(08-09-2013, 07:42 PM)Turtle Wrote: I'm saying that according to various channeled sources who I personally judge to be accurate enough for me to bother learning from, our planet is right now, officially past the marker and is 4th density.It really can't be" 4th density" until something is made from the vibrations through the planetary mind which is able to resonate at 4th density vibrations. There may be vibrational support for thought, but without development of that thought in the planetary mind - the planet is still 3D. The vast majority of dwellers are feeding into that planetary mind a demand for 3D catalyst of the typical orange and yellow ray variety, and so that is the logos we have provided ourselves to work with at the moment. We have a lot of collective work to do yet, as even "awakened" is not yet 4D compatible and only a sign of new interior awareness available at a 3D subdensity short of the end of the spectrum.
(08-11-2013, 02:13 PM)rie Wrote:(08-11-2013, 05:34 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:(08-10-2013, 11:42 PM)rie Wrote: This is kind of another system of understanding but it's interesting that ken wilber thinks we are on the edge of entering into the second tier of development (for humanity) where we go into another valuing meme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtUhEOYNQU It sort of is compatible w/ the idea of harvest time/space changes.
Would the 2nd tier be considered 4th density or an upper level of 3rd in relation to his system, I think in regards to past the 2nd tier he said it is simply not in our minds yet we can't receive the vibration necessary. So perhaps in relation to his system the 2nd tier could simply be the upper triad being accessed within a sub-density.
We can perceive the two stages of development in the 2nd tier e.g., yellow/turquoise (bc I think wilber thinks he's there in 2nd tier with his integral theory where he goes beyond 'pluralism' to seeing things systemically). Yeah, I think it's possible that the 2nd tier is upper levels within sub-density. And it's interesting to think that there could be an 'isomorphic shift', whereby when certain % of population is in the next subdensity and able to perceive things differently and have different types of lessons, all other subdensities could benefit from it.
The densities are vibrational range of energy. The memes are identifications of values associated with thought which is supported by sub-vibrational ranges within that density. So thought does not equal subdensity, it is a rough indication of how subdensity energy was used by the collective mind to create a framework of thought. 2nd-tier is like "3D+" and given enough time, would eventually allow SMC formation.