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    Thread: Traps of Enlightenment - A Good Zen-Themed Lecture


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    09-11-2013, 10:12 AM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2013, 10:23 AM by native.)
    plenum - All good points. I had that quote in mind when writing this thread, and my thoughts are also based on experience. Ra's comments on natural and man-made intelligence have always interested me. From my own experience, what I see around me, and also in spiritual groups, when people begin waking up there is the urge to bring others up to your understanding, rather than empathizing as you say. Knowledge can be tricky because the more of it you gain, the more so-called fallacy you're able to see around you, which can support feelings of separation in the sense that others aren't where you are in terms of understanding. But those are absurd thoughts, because we aren't born awake. So when we encounter someone who is so-called uninformed, rather than realizing we're encountering what we could call a past aspect of self, seeing the unity, we only see separation and attempt to guide others too much, without keeping in mind that much of our own learning was sought out by ourselves rather than having guiding figures pointing out our mistakes (excluding parents Tongue).

    So man-made intelligence seems to be a reference to this quickness of mind and the intellect attempting to rationalize situations, rather than thinking with the heart so to speak. You made similar points, but I wanted to make the point about how the mind creates separation. I've also theorized that when Ra mentions learning about natural laws, that they're simply referring to learning about the patterns of mind, body, and spirit in terms of our interactions with each other.

    "The gate to intelligent infinity can only be opened when an understanding of the in-streamings of intelligent energy are opened unto the healer. These are the so-called Natural Laws of your local space/time continuum and its web of electromagnetic sources or nexi of in-streaming energy."

    So you could view each person as a source of energy, and we collectively make up a web on its surface which has a natural rhythm (Love/Light). In our spiritual infancy, everything is rather chaotic and doesn't make much sense. As one develops compassion and understanding, while also seeking out spiritual understandings, we're tuning into that natural rhythm, the expression of this Logos. I like to think of it as a web of energy around Earth that has a certain pattern which moves and flows. Initially our perceptions embody a pattern that doesn't match up with the natural pattern. As we progress, the two begin to align, able to channel intelligent energy with little distortion. So this requires getting yourself out of the way, allowing the other to express themselves, to feel and think what they like, rather than attempting to control experience too much.

    "The precision with which each energy center matches the Original Thought lies not in the systematic placement of each energy nexus but rather in the fluid and plastic placement of the balanced blending of these energy centers in such a way that intelligent energy is able to channel itself with minimal distortion."

    zenmaster - Yes I see that. Enlightenment doesn't necessarily have a purpose beyond freeing your own self, or in the sense that it has no function other than paving the way for direct experience, but that state of consciousness is apparently a service which serves a purpose metaphysically. "..thus making contact with intelligent infinity and dissolving all illusions. Service-to-others is automatic at the released energy generated by this state of consciousness." I know what you're trying to say though.

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    Traps of Enlightenment - A Good Zen-Themed Lecture - by native - 09-10-2013, 10:34 AM
    RE: A Good Zen-Themed Lecture - by Plenum - 09-10-2013, 11:13 AM
    RE: A Good Zen-Themed Lecture - by zenmaster - 09-10-2013, 10:14 PM
    RE: A Good Zen-Themed Lecture - by native - 09-11-2013, 10:12 AM

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