(04-17-2009, 01:24 PM)ubergud Wrote: I do not think vegetarianism is a 'preferred' lifestyle, but in reading the LOO material as relates to food, as entities progress through densities it seems that one's perspective on and relationship to food changes:
Quote:Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
Questioner: The mechanism of, shall we say, social catalyst due to a necessity for feeding the body then is active in fourth-density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. The catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. This is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.
Wow, there it is, right there!!! Living foodstuff!
I knew intuitively, when I read the Essene Gospel of Peace and Survival into the 21st Century nearly 30 years ago (before I'd read the Law of One), that raw, living, vegan foods were the foods of higher consciousness. It just made perfect sense to me. This quote by Ra confirms it in my mind.
Notice that Ra did not say being a vegetarian was a prerequisite for graduation to 4D! So it's not appropriate to have a 'holier than thou' attitude if we are vegetarians. The way I see it, this is an ideal to aspire to. But Ra did make it clear that the food of 4D is living food.
How could this include meat, then? It can't. It must mean plant food. I invite everyone to investigate the raw vegan lifestyle. It's a movement, and it's gaining momentum. Why are these pioneers promoting this diet? Could it be that they are paving the way for us to become acquainted with the 4D diet?
(04-17-2009, 01:24 PM)ubergud Wrote:Quote:Questioner: Could you expand a little bit on how that aids in the teach/learning of patience?
Ra: I am Ra. To stop the functioning of service-to-others long enough to ingest foodstuffs is to invoke patience.
Questioner: I’m guessing that it is not necessary to ingest foodstuffs in fifth-density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. However, the vehicle needs food which may be prepared by thought.
Questioner: What type of food would this be?
Ra: I am Ra. You would call this type of food, nectar or ambrosia, or a light broth of golden white hue.
Questioner: What is the purpose of ingesting food in fifth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat central point. The purpose of space/time is the increase in catalytic action appropriate to the density. One of the preconditions for space/time existence is some form of body complex. Such a body complex must be fueled in some way.
Questioner: In third density the fueling of our bodily complex is not only simply fueling of the bodily complex but gives us opportunities to learn service. In fourth density it not only fuels the complex but gives us opportunities to learn patience. In fifth density it fuels the complex but does it teach?
Ra: I am Ra. In fifth density it is comfort for those of like mind gathered together to share in this broth, thus becoming one in light and wisdom while joining hearts and hands in physical activity. Thus in this density it becomes a solace rather than a catalyst for learning.
Questioner: I am simply trying to trace the evolution of this catalyst that then, as you say, changes in fifth density. I might as well complete this and ask if there is any ingestion of food in sixth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, the nature of this food is that of light and is impossible to describe to you in any meaningful way as regards the thrust of your query.
So I wonder if vegetarianism/veganism/et. al. are offered as experiences in terms of entities recognizing (possibly both consciously and unconsciously at the same time) this shift in perspective on and relationship to food as earth moves into 4th density.
Jason
Jason, I think that's very perceptive. Let's look at the quotes you just provided. Ra states that the food of 4D is living, and the food of 6D is light based. That sounds like a logical progression. In light of that, gravitating towards more plant-based foods makes sense to me, as part of one's spiritual path, and founded on Law of One principles.
(03-27-2010, 12:20 PM)transiten Wrote: The vegan movement is rather strong in Sweden and many young don't wear leathershoes and jackets. What kind of clothes do you wear in this respect?
Leather is a by-product of the meat industry, so I consider it more important to try to get to the root of the issue - meat. If people quit eating meat, there will be less leather as a result. Nevertheless, I avoid leather. There are now many alternatives to leather. When I first became a vegetarian, it was virtually impossible to find any decent shoes that weren't leather, but the selection has gotten much better now. I do still have some leather shoes and purses which have been in my closet for many years. Those cows are long dead. But when I buy something new, I look for non-leather alternatives. Finding good non-leather shoes can be challenging, but much easier now with the internet. It's easy to find good non-leather purses and jackets.
I consider fur to be worse than leather, since those animals are killed specifically for their fur, rather than it being a by-product. And, fur coats are usually luxury items, so I see absolutely no justification for wearing fur coats. Modern apparel made of synthetics are warmer and less expensive than fur.
(03-27-2010, 12:20 PM)transiten Wrote: Or could one wait until the animals die a natural death?
I wouldn't have a problem with that, but that doesn't sound very practical. I don't have all the answers. Modern society that depends so much on factory farming has disrupted the natural balance. It will take some strategy to restore the balance once people quit eating animals. But I don't see that happening overnight, so hopefully solutions will manifest as the changes are made.
I don't have any issues with eggs, milk, and wool products if the animals are allowed the freedom to live normal lives, and aren't killed or injected with hormones or other drugs. Same with honey: There is a vast difference between local beekeepers who love and respect their bees, vs the commercial bee colonies. I once had a very long conversation with a local beekeeper who told me that the small beekeepers don't have any problems with disappearing bees, but that it was the commercial beekeepers who were losing their bees. I found that very interesting.
Admittedly, I'm not a purist. Some of my vegan friends would be judgmental towards me for not being 100% vegan. But most vegetarians/vegans I know all agree that avoiding meat is the most important thing. We can all agree on that, and some choose to take it further and avoid all animal products completely. That is actually impossible to do, though, since animal by-products are used in many things, such as car tires.