04-15-2013, 11:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-16-2013, 12:27 AM by Adonai One.)
Meh. Forgive me. It seems I misunderstood your post. I think we are in agreement. Feel free to engage in the words below.
So you don't believe there can be any positive service towards the creator through defense or preservation of what is loved if it entails harm or death towards another? Do you believe the killing of an animal to prevent starvation in a group of people is mostly STS?
I see destruction as a defining point of our creation. We actively destroy and then create with our every breathe, thought and movement. Great destruction only becomes oh-so very clear when death is brought to our concious minds. Despite all the destruction and removals we make whether it be a change of habit or thought, we still leave a net gain in service towards our creator. Cannot the same apply to our societies? Death can be viewed as unfortunate but can it not be accepted as a part of nature especially in the direction of positive creation?
Additionally, it's very clear Ra is referring to "bellicose actions" which one may define as violence. Ra is not refering to one abstaining from war or helping others through various services during war but engaging in it out of love. So, if you kill combatants to prevent them from setting your village on fire, you are likely still polarized towards the positive although polarity might be lost in any hate you feel for those whom are attacking you. Despite that hate, your core intention puts you in the positive or at least in a unpolarized state.
I think it's important to remember that in order to further creation and to maximize the experience for the creator we must not only be compassionate but apply that compassion effectively and competently.
Martyrdom is often seen as an ultimate act of compassion. Martyrdom such as dying in a war in refusal to participate in violence in defense of oneself might be loving but it is often not wise, for greater service can often be made after self-preservation.
Love alone does not give us the power to be of greater service to the creator. Again, we need wisdom to apply it effectively and to do service effectively, with great power.
(04-15-2013, 11:08 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: ...
So you don't believe there can be any positive service towards the creator through defense or preservation of what is loved if it entails harm or death towards another? Do you believe the killing of an animal to prevent starvation in a group of people is mostly STS?
I see destruction as a defining point of our creation. We actively destroy and then create with our every breathe, thought and movement. Great destruction only becomes oh-so very clear when death is brought to our concious minds. Despite all the destruction and removals we make whether it be a change of habit or thought, we still leave a net gain in service towards our creator. Cannot the same apply to our societies? Death can be viewed as unfortunate but can it not be accepted as a part of nature especially in the direction of positive creation?
Quote:Finally, one may polarize very strongly [fourth ray] by expressing the principle of universal love at the total expense of any distortion towards involvement in bellicose actions.
Additionally, it's very clear Ra is referring to "bellicose actions" which one may define as violence. Ra is not refering to one abstaining from war or helping others through various services during war but engaging in it out of love. So, if you kill combatants to prevent them from setting your village on fire, you are likely still polarized towards the positive although polarity might be lost in any hate you feel for those whom are attacking you. Despite that hate, your core intention puts you in the positive or at least in a unpolarized state.
I think it's important to remember that in order to further creation and to maximize the experience for the creator we must not only be compassionate but apply that compassion effectively and competently.
Martyrdom is often seen as an ultimate act of compassion. Martyrdom such as dying in a war in refusal to participate in violence in defense of oneself might be loving but it is often not wise, for greater service can often be made after self-preservation.
Love alone does not give us the power to be of greater service to the creator. Again, we need wisdom to apply it effectively and to do service effectively, with great power.