can they also be spoken of as the same? The key here is that love is a microcosm of Love. That is, the fourth vibrational density is a holographic reflection of the Second Distortion on a lower arc.
This same thought-process can be applied to The Choice. It is evident throughout the Ra Material that the purpose of 3D is to choose either positive or negative and then step into 4D where work exclusively within one of these polarities can then begin. To argue otherwise flies in the face of the whole of the work. Your emphasis on The Choice occurring at the end of third density seems to lose track of this simple common-sense message within the Ra Material. I do not disagree with you that the choice is offered at harvest – how can I, you have a quote to support it. However, I do disagree with you that this is the only interpretation of the word. I would suggest that the Choice offered at Harvest is the macrocosm, whereas the choice in each and every moment (STS or STO) is the microcosm. If you attend to each Archetype, you will see that each has macrocosms and microcosms. In the grandest macrocosm, the Archetype is always a singular experience. Archetype 20, for example, can be seen in macrocosm as representing the Harvest itself. 22 ought not to be seen as any different in this sense.
First, Ra was aware of the archetype, but they were not aware of its significance.
Second, it is quite possible to make a choice without realizing that you had a choice. The unawakened do this on a regular basis. Before the veiling, service to others was always chosen because it was not realized that there was an alternative. After the veiling, the alternative, which always existed, became known as an alternative. Ra's experience is a microcosm of this grander picture.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:My whole thrust of discussion here is about avoiding reading things into the material that aren't there.
Likewise. But it is going to happen anyway.
Quote:Third density experience (represented by the 21 Archetypes) is the laying of the foundation, culminating in the last concept complex in Archetype 22- The Choice.
This is not a faithful representation of the quote (77.12), though the error is easy to make. Ra emphasizes more than once in Book IV that the Archetypes are not to be identified with experience that we have of those Archetypes. In this case, you have interpreted the foundation (the Archetypical Mind) as culminating in another Archetype (22), rather than an experience which is described by that Archetype. The entirety of the Archetypical Mind is the foundation, for this must be in place before the illusion is established. In other words, The Choice, as Ra has confirmed, is part of the Logoic plan. The concept complex of The Choice describes the culmination of the experience of 3D, but it, itself, is not that culmination.
Quote:The Choice, is relatively fixed and single. If it is single, that means it is not happening again and again.
In the context of that quotation, Ra defines what the word “single” means: “each foundation is itself not single but a complex of concepts...the foundations may be seen have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex” (77.13). Thus, “single” does not refer to the recurrence or non-recurrence of the experience of Archetype 22; rather, it refers to the simplicity of the Archetype.
Quote:Ra says: The Choice becomes available to each at third-density harvest.
Ra also says: “[T]he possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others... marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness” (30.1). (Note that Ra was the one who introduced the word “choice,” which did not appear in the question.)
I find it appropriate to bring in a piece of tangential information.
27.13
Ra Wrote:The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.
In this passage, Ra draws a distinction between the Second Distortion, Love, and the fourth density vibration, love. Yet in this very same passage, Ra describes the vibrational densities as recapitulating in reverse the creation in its unity. If the two are distinct, how can they also be spoken of as the same? The key here is that love is a microcosm of Love. That is, the fourth vibrational density is a holographic reflection of the Second Distortion on a lower arc.
This same thought-process can be applied to The Choice. It is evident throughout the Ra Material that the purpose of 3D is to choose either positive or negative and then step into 4D where work exclusively within one of these polarities can then begin. To argue otherwise flies in the face of the whole of the work. Your emphasis on The Choice occurring at the end of third density seems to lose track of this simple common-sense message within the Ra Material. I do not disagree with you that the choice is offered at harvest – how can I, you have a quote to support it. However, I do disagree with you that this is the only interpretation of the word. I would suggest that the Choice offered at Harvest is the macrocosm, whereas the choice in each and every moment (STS or STO) is the microcosm. If you attend to each Archetype, you will see that each has macrocosms and microcosms. In the grandest macrocosm, the Archetype is always a singular experience. Archetype 20, for example, can be seen in macrocosm as representing the Harvest itself. 22 ought not to be seen as any different in this sense.
Quote:So... Ra polarized without being aware of the unifying archetype, number 22, The Choice. Again, if The Choice is making a decision between polarities, how is this possible? Answer: It's not possible.
First, Ra was aware of the archetype, but they were not aware of its significance.
Second, it is quite possible to make a choice without realizing that you had a choice. The unawakened do this on a regular basis. Before the veiling, service to others was always chosen because it was not realized that there was an alternative. After the veiling, the alternative, which always existed, became known as an alternative. Ra's experience is a microcosm of this grander picture.