03-04-2010, 02:54 PM
Lavazza, Biu, & Irpsit,
Thank you for your kind words and I am glad that some of what I wrote resonated with you. This forum is a great, supportive place indeed.
Perhaps. Or perhaps this issue, like so many others, is not a simple one and indeed has many layers and facets, power and misuse of power being only one (albeit) valid element.
This was exactly what I meant earlier about women not always understanding men's reactions to visual stimulus because they do not function in the same way. It is certainly easier to claim "it's just a cop-out" if you are not subject to the same biological functions. I would like to believe that these sexual issues are multi-layered and complex. That said, I agree with Lavazza that you must take responsibility for your actions and cannot use any mere biological "wiring" issue as an excuse for avoiding responsibility for bad behavior.
Rape and objectification of women does indeed happen in those other cultures with different modes of dress, which indicates that those issues are universal and not due solely to visual stimulus. However, that does not mean that the primal male reaction to visual sexual stimulus is not relevant, especially if you want to have a better understanding of men and the predicament we find ourselves in in Western culture with its constant parade and barrage of suggestive images.
I'm sorry if my comments moved the conversation in an "exculpatory" direction. My only intent was to expand awareness and share my perspective. I really don't think any of the posters in this thread believe male wiring is an excuse for porn addiction or mistreatment of women, only that it is part of the puzzle for why these problems are so difficult to deal with.
Perhaps I should continue to use these forums as a way to better understand the STO path from others without speaking as much. There is great wisdom in silence, but somehow I manage to forget that.
Thanks
Thank you for your kind words and I am glad that some of what I wrote resonated with you. This forum is a great, supportive place indeed.
Quote:This is a typical male response to feminine energy--- And what of the cultures where women are wearing the chadorah... or in cultures where every one is naked--- Rape and subjectation and objectifying of women still occurs... boys--- you miss the point this is about power and the misuse of power. Claiming that you are victims of your anatomy is a cop-out.
Perhaps. Or perhaps this issue, like so many others, is not a simple one and indeed has many layers and facets, power and misuse of power being only one (albeit) valid element.
This was exactly what I meant earlier about women not always understanding men's reactions to visual stimulus because they do not function in the same way. It is certainly easier to claim "it's just a cop-out" if you are not subject to the same biological functions. I would like to believe that these sexual issues are multi-layered and complex. That said, I agree with Lavazza that you must take responsibility for your actions and cannot use any mere biological "wiring" issue as an excuse for avoiding responsibility for bad behavior.
Rape and objectification of women does indeed happen in those other cultures with different modes of dress, which indicates that those issues are universal and not due solely to visual stimulus. However, that does not mean that the primal male reaction to visual sexual stimulus is not relevant, especially if you want to have a better understanding of men and the predicament we find ourselves in in Western culture with its constant parade and barrage of suggestive images.
I'm sorry if my comments moved the conversation in an "exculpatory" direction. My only intent was to expand awareness and share my perspective. I really don't think any of the posters in this thread believe male wiring is an excuse for porn addiction or mistreatment of women, only that it is part of the puzzle for why these problems are so difficult to deal with.
Perhaps I should continue to use these forums as a way to better understand the STO path from others without speaking as much. There is great wisdom in silence, but somehow I manage to forget that.
Thanks